Making Texas (sorry, I mean Tejas) great again?

[squarecut1]

I don't care about either of the two political establishments (and now even less so given the two vile creatures one of which sadly will be the next President of this country), so this isn't about scoring any political points.

So lately I was in some major cities of Texas, and what was really noticeable compared to the last time I was there was the sheer increase in the number of Hispanic people.

Noticed similar about Asian Americans - certainly in some expensive suburbs, but also overall, everywhere.

There are definitely some major demographic changes going on in Texas, at least in the major population centers.

Here is George Will contemplating

Will Texas become another brick in the Democrats’ blue wall?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...b55f5e-4de0-11e6-a422-83ab49ed5e6a_story.html

 

[HamburgerBoy]

It's basically inevitable until minority groups start switching red, which I do think will happen eventually even though Trump probably turned an entire generation if not multiple the other way. Dubya got something like 40% of the Hispanic vote which isn't bad at all, and if the RNC had their way you'd probably have Rubio or Jeb campaigning with their guac bowls and a pro-amnesty message right now. However, Repubs might be screwed by the time 2024-2028 starts rolling around.

 

[werepossum]

In my opinion it's more likely that Hispanics will begin a "La Raza" party. Why throw your weight around as a minority when you can be the majority?

Note that this isn't racism; their simple but mysterious language doesn't even have a word for race.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I don't care about either of the two political establishments (and now even less so given the two vile creatures one of which sadly will be the next President of this country), so this isn't about scoring any political points.

So lately I was in some major cities of Texas, and what was really noticeable compared to the last time I was there was the sheer increase in the number of Hispanic people.

Noticed similar about Asian Americans - certainly in some expensive suburbs, but also overall, everywhere.

There are definitely some major demographic changes going on in Texas, at least in the major population centers.

Here is George Will contemplating

Will Texas become another brick in the Democrats’ blue wall?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...b55f5e-4de0-11e6-a422-83ab49ed5e6a_story.html

By the time Texas turns blue we will have already completely flipped political party balance.

Either way, Hispanics don't vote silly - everyone knows that.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

It's basically inevitable until minority groups start switching red, which I do think will happen eventually even though Trump probably turned an entire generation if not multiple the other way. Dubya got something like 40% of the Hispanic vote which isn't bad at all, and if the RNC had their way you'd probably have Rubio or Jeb campaigning with their guac bowls and a pro-amnesty message right now. However, Repubs might be screwed by the time 2024-2028 starts rolling around.

No, it's basically inevitable until we stop giving incentives for the bottom class to keep reproducing and making it increasingly difficult for the middle and upper class. One side gets tons of advantages, the other side gets a huge dent in their budget.

Middle and upper class evaluate.... Can I afford this kid? Can I feed and cloth him? Can I get him into a good school area? Can I dedicate enough time to this while working 50-hour week salary jobs?

Lower class just screws like bunnies and pop out kids like a cannon. One more kid is another deduction, another tax credit, and free incentives to keep on making them. It's of little surprise at this point.

 

[DrPizza]

No, it's basically inevitable until we stop giving incentives for the bottom class to keep reproducing and making it increasingly difficult for the middle and upper class. One side gets tons of advantages, the other side gets a huge dent in their budget.

Middle and upper class evaluate.... Can I afford this kid? Can I feed and cloth him? Can I get him into a good school area? Can I dedicate enough time to this while working 50-hour week salary jobs?

Lower class just screws like bunnies and pop out kids like a cannon. One more kid is another deduction, another tax credit, and free incentives to keep on making them. It's of little surprise at this point.

The lower class has an advantage, when 85% of new money go to the top 1%. Weird. Though I agree with you that we do make it too easy for those on welfare. I proposed this before: You're on welfare, 1st kid, fine. 2nd kid, fine. 3rd kid - NO, there isn't an increase in welfare payments. You choose - make due with what you've got, else put the kid up for adoption. If you make due, social services will be checking in from time to time to make sure the children's needs aren't neglected.

 

[Svnla]

Around here in the NE of Texas and NW of Louisiana area, there are a lot more of Hispanics/Latinos than it used to be. Don't see much different in Asians and other races.

 

[alcoholbob]

In my opinion it's more likely that Hispanics will begin a "La Raza" party. Why throw your weight around as a minority when you can be the majority?

Note that this isn't racism; their simple but mysterious language doesn't even have a word for race.

I hope so. The Democrat-Republican duopoly needs to be broken up and Hispanics will want equal representation which I don't see that ever happening while being tethered to the Democratic party. A 3rd major party certainly would make U.S. politics a lot more interesting.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

No, it's basically inevitable until we stop giving incentives for the bottom class to keep reproducing and making it increasingly difficult for the middle and upper class. One side gets tons of advantages, the other side gets a huge dent in their budget.

