man concealed carries at city hall, is asked to leave, whole town shows up concealed.

[zanejohnson]

carrying in his support..

for the gun nutters, thought it was pretty cool, this gun thing is really taking off in our country.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKpLhNiC8zg

http://www.examiner.com/article/armed-citizens-force-officials-to-back-down

 

[Doppel]

I enjoyed watching that council man walk out after trying to power trip and getting his ass handed to him by the rest of the council, what a little bitch.

 

[waggy]

I enjoyed watching that council man walk out after trying to power trip and getting his ass handed to him by the rest of the council, what a little bitch.

lol.

it would have been better if nobody secondend the motion

 

[Tiamat]

"One citizen told the council that if the fact that citizens who are merely exercising their right to keep and bear arms intimidates city officials, then they need to look within to determine why the rights of the people are so intimidating to them."

Founding fathers would be proud. Right to assembly, free speech, bear arms doing exactly what they are supposes to do.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

That's awesome. I loved how that councilman's ass was handed to him. He had no legal basis to force his personal agenda and the council did the proper thing and congratulated the citizen for upholding his rights backed him while calling out the two councilmen troublemakers. May they walk out of government forever.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Oh, and maybe that mayor should run for President. He sounds mindful of citizen rights. That is a rare thing these days.

 

[Murloc]

well it's stupid indeed, municipal "laws" shouldn't go against the state laws. If city officials are uncomfortable with CCW, they have to push to change the laws at state level through their parties/representatives.
Since they can't do that because the consensus is in the opposite direction, they have to deal with it.
This guy is not accepting a democratic decision and that's not someone you want in charge.

Oh, and maybe that mayor should run for President. He sounds mindful of citizen rights. That is a rare thing these days.

he isn't much good at speaking and the way he reiterated his point gave me bad feels that he was just spinning it to jump on the coming bandwagon (great foresight though).

 

[Wreckem]

I am glad Texas has rational CCW laws and allow cities to disallow CCW in public meetings by posting proper signage. CCW holders violating can be prosecuted and have their CCW permanently revoked.

Texas also disallows CCW in any building that houses court facilities, not just the areas of the building that house them.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

he isn't much good at speaking and the way he reiterated his point gave me bad feels that he was just spinning it to jump on the coming bandwagon (great foresight though).

It's impossible to know of course, but at least he didn't have a fit and cry about his rights being violated. He's not good looking and it wasn't a polished speech, however perhaps that's what we need, someone who represents us who got to high office in spite of not winning a beauty pagent. Remember too that this was a town meeting and hardly likely to be broadcast, so the teleprompter and speech writers were not present. Many of not all of the greatest leaders of old wouldn't have gone beyond town level because they weren't attractive looking "cool" people.

 

[zanejohnson]

I am glad Texas has rational CCW laws and allow cities to disallow CCW in public meetings by posting proper signage. CCW holders violating can be prosecuted and have their CCW permanently revoked.

Texas also disallows CCW in any building that houses court facilities, not just the areas of the building that house them.

i'm not trying to go all gun nutty, i'm actually for stricter gun laws, and some bans..

but, technically, wouldn't that be unconstitutional?

edit: i guess it's along the same lines as how marijuana is federally illegal, but 27 states now have medical pot i believe.. edit 2: nevermind it's 18 states and DC with legal pot, with 10 more awaiting legislature.

 

[Wreckem]

i'm not trying to go all gun nutty, i'm actually for stricter gun laws, and some bans..

but, technically, wouldn't that be unconstitutional?

No. Constitutional rights aren't unfettered, which gun nuts seem to forget. Texas has allowed the banning of CCW to public meetings since we have allowed CCW, prior to 2003 you couldn't CCW on any property owned by a political subdivision(more or less).

Also in Texas a CCW holder better be damn sure their gun is properly concealed or they can be arrested and charged for open carry.

Even if Texas allowed people to carry into public meetings what the guy in the OP did would still be illegal under Texas law.

Like I said, thank god that Texas has rational laws as it pertains to the carrying guns. Texas does it right. Its a shall issue CCW state that disallows open carry and puts reasonable restrictions on where a person can carry concealed.

 

[zanejohnson]

No. Constitutional rights aren't unfettered, which gun nuts seem to forget. Texas has allowed the banning of CCW to public meetings since we have allowed CCW, prior to 2003 you couldn't CCW on public property(more or less).

thanks for clearing that up, and honestly that's logical.. peoples emotions get heated in court, no place for concealed carry..

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

thanks for clearing that up, and honestly that's logical.. peoples emotions get heated in court, no place for concealed carry..

That would be a reasonable restriction, however state law supersedes local in most cases. If the state were to wish it could change things easily. The council attorney clearly felt there was no legally restrictive argument for removing the citizen though.

It would be interesting if some people got together and agreed to go to council perhaps on a rotating basis and announce they have a gun so the dick, er excuse me, puss, er... objecting councilman would have the opportunity to leave every session

 

[Wreckem]

That would be a reasonable restriction, however state law supersedes local in most cases. If the state were to wish it could change things easily. The council attorney clearly felt there was no legally restrictive argument for removing the citizen though.

