Pliablemoose
Lifer
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I literally can't believe some of the responses to this.
I personally don't like Hummers but because I'm not a fan of poorly engineered vehicles.
Moonie, taking a Hummer to task while owning a Cadillac is hypocritical, and not only that but if you own 2 cars, you've used up the resources for 2 vehicles, and by your logic, that's not justifiable either.
And that asthmatic child is far more likely to be affected by coal fired power plants or indoor pollution, poorly designed HVAC systems in schools, diesel trucks with higher particulate emissions etc.
<--grateful I live in Texas where we can shoot assholes like those vandals.
sigh
Cue smug alert sirens...
I personally don't like Hummers but because I'm not a fan of poorly engineered vehicles.
Moonie, taking a Hummer to task while owning a Cadillac is hypocritical, and not only that but if you own 2 cars, you've used up the resources for 2 vehicles, and by your logic, that's not justifiable either.
And that asthmatic child is far more likely to be affected by coal fired power plants or indoor pollution, poorly designed HVAC systems in schools, diesel trucks with higher particulate emissions etc.
<--grateful I live in Texas where we can shoot assholes like those vandals.
sigh
Cue smug alert sirens...
maybe instead of beating up someones vehicle they should get off their asses and do something that will be productive and perhaps put them in a position where they can have the kind of money to afford a hummer if they so choose.
It's not about being fed up with the rich, its about being fed up with your own inadequacies and instead of taking the harder path of working on yourself and making yourself better, taking the easy path to knock those around you that are better off and in the case of these morons destroying something that is not theirs.
AnitaPeterson
Diamond Member
- Apr 24, 2001
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... says someone who can come up with such brilliant posts:
You're either a hypocrite, or, in case you actually DO the stuff you preach, you're one sick, twisted individual.
Your choice to make.
Now, don't you wish you'd kept your mouth shut?
*edit* BTW, I will freely admit entertaining the same kind of fantasies about taking a bat to a couple of Hummers and other such monstrous vehicles!
Fair enough, but under this "law of the jungle" bullshit you guys seem to like so much, if someone CAN get away with destroying your truck, more power to them as well...right? I mean, they have as much right to commit vandalism as you do to commit murder...
This is why we have laws, Rambo, so idiots can't destroy your personal property and you can't go around killing people who piss you off.
adairusmc
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No, they do not have a right to commit vandalism, but I do have a RIGHT to defend myself if I percieve a threat. If someone is vandalizing my truck, then I would "be in fear for my life".
The truth is, I consider the lint off of my clothes to be more valuable than the lives of every person I have ever met, so you can imagine how I would feel about my truck.
I just have to do everything in my power to make sure I will catch anyone that would do such a thing to my property. Then I can be "in fear for my life" and eliminate the threat.
Being a psychopath is not a valid defense for murder. You do have a right to defend yourself, that does not mean you can just pretend that's what you're doing and go around killing anyone you don't like. Otherwise, following your logic, *I* could say I'm "in fear for my life" because I drive a small car and SUVs present a threat to my safety on the road, and therefore be "justified" in wrecking your truck. And for that matter, since you'll probably by ANOTHER truck to replace it, I should probably just kill you to be sure you don't present a danger to me on the road.
Now, am I the only person who thinks that doesn't make sense?
Pliablemoose
Lifer
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All I can say is I'd stay far far away from Texas, we can literally shoot people for this shit and never be charged.
ProfJohn
Lifer
- Jul 28, 2006
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Does anyone else find it humorous that people on a computer web site would complain about how much gas/energy someone else uses?
How many us have multiple computers, multiple monitors, the fastest graphic cards money can buy etc etc etc any idea how much more energy you are using compared to the ?typical? computer user?
How many us have multiple computers, multiple monitors, the fastest graphic cards money can buy etc etc etc any idea how much more energy you are using compared to the ?typical? computer user?
Pliablemoose
Lifer
- Oct 11, 1999
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But that's ok, because society forces to make those choices. Meat grows in the back rooms of grocery stores, and no coal was burned for the electricity used in this post.
You know like Moonie & his Caddy, and his Honda.
In my first post, I think it was, I said the people want higher mpg cars but the lobbyist prevent such laws being passed. Now you can legitimately argue that's our fault too, but my point is that the will of the people is frustrated in our society and is not being expressed. That is a recipe for violence, in my opinion.Originally posted by: bamacre
True to a point. But it is not so much their fault. They sell only what we will buy. If people stop buying Hummers, they won't try to sell them. If we demand better fuel efficiency, they will sell them, and we'll buy them. I think this trend is already beginning.Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I get about 31 highway and about 23 around town and use it normally once a week for long trip. And you will note, please, that I only asked a question. I didn't say the fate of the asthmatic was any more a concern to me than the guy in the Hummer. For my local needs I drive a Honda Civic.Originally posted by: Vic
IIRC, Moonie drives a Cadillac. Walkin' that talk, now ain't he?Originally posted by: bamacre
And what kind of car and gas mileage do you get, Moonbeam?
