Man Calls Suicide Prevention Hotline, SWAT Team Shows Up and Kills Him

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John Connor

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Lucky for me my mom took me to a hospital when I was in a dark place. First time I spent three days at the mental health hospital. Second time was seven long ass days.

I felt sorry for this college girl I met there. From what I gather she had issues with people and everyone giving her shit. Then you had the cryers. Crazy, they would cry and then laugh. It's an illness I can't think of the name of at the moment.
 
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brianmanahan

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people who are threatening to kill themselves should understand what they are getting into. if they don't, well, they WERE asking for it.

if the guy really wanted help, he shouldn't have started a standoff.
 
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bradley

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If this isn't an example of the militarization of police, sending paramilitary soldiers to cartoonishly escalate a situation involving someone allegedly without a criminal record, I don't know what is.

Another crazy story from 2006...

Drug Raids: Atlanta Police Kill Woman, 92, Who Shot Invading Officers
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2006/nov/24/drug_raids_atlanta_police_kill_w

Three undercover Atlanta police officers who kicked in the door of an elderly Atlanta woman to serve a no-knock search warrant for drugs were shot and wounded when the woman opened fire on the intruders. They returned fire, killing 92-year-old Kathryn Johnston inside her home.

Friends, neighbors, and relatives of the woman described her as a long-term neighborhood resident who was feeble and frightened, rarely letting even friends and neighbors enter her home, which she kept locked. She apparently opened fire as the police raiders broke through burglar bars on her front door. Johnson fired five shots from a revolver, wounding the three officers before she was killed by two shots to the chest.

As anger and concern grew in the community, Atlanta police worked urgently to explain and justify the killing. During a Wednesday press conference, Assistant Police Chief Alan Dreher said police had purchased drugs from an unknown man earlier in the day at the Johnston residence and returned the same evening with a no-knock search warrant. That man was not found, but police said they found an unspecified amount of an unspecified controlled substance inside the home. Police originally said they knocked and announced their presence before entering the home, but that is now in doubt.

"It was a very tragic and unfortunate incident," said Assistant Chief Dreher, who added that Johnston was not suspected of selling drugs and that police knew nothing about her.

He got no argument from local activist the Rev. Markell Hutchins on that point. "This is one of the most tragic cases of police-involved use of force, not only in Atlanta, but in the nation," said Hutchins, who had counseled the family, and set up a meeting with a law firm. "It appears Mrs. Johnston was a model citizen. A good citizen and a matriarch of the community," he told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

BTW, in 2010, the family won a 4.9M settlement in this case. Three SWAT officers were found guilty of conspiring to present false information in order to obtain the warrant and then plant marijuana in the basement of this 92-year old woman's home. They also allowed this elderly woman to bleed to death before calling paramedics.
 
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MarkXIX

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Seems like he might have been brown in color....

I've dealt with suidical people before as a cop. You take the risk as part of the job. My two direct experiences both resolved themselves through sitting down with these people, one-on-one and talking things out and getting them help.

In this case though, sounds like the guy called in with a gun and what do they do, surround him with guns and itchy trigger fingers apparently. This is tragic on all fronts, no doubt about it.
 

clamum

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Not quite sure why they didn't send a mental health expert or team (or whatever the fuck you call them) along with the officers. Seems logical that they'd be the ones talking to the guy. Unfortunate end but I wish there were more details, who knows what happened exactly.
 

Sonikku

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The team should have his families gratitude. Because he was killed, he could still go to heaven. But if he had done the deed himself it's suicide, which is a mortal sin. He would go to hell for sure.
 

Rakehellion

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if the guy really wanted help, he shouldn't have started a standoff.

People with mental health issues don't think rationally. If you're trying to kill yourself then clearly you don't give a fuck.

Police are not trained mental health professionals.
 

MarkXIX

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Not quite sure why they didn't send a mental health expert or team (or whatever the fuck you call them) along with the officers. Seems logical that they'd be the ones talking to the guy. Unfortunate end but I wish there were more details, who knows what happened exactly.

I know why, because many of these departments have all this gear now and other than training, which is probably underfunded anyway, this is the only time they get to "man up" and throw all their shit on and do something with it. They need to be severely penalized for using SWAT in this manner. Management needs reprimanded or fired, officers need re-trained, and maybe some of their SWAT gear needs to be re-looked and removed where necessary.

There's no reason why they can't have someone on staff trained in suicide intervention and give them some military grade body armor, a helmet, and their pistol to defend themselves. Then, put a few more guys covertly in overwatch position and just TALK TO THIS PERSON.