It would be interesting if some people got together and agreed to go to council perhaps on a rotating basis and announce they have a gun so the dick, er excuse me, puss, er... objecting councilman would have the opportunity to leave every session

That would just lead to the State Legislature to pass something similar to Texas and ban CCW at public meetings.

 

[waggy]

damn zane. is t his really you? you seem..logical and sane.

 

[zanejohnson]

damn zane. is t his really you? you seem..logical and sane.

i'm having a good day i woke up with no alarm with the sun just coming up... had a moment of clarity, and just in a good state of mind today

 

[Nebor]

I am glad Texas has rational CCW laws and allow cities to disallow CCW in public meetings by posting proper signage. CCW holders violating can be prosecuted and have their CCW permanently revoked.

Texas also disallows CCW in any building that houses court facilities, not just the areas of the building that house them.

Government buildings (aside from those outlined as off limits in the statute) are no longer allowed to post 30.06 signs prohibiting concealed carry. IIRC that happened almost 5 years ago. If it's paid for by the taxpayer, then the taxpayer has a right to carry their concealed firearm there, generally speaking in the state of Texas.

ETA: Certain government-owned or government-leased buildings cannot post 30.06 signage. If a government building is not a prohibited premises by any other statute, and 46.03 and 46.035 do not specifically allow (or require) that government building to post 30.06 signage in order to prohibit carry, any 30.06 signage posted on the building is non-binding per TPC 30.06(e).

Certain specific types of buildings used to be prohibited with or without signage, such as meetings of government entities, churches, and amusement parks. These places are currently required to post compliant signage in order to prohibit carry. (but if they are paid for with .gov money, they're not allowed to.)

 

[waggy]

i'm having a good day i woke up with no alarm with the sun just coming up... had a moment of clarity, and just in a good state of mind today

well i take it back. anyone that want's beans in chili has to be nuts

 

[zanejohnson]

well i take it back. anyone that want's beans in chili has to be nuts

lol! i think maybe i'll pick up things to make a chili tonight, with beans of course!! maybe even two kinds of beans!

 

[Jaskalas]

It's impossible to know of course, but at least he didn't have a fit and cry about his rights being violated. He's not good looking and it wasn't a polished speech, however perhaps that's what we need, someone who represents us who got to high office in spite of not winning a beauty pagent. Remember too that this was a town meeting and hardly likely to be broadcast, so the teleprompter and speech writers were not present. Many of not all of the greatest leaders of old wouldn't have gone beyond town level because they weren't attractive looking "cool" people.

How do we stop America from being American Idol if that is what the voters want?

 

[NoStateofMind]

Oh, and maybe that mayor should run for President. He sounds mindful of citizen rights. That is a rare thing these days.

No that won't work. He'll be "unelectable" or "batshit crazy" or whatever fad name they come up with. Yeah its a reference to the treatment of Ron Paul but the same discontent from longstanding partisan politics will behold anyone coming from common sense and respect for the law.

 

[Thump553]

Anyone that attends any sort of town or city meetings knows that every town has at least one flakey nutjob that shows up regularly and rants and raves. A year or two back one of them slaughtered most of the town council in the midwest, IIRC.

Personally I think town/city meetings should be gun free zones, much as courtrooms are, for pretty much the same reasons. But why let sanity or logic interfere with gun lovers' fantasies?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

How do we stop America from being American Idol if that is what the voters want?

You can't. The best you can do is educational reform which places less emphasis on glamour than substance. I'd favor a class (at say high school level) which tears apart the substance of arguments that are taken for granted and analyzed for merit. Instead of focusing on a cult of personality, focus on what that personality wants, how it goes about it, if it represents us as a people, etc. Critical political thinking without choosing something as good or bad, but things which are, and learn more about why that is.

That would be a local and state issue, something more grass roots. How to implement?

Get involved at the local school level. That took 2 seconds to think up. If others spent more time I'm sure there would be other good potential solutions.

Substance over fashion.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Anyone that attends any sort of town or city meetings knows that every town has at least one flakey nutjob that shows up regularly and rants and raves. A year or two back one of them slaughtered most of the town council in the midwest, IIRC.

Personally I think town/city meetings should be gun free zones, much as courtrooms are, for pretty much the same reasons. But why let sanity or logic interfere with gun lovers' fantasies?

Then have the law reflect that consideration.

Answer me this- In the absence of legal objection and a genuine threat, what possible legitimate reason did the councilman demand the removal of the citizen or his rights? Since he was clearly in no danger, why should his pouting override his obligation willingly taken, be cast aside and he leave his position of responsibility? He had a cow, not an argument.

 

[NoStateofMind]

How do we stop America from being American Idol if that is what the voters want?

Of course then again voters don't know any different....

They've never been given a true candidate who regards law as the rule of the land. The ones who do that are vilified and can hardly stand up to the next politician offering "free" money in some way or endorsing a current standing social program. So over time all we get is people who are "electable" which really means the one's willing to "play ball".