Man accused of slapping baby, calling him a "n*****" on plane loses job

[JM Aggie08]

The words 'slap' and 'baby' just look funny together.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

He should be charged with a hate crime.

Everyone that believes in race is a racist.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

if it started only on descent, he probably got that angry just because he's an uncontrolled drunkard while normal people don't unless it goes on and on all night, and even then you don't scold other people's kids if their parents are already trying to fix it, period, and in an airplane the parents are the first victims of the noise so there's no need to even think about it at all unless the kid is kicking your seat and they say nothing. Besides, this was a 2 hours 30 minutes flight according to google, so there's no reason to get angry at all even if he began crying the time they got on the plane. Just use in-ear headphones for 2 hours and you're fine.


Also how is that baby black?

Less reflective.

 

[SagaLore]

Babies on planes are fucking annoying therefore drunken racism is 100% excusable.

wow what a white trash piece of shit.

I'll just pretend the latter was a response to the former.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

I'll just pretend the latter was a response to the former.

Because there is no sarcasm in the land of make believe?

 

[swanysto]

Sorry, are we talking about the man or the kid?

I am assuming the man by the phrase "live out the rest of his days".

 

[mugs]

Dumbest shit ever.

Anything bad I could cocievably do to another human being would be motivated by hate. As it is with most all violent crime.

/facepalm

There are a lot of motives for crimes. Greed it a pretty common one.

 

[phucheneh]

I'll just pretend the latter was a response to the former.

My sarcasm was admittedly about as dry as the Atacama. But I thought it was fairly obvious, especially since I've been vocal in the cop threads. Granted, I don't have a funny/strange avatar or type in any strange, cryptic way, so I may be hard to recognize.

I was mocking the attitude of 'who cares if a cop initiated a physical altercation and then beat the shit out of someone (while also probably threatening to prosecute the victim for assaulting an officer)...'

Their reasoning being, of course, 'dude, that guy/girl that got beat up totally looked/acted like a douche.'

My 100% serious feelings on this particular matter: Yes, I hate babies on planes. No, I'm not racist. But I don't give even a quarter of a shit about the 'n-word;' just prosecute the guy for what he did (assault a child).

/facepalm

There are a lot of motives for crimes. Greed it a pretty common one.

Never heard of someone getting hung from a tree because of greed. Murdered or assaulted because of greed? Yep. Guess what they get charged with? Murder or assault. Being a piece of shit takes many forms; singling out someone for being racist is no different from singling someone out for any other despicable trait they may have. Criminal prosecution should be 'equal opportunity.'

 

[mugs]

Never heard of someone getting hung from a tree because of greed. Murdered or assaulted because of greed? Yep. Guess what they get charged with? Murder or assault. Being a piece of shit takes many forms; singling out someone for being racist is no different from singling someone out for any other despicable trait they may have. Criminal prosecution should be 'equal opportunity.'

You said:

Anything bad I could cocievably do to another human being would be motivated by hate.

That is what I replied to.

Obviously you meant:

There are some bad things I could cocievably do to another human being which would be motivated by hate.

But I don't see the relevance of that to the conversation.


You were obviously trying to attack hate crime laws with the tired and fallacious argument that all crimes are hate crimes. Just accept that you put no thought into that argument and it made you look stupid (you may actually be stupid, I've only noticed a few of your posts here and didn't think highly of any of them).

 

[Exterous]

If a baby is crying and won't stop, you can bet there is no one on the plane more miserable than the parents.

In my experience you have way to much faith in parents today. Its not rare for me to see parents that just dont give a shit on planes. My last trip to CA there was a 2-3 year (assuming because under 2 would get to be a lap baby) old standing on his seat screaming while mommy read a magazine.

That is not to say that this was, in any way, justified - just that I have seen a lot of lazy parents in my travels

 

[IronWing]

I have a great idea for an awesome whack-a-mole type game.

 

[airdata]

Come on guys, give Spidey's dad a break here.

 

[Puppies04]

I am assuming the man by the phrase "live out the rest of his days".

The baby was male also.

 

[phucheneh]

You said:



That is what I replied to.

Obviously you meant:



But I don't see the relevance of that to the conversation.


You were obviously trying to attack hate crime laws with the tired and fallacious argument that all crimes are hate crimes. Just accept that you put no thought into that argument and it made you look stupid (you may actually be stupid, I've only noticed a few of your posts here and didn't think highly of any of them).

No, I meant exactly what I said. If I was motivated to harm someone, it would most assuredly be in anger. Anger is strongly related to hate. They're both emotions; not philosophies.

Quit trying to redefine 'hate' so that you can justify prosecuting crimes based on how they make you feel rather than the actual crime perpetrated.

P.S. I think you're the one that sounds like a dumbass. That's obviously what you meant to say about me, but you apparently think your passive aggression is somehow sly and clever.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

this may be the start of a backlash against all these white people adopting black kids

 

[waggy]

this may be the start of a backlash against all these white people adopting black kids

you are right. we should leave those little black babies in foster care instead of giving them loving homes.
:hmm:

 

[NFS4]

this may be the start of a backlash against all these white people adopting black kids

Da hell? What does one have to do with the other?