Hell, the two times I went in to deal with suicidal Soldiers, I went in with nothing more than my law enforcement body armor and my partner standing just inside the door frame with his pistol drawn and held behind his shooting hip just in case. You dehumanize these people and back them into a corner with overwhelming force.
 

SunnyD

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How about, "Hey, we'll just be hanging out here in your front lawn. If you want to come out and talk, it's cool. Just don't have any weapons or anything in your hands otherwise we'll probably shoot you. On the other hand, if you really do want to die, you can save us all the trouble and just off yourself now. But it'd really be a shame."
 

waggy

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I know why, because many of these departments have all this gear now and other than training, which is probably underfunded anyway, this is the only time they get to "man up" and throw all their shit on and do something with it. They need to be severely penalized for using SWAT in this manner. Management needs reprimanded or fired, officers need re-trained, and maybe some of their SWAT gear needs to be re-looked and removed where necessary.

There's no reason why they can't have someone on staff trained in suicide intervention and give them some military grade body armor, a helmet, and their pistol to defend themselves. Then, put a few more guys covertly in overwatch position and just TALK TO THIS PERSON.

Hell, the two times I went in to deal with suicidal Soldiers, I went in with nothing more than my law enforcement body armor and my partner standing just inside the door frame with his pistol drawn and held behind his shooting hip just in case. You dehumanize these people and back them into a corner with overwhelming force.

that's what i was thinking.

Why would they send in a swat team? how was that going to help in any way?
 

rudeguy

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I know why, because many of these departments have all this gear now and other than training, which is probably underfunded anyway, this is the only time they get to "man up" and throw all their shit on and do something with it. They need to be severely penalized for using SWAT in this manner. Management needs reprimanded or fired, officers need re-trained, and maybe some of their SWAT gear needs to be re-looked and removed where necessary.

There's no reason why they can't have someone on staff trained in suicide intervention and give them some military grade body armor, a helmet, and their pistol to defend themselves. Then, put a few more guys covertly in overwatch position and just TALK TO THIS PERSON.

Hell, the two times I went in to deal with suicidal Soldiers, I went in with nothing more than my law enforcement body armor and my partner standing just inside the door frame with his pistol drawn and held behind his shooting hip just in case. You dehumanize these people and back them into a corner with overwhelming force.

You have to remember how police are trained now: citizens are their enemy. All citizens are out to kill all cops. Their life is in constant danger and they must do whatever is necessary to stop the threat. So they get sent to a call like this and they go in with the biggest guns they have. Their only goal is "to go home at night". If they have to kill a citizen or two, so be it.

The police are no longer out there to help us. That stopped a very long time ago. Now they are either revenue generators or they are out to stop threats. That's it.
 

KeithTalent

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I have not read the article, so this could be an extremely sad story, but reading the thread title really made me laugh.

KT
 

mizzou

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You have to remember how police are trained now: citizens are their enemy. All citizens are out to kill all cops. Their life is in constant danger and they must do whatever is necessary to stop the threat. So they get sent to a call like this and they go in with the biggest guns they have. Their only goal is "to go home at night". If they have to kill a citizen or two, so be it.

The police are no longer out there to help us. That stopped a very long time ago. Now they are either revenue generators or they are out to stop threats. That's it.

I can make your tinfoil hat for you if you forgot yours.


If the police are not out there to help us, I wonder why people still call them? Very interesting :colbert:
 

Grooveriding

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I've met a few guys through a friend of mine that are in the ETF (SWAT) for our police here. Obviously I don't know all of them, but these three were exactly what you'd expect. Adrenaline junky, hyper aggressive guys that look like they take steroids with every meal. These are the last guys you'd want to show up when someone is having some sort of emotional issue.
 

mizzou

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I've met a few guys through a friend of mine that are in the ETF (SWAT) for our police here. Obviously I don't know all of them, but these three were exactly what you'd expect. Adrenaline junky, hyper aggressive guys that look like they take steroids with every meal. These are the last guys you'd want to show up when someone is having some sort of emotional issue.

I don't know, if I had to talk to a guy who had a gun or knife and threatened to kill himself or anyone else who tried to help him...I'd want those guys with me.

And yes...typically the SWAT guys are like that because that's the nature of the job....and granted just because they love to go to the gym and look like WWE Superstars does not mean they are any less intelligent than anyone else.
 
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rudeguy

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I can make your tinfoil hat for you if you forgot yours.


If the police are not out there to help us, I wonder why people still call them? Very interesting :colbert:

I don't know why people bother either. I can't think of any reason I would ever call a cop.
 

Scarpozzi

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More beam weapons. More flamethrowers.

People will still want to make other people dead. We've just gotten good at making tools and machines which make the process much more efficient.

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