Malaysian Crackpot Seller...sells gtx 670?

[MisterMac]

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2323229


Take of that what you will, now with 24 hours left til the "690" revealing.... S/A - Fudd - OBR all point to more than just dual gk104 coming.


Think we'll see some mid\high range goodness this time around?

I missed out on a cheapass 7950 -_-.
So i wouldn't mind a nicely 400 USD priced 200 shader less gtx 680 more or less.

That'd be heaven

 

[Corporate Thug]

the pic looks chopped.

 

[TakeNoPrisoners]

the pic looks chopped.

Yea, it doesn't even look photoshopped. I could do that on my luch break with paint.

 

[Don Karnage]

Thats 423 USD

 

[RussianSensation]

Meanwhile in Canada.....

With 1 SMX cluster chopped, at $399 this should easily eclipse the 7950 and GTX580 in performance.

 

[blastingcap]

Meanwhile in Canada.....

With such a small clock dropoff, it looks like they are positioning this against the 7950. Will be interesting to see how many cores are disabled. Since AMD and NVDA pay attention to each others' performance and have historically liked to release cards that edge out the competition by a little at stock vs. stock (if they can't get a bigger win), I predict that the GTX670 will beat the HD7950 by about 10% (stock vs. stock). Certainly NVIDIA is not going to settle for a tie if they can help it; if possible, they will crank up the stock clock to whatever is necessary to win by a little.

Edit: never mind, found this: http://www.techpowerup.com/163638/New-GK104-SKU-Details-Surface.html

If the TPU core count is accurate but the core clock went from 900 to 980, then: 87.5% as many cores as the GTX 680 is similar to the 87.5% of the 7950. The 7950 got clocked 14% lower whereas the GTX 670 got clocked only 3% lower.

End result (stock vs. stock) will be a GTX 670 beating HD 7950 by ~10% but having much worse overclocking headroom. Will beat it in efficiency though, plus all the usual NVIDIA goodies like PhysX, CUDA, Adaptive Vsync, etc. AMD is preemptively countering with price drops and Three for Free games. Should get interesting....

 

[Hauk]

I figured it was a 670. Makes sense. I wonder if they'll drop a power phase off the 680 PCB.

 

[RussianSensation]

With such a small clock dropoff, it looks like they are positioning this against the 7950.

At 1080P, GTX680 is 27% faster than HD7950. Looks like 7950's days are numbered. Only overclocking will make it viable.

With HD7970 now going for $450, I think HD7870 and 7950 should take their respective $299 and $349-369 price brackets. AMD's line-up is getting awfully tight at the bottom. If only $50 separates HD7950 and HD7870, that would make 7870 irrelevant. However, if HD7950 loses to the 670, its $399 price also wouldn't be justified.

 

[blastingcap]

At 1080P, GTX680 is 27% faster than HD7950. Looks like 7950's days are numbered. Only overclocking will make it viable.

With HD7970 now going for $450, I think HD7870 and 7950 should take their respective $299 and $349-369 price brackets. AMD's line-up is getting awfully tight at the bottom. If only $50 separates HD7950 and HD7870, that would make 7870 irrelevant. However, if HD7950 loses to the 670, its $399 price also wouldn't be justified.

I was going by TPU numbers for 1200p and assuming imperfect scaling with the GTX670. http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_680/27.html

Since scaling is probably not going to be perfect, that's why I figure it will be about 10% faster rather than 3% faster as that chart and the GTX670 core count and clock speeds imply. Just a guess. It could be anywhere from 5 to 15% faster than the 7950 at 1920x1200, and I wouldn't be surprised.

Doesn't matter to me on a personal level since I already bought my 7970 for distributed computing purposes and I'll be too busy to game much for most of the rest of this year, but in the 2013+ timeframe I will certainly be looking to go back to green for 22nm.

P.S. Regarding your suggested prices, I don't think the 7950 will be $100 less than a 7970 given that clock for clock it's only ~5% slower according to sites like Hexus that tested it. The entire 7xxx lineup is way underclocked at stock, except for the Gigahertz editions like the 7870. Regarding the 78x0 parts, those GPUs are stripped of GPGPU stuff much like the GTX 6xx parts are, so the 78x0 parts don't suffer from the 79x0 power inefficiencies. A highly overclocked 78x0 card could probably get semi-close to GTX 670 performance and cost less, and still be reasonably efficient.

