TerryMathews
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- Oct 9, 1999
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Where I live (Ohio), it could be up to 6 months incarceration and up to $1000 fine. So $525 plus no time seems like a relative bargain.
Normally I have precious little sympathy for thieves. But it's hard to me to think of someone taking an unpaid refill as a thief. Such an action is technically theft, but given that the vast majority of restaurants with accessible soda machines offer free refills, it's very hard for me to condemn this guy because he is basically behaving within accepted norms.
One could make the exact same argument over pirating Windows yet we frown on that here correct?
Technical theft is still theft. They had a promiscuous sign posted. Shame on him for not abiding by the T&C.
I never figured you for the authoritarian type. Goes to show how so many preconceptions are just wrong, wrong, wrong.
But I cannot argue your point. He's a perp and has to pay the consequences.
One could make the exact same argument over pirating Windows yet we frown on that here correct?
Technical theft is still theft. They had a promiscuous sign posted. Shame on him for not abiding by the T&C.
I read a study a decade or so back about the cost of soda in theaters. At that time, it cost a theater six cents to put a large Coke in your hands. The largest portion was by far the cup at five cents. Given that they have removed most of the labor and he had already paid for the cup, we're probably talking about a penny or so worth of product. Literally a 50,000% fine over what presumably everyone agrees was an honest mistake.I don't think you can box me into a "type". If you go and review my posts you'll see a consistent theme.
Our Constitution, and our laws are our social contract with the government. Both we and the government need to abide by them both in law and in spirit. When we don't, the law becomes a tool to be used against the unpopular and political enemies. This has happened again and again throughout history.
I personally don't think he should be paying a 3 digit fine over $0.30 worth of soda. However, that is the law. If it is unjust it should be changed.
I believe the way justice currently works in this country is a joke.
Agreed, and it was a reasonable (though in this case wrong) assumption.There is a clear difference between an intentional act and an accidental one. Most laws acknowledge this by requiring mens rea--a guilty mind--for an act to be criminal. Lack of intent means lack of a crime.
This guy was charged under state code 16-13-110, which requires "intention of depriving the merchant of the possession, use, or benefit of the merchandise without paying the full retail value." If the victim's story is true, he believed that he had paid for the merchandise, and likely could have successfully argued his lack of intent in court. In any case, the situation should have been handled by asking him to pay the cashier for the illicit refill.
(Also, you probably meant prominent, not promiscuous, although the thought of a slutty sign is pretty funny. Bitten by spell check?)
I think the issue here is that he didn't notice the sign and reasonably assumed that, like 99%+ of restaurants with self-service drink machines, refills were free. A similar "crime" would be putting out a stack of napkins with a sign stating "$1 each". But yes, simply asking him to pay (after pointing out the sign) or barring him from the restaurant would have made a lot more sense.It hurts my head to think that someone thought that this was worth litigating.
"The posted signage states that we don't offer free refills."
>if "Okay" and payment
Thank you, please come again.
>if "What? No way!"
Please don't come back.
You never fail to disappoint.
You have to admit though, zero tolerance for certain transgressions is childish.
The man was not only fined but apparently lost his job over an issue which could easily have been handled with few friendly casual words and a laugh instead of what's going to amount to at least dozens of lawyer-hours and taxpayer dollars.
But hey, this is P&N. Why the heck am I trying to be rational about it.