Secondly, why should it matter who adopts a kid as long as he/she is going to a loving home?

 

[SphinxnihpS]

You said:



That is what I replied to.

Obviously you meant:



But I don't see the relevance of that to the conversation.


You were obviously trying to attack hate crime laws with the tired and fallacious argument that all crimes are hate crimes. Just accept that you put no thought into that argument and it made you look stupid (you may actually be stupid, I've only noticed a few of your posts here and didn't think highly of any of them).

If I batter or murder you because I don't like the way you looked at me, or I batter or murder you because I don't like the light-scattering properties of your skin, or your choice of dates, makes no difference to the harm you suffer.

I thought it was quite obvious that this was the argument he was making, not whatever cockamamie bullshit you assumed.

It's simply a method of criminalizing thought, but don't worry, the thought police will never come for you. You will always be right.

 

[dud]

The old guy just acted out ... doing what many of us who travel way too much wish we could do. Violence is no answer but on a recent flight to SLC I (and at least 2 dozen other fliers) wish we could have done the same thing to the parents of these kids.

 

[preslove]

If I batter or murder you because I don't like the way you looked at me, or I batter or murder you because I don't like the light-scattering properties of your skin, or your choice of dates, makes no difference to the harm you suffer.

I thought it was quite obvious that this was the argument he was making, not whatever cockamamie bullshit you assumed.

For the individuals, sure, but for society at large? Nope. Racial violence was essential to keeping blacks from challenging Jim Crowe. It was also how reconstruction was defeated in the first place.

It's simply a method of criminalizing thought, but don't worry, the thought police will never come for you. You will always be right.

Derp derp derp.

 

[phucheneh]

If I batter or murder you because I don't like the way you looked at me, or I batter or murder you because I don't like the light-scattering properties of your skin, or your choice of dates, makes no difference to the harm you suffer.

I thought it was quite obvious that this was the argument he was making, not whatever cockamamie bullshit you assumed.

It's simply a method of criminalizing thought, but don't worry, the thought police will never come for you. You will always be right.

Yep.

I wasn't the one who brought up 'hate crime.' I just...called it stupid. In the context of the story in the original post, there are, according to some, two different crimes that the man could be charged with.

He assaulted a fucking baby.

He called the baby a name.

Do we really need to add the second one? Or up the severity of punishment for the first because of it? I would think 'got drunk and smacked an infant around' really doesn't need any further substantiation via verbal comments.

 

[AstroManLuca]

If I batter or murder you because I don't like the way you looked at me, or I batter or murder you because I don't like the light-scattering properties of your skin, or your choice of dates, makes no difference to the harm you suffer.

I thought it was quite obvious that this was the argument he was making, not whatever cockamamie bullshit you assumed.

It's simply a method of criminalizing thought, but don't worry, the thought police will never come for you. You will always be right.

Intent is extremely influential in what a person is charged with and in determining their sentence. If you kill someone, you could face zero jail time (if it was self defense), a few years (for involuntary manslaughter), or life imprisonment (for premeditated murder). Determining a person's state of mind at the time that they committed a crime is possibly more important (and definitely more difficult) than determining what actions they took.

That's not to say that there necessarily is or ought to be a difference between "hate crimes" and other forms of senseless violence. If you have a scale to measure how "justified" a crime was (with 1 being absolutely unjustified and 10 being pure self-defense), hate crimes are an easy 1. The problem is that there are many other types of crimes that can also easily be rated a 1. Totally unjustified killings should be treated the same way, whether they were motivated by racial hatred or some other form of hatred. Maybe it would be helpful if there was a less loaded term than "hate crime" (which implies that crimes are somehow worse when committed against members of a different race).

 

[Corporate Thug]

A crying baby on a plane? Wonder how many people on the aircraft were wishing they could slap the baby.

Without the racial slur, this guy would get a round of applause.

ummmm, yeah....go ahead and hit everyone who annoys you and see how that works out for you buddy.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Dumbest shit ever.

Anything bad I could cocievably do to another human being would be motivated by hate. As it is with most all violent crime.

'I cracked his skull because he looked at me funny.'

'I cracked his skull because he was a n*gger f*ggot.'

Do those constitute two different crimes? Really?

ugh, yeah...that is the very definition of a hate crime. A hate crime isn't a crime motivated by hate...it's a crime motivated by hates against a protected class.

http://da.co.la.ca.us/hate/hcdefined.htm

 

[mugs]

No, I meant exactly what I said. If I was motivated to harm someone, it would most assuredly be in anger. Anger is strongly related to hate. They're both emotions; not philosophies.

Well, again, many crimes are not motivated by anger. And anger is quite different from hate. They aren't strongly related at all. I've been angry at my wife, but I've never felt any level of hatred toward her.

Quit trying to redefine 'hate' so that you can justify prosecuting crimes based on how they make you feel rather than the actual crime perpetrated.

P.S. I think you're the one that sounds like a dumbass. That's obviously what you meant to say about me, but you apparently think your passive aggression is somehow sly and clever.

Passive aggression? I said you sound stupid. How is that passive? And this post was even stupider than your previous ones.