 

[RussianSensation]

Doesn't matter to me on a personal level since I already bought my 7970 for distributed computing purposes and I'll be too busy to game much for most of the rest of this year, but in the 2013+ timeframe I will certainly be looking to go back to green for 22nm.

Congrats. I was going to say for gaming, your CPU is borderline too slow for such a good graphics card. :thumbsup:

P.S. Regarding your suggested prices, I don't think the 7950 will be $100 less than a 7970 given that clock for clock it's only ~5% slower according to sites like Hexus that tested it.

Some 7950s are already going for $380. I can see them dropping to $350 within a month. Although AMD is doing their 3 free games promotion soon. So they might use the game bundle as a way to keep their prices steady.

 

[Aeiou]

The important thing is, will there ACTUALLY be stock?

 

[blastingcap]

Congrats. I was going to say for gaming, your CPU is borderline too slow for such a good graphics card. :thumbsup:

Some 7950s are already going for $380. I can see them dropping to $350 within a month. Although AMD is doing their 3 free games promotion soon. So they might use the game bundle as a way to keep their prices steady.

At 5760x1080 I am GPU-limited. I proved this to myself last night with a few rounds of TF2 and L4D2 at 5760x1080. But yes, for less-stressful games like FO: New Vegas at 1080p that do not multi-thread well, I'm very CPU-bottlenecked. Haven't tested with games like Crysis yet, though, and I bet the CPU bottleneck isn't so bad with that game even at 1080p.

 

[wand3r3r]

Nice to see some fresh rumors. I hope it's $350 (or less) and not $400 and just trading blows with the HD 7950 (+/- 5-10%). If it's $350 and actually better then the 7950 it may just force the prices down to where they should be. If this has the overclocking neutered too and it's only +/- 10% then the 7950 may still be a better buy at the same price as it can easily overclock so far. Anyways it's easy to speculate, good to finally start getting some rumors.

Considering this would have originally been the gtx 660 or possibly 670 (considering the 680 was originally meant for the ~670 slot) I hope the price reflects that.

 

[Grooveriding]

The important thing is, will there ACTUALLY be stock?

Probably not much. I think the card is too expensive with the price of the 7950, maybe that is early gouging though. The 50% smaller performance increase on 28nm than nvidia delivered on 40nm, lack of voltage control and the sort of overclocking we're used to seeing on nvidia's past cards is going to make their sub halo 670 and, quite likely the 660, not as good a choice as their mid-range was in the past.

The 660, if the rumours hold true of it being half the shaders of the 680, is going to be a pretty crappy card all round as well imo.

 

[Concillian]

At 1080P, GTX680 is 27% faster than HD7950. Looks like 7950's days are numbered. Only overclocking will make it viable.

There is enough wiggle room in the 28nm clocks that ANY new card nVidia sells will beat the competing AMD card at stock clocks. They'll use stock AMD performance as a benchmark for setting the stock clocks.

OCs are certain to be a different story, though. A 7950 is only 800 MHz core and we all know they're completely capable of something in the 1100-1300 range depending on cooling, voltage and how good the chip is. OC vs. OC will be a much more interesting story.

 

[vhx]

If the 680's are indicative of availability, still will be hard to grab one of these.

 

[dma0991]

It just so happens that guy is a legit seller, I can vouch for that. If he is selling a GTX670, it would definitely be an information that are only available to those who are in the supply chain for this kind of stuff.

 

[RussianSensation]

Probably not much. I think the card is too expensive with the price of the 7950, maybe that is early gouging though. The 50% smaller performance increase on 28nm than nvidia delivered on 40nm, lack of voltage control and the sort of overclocking we're used to seeing on nvidia's past cards is going to make their sub halo 670 and, quite likely the 660, not as good a choice as their mid-range was in the past.