Middle and upper class evaluate.... Can I afford this kid? Can I feed and cloth him? Can I get him into a good school area? Can I dedicate enough time to this while working 50-hour week salary jobs?

Lower class just screws like bunnies and pop out kids like a cannon. One more kid is another deduction, another tax credit, and free incentives to keep on making them. It's of little surprise at this point.

I definitely agree that people have to stop rewarding reproduction as if it's an inherent good, but Hispanic income statistics are driven downwards by illegal immigrants earning sub-minimum wage, and they don't qualify for most social benefits (although their children certainly do). I think it's important to define what constitutes middle class too, because with how much public education costs these days, even middle class families probably receive more benefits from school alone than they pay back in taxes. It's an average of $10k per student per year, and a middle class family earning maybe $70k/yr with two children certainly doesn't pay that back.

Of course, Hispanic families tend to be the largest irrespective of the social benefits offered by their nation (thank you Catholicism)...

 

[AnonymouseUser]

In my opinion it's more likely that Hispanics will begin a "La Raza" party. Why throw your weight around as a minority when you can be the majority?

Note that this isn't racism; their simple but mysterious language doesn't even have a word for race.

raza = race

Bullshit it isn't racism. La Raza is the Mexican equivalent of the Klu Klux Klan.

Exclusive: The Truth About ‘La Raza’

Radical ‘Reconquista’ Agenda

Behind the respectable front of the National Council of La Raza lies the real agenda of the La Raza movement, the agenda that led to those thousands of illegal immigrants in the streets of American cities, waving Mexican flags, brazenly defying our laws, and demanding concessions.

Key among the secondary organizations is the radical racist group Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan, or Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan (MEChA), one of the most anti-American groups in the country, which has permeated U.S. campuses since the 1960s, and continues its push to carve a racist nation out of the American West.

MEChA and the La Raza movement teach that Colorado, California, Arizona, Texas, Utah, New Mexico, Oregon and parts of Washington State make up an area known as “Aztlan” — a fictional ancestral homeland of the Aztecs before Europeans arrived in North America. As such, it belongs to the followers of MEChA. These are all areas America should surrender to “La Raza” once enough immigrants, legal or illegal, enter to claim a majority, as in Los Angeles. The current borders of the United States will simply be extinguished.

This plan is what is referred to as the “Reconquista” or reconquest, of the Western U.S.

But it won’t end with territorial occupation and secession. The final plan for the La Raza movement includes the ethnic cleansing of Americans of European, African, and Asian descent out of “Aztlan.”

(emphasis mine)

 

[agent00f]

raza = race

Bullshit it isn't racism. La Raza is the Mexican equivalent of the Klu Klux Klan.

Exclusive: The Truth About ‘La Raza’

(emphasis mine)

Lol @ friendly fire.

 

[Triloby]

Texas has far more Mexicans and Hispanics than you would think. We have so many Mexicans/Hispanics down here, that most people reckon within a few decades or so that white people will become a minority. Even Texas has its' fair share of Asians (Asian American and Asian immigrants) and Africans down here (both African American and African immigrants).

It wouldn't surprise me if at some point, all the big cities in Texas turn blue. Austin, of course, being the biggest blue Texas city of them all.

 

[woolfe9998]

raza = race

Bullshit it isn't racism. La Raza is the Mexican equivalent of the Klu Klux Klan.

Exclusive: The Truth About ‘La Raza’





(emphasis mine)

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/0...media-s-not-what-la-raza-means-spanish/210786

 

[HomerJS]

If Republicans hadn't gone all anti-minority since the days of the civil rights act.

Anyone know Republicans got almost 40% of the black vote when Eisenhower ran? Today anything close to that would be a titanic shift.

 

[brycejones]

If Republicans hadn't gone all anti-minority since the days of the civil rights act.

Anyone know Republicans got almost 40% of the black vote when Eisenhower ran? Today anything close to that would be a titanic shift.

Ike wouldn't have made it past the first debate in this election cycle. Damn RINO!

 

[squarecut1]

No, it's basically inevitable until we stop giving incentives for the bottom class to keep reproducing and making it increasingly difficult for the middle and upper class. One side gets tons of advantages, the other side gets a huge dent in their budget.

Middle and upper class evaluate.... Can I afford this kid? Can I feed and cloth him? Can I get him into a good school area? Can I dedicate enough time to this while working 50-hour week salary jobs?

Lower class just screws like bunnies and pop out kids like a cannon. One more kid is another deduction, another tax credit, and free incentives to keep on making them. It's of little surprise at this point.

All the Asian and even lots of Muslim women I saw in high end shopping malls, driving their Lexus and Infiniti SUVs, don't quite fit in your profile. From what I saw, the increase in minority population is not a lower socio economic class thing

 

[theeedude]

Wouldn't GOP evolve if they stopped winning elections? I mean they jumped on the Southern Strategy when it was politically expedient, I would suspect that when bigotry no longer rewards them with victories, they would jump off.

