Mammoth black holes push universe to its doom

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THE mammoth black holes at the centre of most galaxies may be pushing the universe closer to its final fade-out. And it is all down to the raging disorder within those dark powerhouses.

Disorder is measured by a quantity called entropy, something which has been on the rise ever since the big bang. Chas Egan and Charles Lineweaver of the Australian National University in Canberra used the latest astrophysical data to calculate the total entropy of everything in the universe, from gas to gravitons. It turns out that supermassive black holes are by far the biggest contributors to the universe's entropy. Entropy reflects the number of possible arrangements of matter and energy in an object. The number of different configurations of matter a black hole could contain is staggering because its internal state is completely mysterious.

Egan and Lineweaver found that everything within the observable universe contains about 10104 units of entropy (joules per Kelvin), a factor of 10 to 1000 times higher than previous estimates that did not include some of the biggest known black holes (www.arxiv.org/abs/0909.3983, submitted to The Astrophysical Journal).

If entropy were ever to reach a maximum level, that would mean the heat death of the universe. In this scenario no energy can flow, because everything is the same temperature and so life and other processes become impossible. "Our results suggest we're a little further along that road than previously thought," Egan says.

But although black holes do boost the universe's total entropy, it is not clear whether they will hasten its heat death. Supermassive black holes don't contribute much to the flows of heat that even out temperature throughout the universe, says physicist Stephen Hsu at the University of Oregon in Eugene.

It's true that these black holes will slowly evaporate by releasing Hawking radiation, particles created near the boundary of the black hole. And this radiation could move the universe towards heat death.
Black holes may evaporate via Hawking radiation, tipping the universe towards its heat death

However, it will take some 10^102 years for a supermassive black hole to evaporate. "The entropy inside those black holes is effectively locked up in there forever," Hsu says. So we may have reached a state approaching heat death long before, as stars burn out and their matter decays.


http://www.newscientist.com/ar...verse-to-its-doom.html
 

nerp

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YOu know hawking doesn't believe that black holes will evaporate anymore, right? Susskind debunked it and Hawking accepted Susskind's explanation.
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: nerp
YOu know hawking doesn't believe that black holes will evaporate anymore, right? Susskind debunked it and Hawking accepted Susskind's explanation.

I haven't see that yet.

I was waiting for someone to debunk Hawking Radiation. It never made a lick of sense to me, seems to backwards for everything else we know about black holes. Granted, I don't have a degree in astronomy or physics or similar, but I enjoy researching the stuff I can understand. I could never figure out how Hawking Radiation ever made sense to anyone who even understands the material.
 

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Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: nerp
YOu know hawking doesn't believe that black holes will evaporate anymore, right? Susskind debunked it and Hawking accepted Susskind's explanation.

I haven't see that yet.

I was waiting for someone to debunk Hawking Radiation. It never made a lick of sense to me, seems to backwards for everything else we know about black holes. Granted, I don't have a degree in astronomy or physics or similar, but I enjoy researching the stuff I can understand. I could never figure out how Hawking Radiation ever made sense to anyone who even understands the material.

Where is Silverpig?
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: nerp
YOu know hawking doesn't believe that black holes will evaporate anymore, right? Susskind debunked it and Hawking accepted Susskind's explanation.

What Susskind debunked was that the physical information inside a black hole was lost when it evaporates. They still evaporate.

The end of the universe is on a timescale so vast that IMO makes it more or less pointless for humans to contemplate. Even the most 'dire' scientific predictions put it trillions of years out.
 

nerp

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: nerp
YOu know hawking doesn't believe that black holes will evaporate anymore, right? Susskind debunked it and Hawking accepted Susskind's explanation.

What Susskind debunked was that the physical information inside a black hole was lost when it evaporates. They still evaporate.

The end of the universe is on a timescale so vast that IMO makes it more or less pointless for humans to contemplate. Even the most 'dire' scientific predictions put it trillions of years out.

Yes, thanks for the correction.
 

IGBT

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Junk. What a stupid article.

why?? because it doesn't support accepted consensus among astrophysical balloon heads?
 

Glitchny

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
how long is 10^102 years ? quite a long time?

I tried to see how many zeros it is, but my calculator refused and just gave me the finger.
 

coloumb

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FEAR PROPOGANDA! OMG..I need to stock up on Y2k Supplies!!! We're all gonna DIE!!

Oh wait...10^102 years... pft..I should be dead by then. :)
 

SphinxnihpS

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Originally posted by: nerp
YOu know hawking doesn't believe that black holes will evaporate anymore, right? Susskind debunked it and Hawking accepted Susskind's explanation.


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Stick with astrology.