The 660, if the rumours hold true of it being half the shaders of the 680, is going to be a pretty crappy card all round as well imo.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Considering in the last 10 years of NV GPUs, Nvidia's next generation upper-mid-range card launched with the performance roughly equal to or slightly faster than previous generation high-end card, GTX670 performing slightly faster than GTX580 actually points to the 670 card being the rightful "GTX660Ti" successor. Of course we aren't going to see that this generation; or NV admitting that GTX680 was really GTX670 Ti all along.

I expect GTX670 at $399 if it comes in 5-10% faster than a stock 7950/580. Expensive 28nm wafers, capacity contraints at TSMC, and lack of competition from AMD suggests that NV is unlikely to deliver 6600GT, 7950GT, 8800GT/9800GT, GTX460 calibre card this round for $200-250. HD7000 series is the best thing to happen to NV in a long time and JHH knows it.

JHH sure is loving it with his F458 Italia, after all pushing 294mm^2 die chips on 256-bit memory bus as "high-end" in the $400-500 segment with just 30-35% faster performance than the previous flagship is quite a marketing accomplishment after 484mm^2 GTX8800GTX, 576mm^2 GTX280, and 520-530mm^2 GTX480/580 gave us 50-75% performance increases on massive dies.....

GTX260 216/275/HD4890 users also had to wait quite a while before they saw a favourable upgrade path in the upper mid-range segment. I have a feeling HD6950/6970/GTX570 owners will be waiting another 12 months. HD7870 isn't exactly setting the world on fire for $330.

 

[blastingcap]

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Considering in the last 10 years of NV GPUs, Nvidia's next generation upper-mid-range card launched with the performance roughly equal to or slightly faster than previous generation high-end card, GTX670 performing slightly faster than GTX580 actually points to the 670 card being the rightful "GTX660Ti" successor. Of course we aren't going to see that this generation; or NV admit that GTX680 was really GTX670 Ti all along.

I expect GTX670 at $399 if it comes in 5-10% faster than a stock 7950/580. Expensive 28nm wafers, capacity contraints at TSMC, and lack of competition from AMD suggests that NV is unlikely to deliver 6600GT, 7950GT, 8800GT/9800GT, GTX460 calibre card this round for $200-250.

GTX260 216/275/HD4890 users also had to wait quite a while before they saw a favourable upgrade path in the upper mid-range segment. I have a feeling HD6950/6970/GTX570 owners will be waiting another 12 months. HD7870 isn't exactly setting the world on fire for $330.

Remember this story? http://www.extremetech.com/computin...y-with-tsmc-claims-22nm-essentially-worthless

Well there is more:

http://www.techpowerup.com/164722/N...Partnership-with-GlobalFoundries-Samsung.html

NVIDIA is formulating a long-term chip manufacturing strategy that will see its interests secure by the time chip manufacturing has moved on to 14 nm (which follows 20 nm and today's 28 nm), which could arrive around 2015. Chip manufacturing by foundry partners is a potentially major irritant for NVIDIA, which wants to see wafer sizes getting increased from the current 300 mm manufacturing at TSMC, to 450 mm, and fast. TSMC will achieve 450 mm (18-inch) wafer manufacturing capability only by 2015. Another irritant for NVIDIA is TSMC's change in business model, which charges fabless customers "per wafer manufactured", rather than "per working chip yielded", giving them what they perceive to be the shorter end of the stick. NVIDIA is thus rigorously evaluating other foundry partners. We know from a slightly older report that Samsung has sent NVIDIA test chips manufactured at its Austin, Texas facility. There is talk that NVIDIA could also seek partnerships with GlobalFoundries, of which AMD recently relinquished all its stakes on. NVIDIA needs reliable, high-volume foundry partners that can keep it competitive not just with its main business of GPUs, but also a potential gold mine that is application processors.

My my how times change when TSMC screws up two nodes in a row. This is an article from 2009 (after AMD had split up from GloFo but I think they still had a stake in them at the time): http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/...ys_No_to_Globalfoundries_Microprocessors.html

Just months after confirming negotiations with Globalfoundries, semiconductor joint-venture between Advanced Micro Devices and Advanced Technology Investment Company, chief executive officer of Nvidia said that the company had no plans to outsource part of its manufacturing to the contract maker of chips.

“Globalfoundries is an AMD fab, right? Globalfoundries is AMD's fab. Our strategy is TSMC,” said Jen-Hsun Huang, chief exec of Nvidia, in an interview with Cnet News web-site.