 

[hal2kilo]

Wouldn't GOP evolve if they stopped winning elections? I mean they jumped on the Southern Strategy when it was politically expedient, I would suspect that when bigotry no longer rewards them with victories, they would jump off.

Hell even George Bush was pushing the Republicans in the right direction (for the survival of their party) but they (the base) are having none of it. We will just have to see if the Republicans loose the presidential again if they will have a real honest self examination or they will just double down on "we weren't conservative enough again".

 

[theeedude]

I think it will take a few more post-mortems, because the base just keeps getting dumber and more bigoted. They have to hit rock bottom.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

All the Asian and even lots of Muslim women I saw in high end shopping malls, driving their Lexus and Infiniti SUVs, don't quite fit in your profile. From what I saw, the increase in minority population is not a lower socio economic class thing

Then I would have to say you are oblivious to your surroundings.

I work the typical white collar job. I'm up by 6, at the office by 8. I get home at 7. Cook, cleanup, maybe get a quick workout in and oh look it's 10:00, time to go to sleep unless you want to feel like shit the next day.

Where in any of that (as a daily life) do you expect there to be time for making babies?

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[glenn1]

raza = race

Bullshit it isn't racism. La Raza is the Mexican equivalent of the Klu Klux Klan.

Exclusive: The Truth About ‘La Raza’





(emphasis mine)

I bet if they got their “Aztlan” one of the first things they'd do is to close off their borders to further immigration and wouldn't tolerate illegals. Hell, Mexico abuses the shit out of people who try to sneak into their country; it's a felony to be an illegal there and they deport shitloads more than we do. Plus their border security against Guatemala would be the envy of Trump and his wished-for wall.

http://blog.amnestyusa.org/americas/migrants-in-mexico-invisible-victims-of-abuse/

 

[AnonymouseUser]

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/0...media-s-not-what-la-raza-means-spanish/210786

"They're not racist, conservatives just say they are" is not proof they aren't racist. Just look at their flag if you want proof of their intent (which jives with my quote from earlier).

MEChA and the La Raza movement teach that Colorado, California, Arizona, Texas, Utah, New Mexico, Oregon and parts of Washington State make up an area known as “Aztlan” — a fictional ancestral homeland of the Aztecs before Europeans arrived in North America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raza_Unida_Party

They are fucking racists.

 

[zinfamous]

It has been declared "inevitable" that Texas will become a purple state within 2 or 3 more election cycles, and likely another Blue stronghold for several cycles after that, assuming both parties continue on their current paths and the various factors that neither party can control (economic and demographic shifts) continue on as they are.

Aside from the growing Latino populations, Texas is a big tech hub in certain areas and while they host some very large, very important education centers, they are only fairly recently becoming important on an international scale. Anytime you have large population centers with a highly-educated workforce, you have liberally-inclined people. This is simply a fact of humanity, and especially the US.

Added to that, the large influx of people moving from CA (much to the strange delight of native Texans--some sort of "haha! you liberals moving from hell to enjoy our freedom!" that is about to bite them in the ass) is going to have no small influence in political alignment.

This is why Colorado is a battleground state, and why my home state, NC, is still considered mildly purple from the 2008 election and beyond (a few decades of northeasterners moving down for work at RTP, along with the same education/tech centers that bring such politically-minded people).

Education and tech innovation represent progress. The only way to survive as a relevant state is to promote both of these things. Sadly, for the conservative-minded regressive types, this means more progressively-minded individuals develop an interest in living in such places, when the work attracts them there.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

I bet if they got their “Aztlan” one of the first things they'd do is to close off their borders to further immigration and wouldn't tolerate illegals. Hell, Mexico abuses the shit out of people who try to sneak into their country; it's a felony to be an illegal there and they deport shitloads more than we do. Plus their border security against Guatemala would be the envy of Trump and his wished-for wall.

http://blog.amnestyusa.org/americas/migrants-in-mexico-invisible-victims-of-abuse/

They absolutely would: Mexico Deports 9 Out Of 10 Illegal Central American Migrants

 

[squarecut1]

Then I would have to say you are oblivious to your surroundings.

I work the typical white collar job. I'm up by 6, at the office by 8. I get home at 7. Cook, cleanup, maybe get a quick workout in and oh look it's 10:00, time to go to sleep unless you want to feel like shit the next day.

Where in any of that (as a daily life) do you expect there to be time for making babies?

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Just to give one example, the oil industry in Houston has a huge number of what you call minority people, and of course they are white collar jobs and rather lucrative ones at that. Almost all of such people I know, or my family/friends know, have several children.