I think my main point is that we are trapped as a people by the structure of the society we built. We are economic prisoners of the auto and gasoline companies. We have to drive to work and work to drive. So the rat race, the pollution, and the meaningless robotic life are driving us all insane. We want out but are totally frustrated. It may mean a few Hummers will have to die.
The last car I bought was a Civic as well. Plus I work at home. I haven't hit 15K miles on it in the 2.5 years I've owned it.
bamacre
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I just don't think we will get to that point. Unless, somehow the lobbyist get laws passed that further hurt foreign car imports. American car companies have recently seen that they are losing sales to foreign cars that get better gas mileage. And both of us being Civic owners, are a prime example of this affect. I guess what I am thinking, or at least hoping, is that our wallets will talk louder than any laws. Sure there will be people who wish to own big, low mpg vehicles, but the fewer of those people, the more expensive those vehicles will cost, due to production costs. I would rather see capitalism and economics work, rather than forced laws which would favor lobbyists anyway. So far, I think its working, slowly but surely.Originally posted by: Moonbeam
In my first post, I think it was, I said the people want higher mpg cars but the lobbyist prevent such laws being passed. Now you can legitimately argue that's our fault too, but my point is that the will of the people is frustrated in our society and is not being expressed. That is a recipe for violence, in my opinion.Originally posted by: bamacre
True to a point. But it is not so much their fault. They sell only what we will buy. If people stop buying Hummers, they won't try to sell them. If we demand better fuel efficiency, they will sell them, and we'll buy them. I think this trend is already beginning.Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I get about 31 highway and about 23 around town and use it normally once a week for long trip. And you will note, please, that I only asked a question. I didn't say the fate of the asthmatic was any more a concern to me than the guy in the Hummer. For my local needs I drive a Honda Civic.Originally posted by: Vic
IIRC, Moonie drives a Cadillac. Walkin' that talk, now ain't he?Originally posted by: bamacre
And what kind of car and gas mileage do you get, Moonbeam?
I think my main point is that we are trapped as a people by the structure of the society we built. We are economic prisoners of the auto and gasoline companies. We have to drive to work and work to drive. So the rat race, the pollution, and the meaningless robotic life are driving us all insane. We want out but are totally frustrated. It may mean a few Hummers will have to die.
The last car I bought was a Civic as well. Plus I work at home. I haven't hit 15K miles on it in the 2.5 years I've owned it.
BoomerD
No Lifer
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What I thought was ludicrous was back in 03, (when Bushie's war first started) people were buying Hummers and claimed they were "relating to the troops" who drove the REAL "Hmmv's"...
http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2004/07/06/war-x-4/
"During the Iraq war, the New York Times reported that men in the US were buying Hummers (the biggest 4×4s) for ?patriotic reasons?: the troops in Iraq were using the same vehicles."
http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2004/07/06/war-x-4/
"During the Iraq war, the New York Times reported that men in the US were buying Hummers (the biggest 4×4s) for ?patriotic reasons?: the troops in Iraq were using the same vehicles."
Um, I thought the point was that all these vandals managed to accomplish was
1) Pissing a guy off to the point where he thinks anybody who says the words "global warming" is a nutcase that destroys other peoples property
2) Actually having a net negative effect on the environment because the guy only has the 2 options mentioned
Bottom line, whoever did this picked the wrong way to get their point across to this guy.
Nebor
Lifer
- Jun 24, 2003
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In 25 states, Castle Doctrine allows one to treat their car as their home, and thus defend the prying or intrusion of such as a direct threat on their life.
I know eve before we had Castle Doctrine in Texas, there was a man in Arlington, Texas who saw 4 teenagers stealing the wheels off his car, stepped outside with an AR15, and killed all 4 of them. He was never charged.
If you fuck with other peoples' property, don't be suprised if you end up dead.
WhipperSnapper
Lifer
- Oct 30, 2004
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This brings back memories of the South Park episode titled "Smug" where hybrid drivers were felt so smug and superior for driving hybrid vehicles, they loved the smell of their own farts and would bend over in public to sniff them.
Reminds me of the story of the Zen master, who, returning to his hut found thieves stealing his only possession, a rice bowl. He said, "Too bad I can't give them this moon."
Pliablemoose
Lifer
- Oct 11, 1999
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I suspect the Zen master didn't have his rice bowl financed for the next 6 years or live in is mother's hut. :evil:
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