Earlier this year Mr. Huang said that Globalfoundries was a leading silicon foundry with “advanced and outstanding process technology” and Nvidia was “seriously evaluating and discussing” the possibilities of working with them.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

6950 to 7870 oc is like a 40-50% jump in performance

 

[tonyjones]

someone wire transfer him the money now!!

 

[Don Karnage]

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Considering in the last 10 years of NV GPUs, Nvidia's next generation upper-mid-range card launched with the performance roughly equal to or slightly faster than previous generation high-end card, GTX670 performing slightly faster than GTX580 actually points to the 670 card being the rightful "GTX660Ti" successor. Of course we aren't going to see that this generation; or NV admitting that GTX680 was really GTX670 Ti all along.

I expect GTX670 at $399 if it comes in 5-10% faster than a stock 7950/580. Expensive 28nm wafers, capacity contraints at TSMC, and lack of competition from AMD suggests that NV is unlikely to deliver 6600GT, 7950GT, 8800GT/9800GT, GTX460 calibre card this round for $200-250. HD7000 series is the best thing to happen to NV in a long time and JHH knows it.

JHH sure is loving it with his F458 Italia, after all pushing 294mm^2 die chips on 256-bit memory bus as "high-end" in the $400-500 segment with just 30-35% faster performance than the previous flagship is quite a marketing accomplishment after 484mm^2 GTX8800GTX, 576mm^2 GTX280, and 520-530mm^2 GTX480/580 gave us 50-75% performance increases on massive dies.....

GTX260 216/275/HD4890 users also had to wait quite a while before they saw a favourable upgrade path in the upper mid-range segment. I have a feeling HD6950/6970/GTX570 owners will be waiting another 12 months. HD7870 isn't exactly setting the world on fire for $330.

Agreed. 670 will be 399.99. Why would Nvidia sell it for cheaper? Its going to sell out instantly on newegg like the 680's do.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Meanwhile in Canada.....

With 1 SMX cluster chopped, at $399 this should easily eclipse the 7950 and GTX580 in performance.

The HD 7950 is already at $380, so we'll see. It'll probably be in between the HD 7970 and 7950 in gaming performance.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I'd rather see 349.99 MSRP with retailers jacking up prices.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Considering in the last 10 years of NV GPUs, Nvidia's next generation upper-mid-range card launched with the performance roughly equal to or slightly faster than previous generation high-end card, GTX670 performing slightly faster than GTX580 actually points to the 670 card being the rightful "GTX660Ti" successor. Of course we aren't going to see that this generation; or NV admitting that GTX680 was really GTX670 Ti all along.

I expect GTX670 at $399 if it comes in 5-10% faster than a stock 7950/580. Expensive 28nm wafers, capacity contraints at TSMC, and lack of competition from AMD suggests that NV is unlikely to deliver 6600GT, 7950GT, 8800GT/9800GT, GTX460 calibre card this round for $200-250. HD7000 series is the best thing to happen to NV in a long time and JHH knows it.

JHH sure is loving it with his F458 Italia, after all pushing 294mm^2 die chips on 256-bit memory bus as "high-end" in the $400-500 segment with just 30-35% faster performance than the previous flagship is quite a marketing accomplishment after 484mm^2 GTX8800GTX, 576mm^2 GTX280, and 520-530mm^2 GTX480/580 gave us 50-75% performance increases on massive dies.....

GTX260 216/275/HD4890 users also had to wait quite a while before they saw a favourable upgrade path in the upper mid-range segment. I have a feeling HD6950/6970/GTX570 owners will be waiting another 12 months. HD7870 isn't exactly setting the world on fire for $330.

Love all the bias, especially "lack of competition from AMD". Seems rather hilarious.

Also like how conveniently it's forgotten that it's not your place to decide which card should carry which model number. GF110 wasn't GTX 680 because it hadn't taped out; there aren't even any engineering samples. Of course, you just use this as an opportunity to attack AMD and make a connection between the GTX 680 being GK104 and NVIDIA pricing it as they are to say "NVIDIA has no competition" when the reality is that GF110 doesn't even exist because there are no samples of it.