Making taxes voluntary will solve argument over tax cuts being good or bad.

[DZip]

After hearing so much from people regarding the bad idea of reducing taxes, I have a great idea. Why not let the people that think taxes are to low pay the difference between those that think they are to high?

I don't know about the rest of you, but since the tax cuts, my paycheck has a bigger net amount. Eveyone should look at their paystubs now and compare it to one before the tax cuts. It will not matter if your income is high, middle, or low, you will see an increase in net pay. The more I bring home. the more I spend. The more I spend, the better chance someone has of getting a job to make the things I buy.

For everyone out there that feels they don't pay enough taxes, please tell the IRS to keep your tax refund and apply it to someone else that has to pay. You will feel better about yourself and prove you are correct in your thinking that paying more in taxes will be a good thing.

 

[conehead433]

If you wnat to feel better about yourself give some of your surplus money to a charitable organization that helps feed this world's starving children.

 

[Dissipate]

Those tax cuts are an illusion. Bush has racked up a half trillion dollar deficit for this year alone. Have fun paying it off in the future.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: DZip
After hearing so much from people regarding the bad idea of reducing taxes, I have a great idea. Why not let the people that think taxes are to low pay the difference between those that think they are to high?

I don't know about the rest of you, but since the tax cuts, my paycheck has a bigger net amount. Eveyone should look at their paystubs now and compare it to one before the tax cuts. It will not matter if your income is high, middle, or low, you will see an increase in net pay. The more I bring home. the more I spend. The more I spend, the better chance someone has of getting a job to make the things I buy.

For everyone out there that feels they don't pay enough taxes, please tell the IRS to keep your tax refund and apply it to someone else that has to pay. You will feel better about yourself and prove you are correct in your thinking that paying more in taxes will be a good thing.

Nice way to justify stealing from future generations. Why should others pay your share of taxes?

 

[Sahakiel]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: DZip
After hearing so much from people regarding the bad idea of reducing taxes, I have a great idea. Why not let the people that think taxes are to low pay the difference between those that think they are to high?

I don't know about the rest of you, but since the tax cuts, my paycheck has a bigger net amount. Eveyone should look at their paystubs now and compare it to one before the tax cuts. It will not matter if your income is high, middle, or low, you will see an increase in net pay. The more I bring home. the more I spend. The more I spend, the better chance someone has of getting a job to make the things I buy.

For everyone out there that feels they don't pay enough taxes, please tell the IRS to keep your tax refund and apply it to someone else that has to pay. You will feel better about yourself and prove you are correct in your thinking that paying more in taxes will be a good thing.

Nice way to justify stealing from future generations. Why should others pay your share of taxes?

I think he means to limit it to current taxpayers. It would simply be the current tax system but thsoe who truly feel current taxes are too low can pay more and those who truly feel taxes are too high can pay a thousandth of a penny less.

 

[kylebisme]

oh ya great idea, i am sure people will be jumping at the chance to take on a disportionate amount of our country's financial burdon.

 

[ReiAyanami]

Alan Greenspan testifies on the deficit: "Without corrective action, this development will put substantial pressure on our ability in coming years to provide even minimal government services while maintaining entitlement benefits at their current level, without debilitating increases in tax rates."

That's right, its not a double tax cut, its a tax deferrment, and will likely be a quadruple tax raise at -$7t.

Even Warren Buffet slams Bush's fiscal policy after his company's profits doubled and earned $5,000/share this quarter.
A single share of Berkshire is now at $93,000.

Oh, and it is impossible to give the government your own money, John Stossel did a segment on this a few years ago asking why people can't overpay to the IRS voluntarily. The best you can do is either overpay your taxes then move overseas, or buy a bunch of gift cards and never redeem them (becomes unclaimed money, which then goes to state).

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: DZip
After hearing so much from people regarding the bad idea of reducing taxes, I have a great idea. Why not let the people that think taxes are to low pay the difference between those that think they are to high?

I don't know about the rest of you, but since the tax cuts, my paycheck has a bigger net amount. Eveyone should look at their paystubs now and compare it to one before the tax cuts. It will not matter if your income is high, middle, or low, you will see an increase in net pay. The more I bring home. the more I spend. The more I spend, the better chance someone has of getting a job to make the things I buy.

For everyone out there that feels they don't pay enough taxes, please tell the IRS to keep your tax refund and apply it to someone else that has to pay. You will feel better about yourself and prove you are correct in your thinking that paying more in taxes will be a good thing.

Nice way to justify stealing from future generations. Why should others pay your share of taxes?

Every generation steals from the next - thanks to Social Security & Medicare, it's the new American way!!

 

[Ferocious]

Taxes can't be voluntary.

Too many moochers out there.

 

[MadRat]

Originally posted by: Ferocious
Taxes can't be voluntary.

Too many moochers out there.

Excuse me, but the IRS reminds us all every year that taxes are VOLOUNTARY. Its punishable by law to not pay taxes, but its your discretion to pay or not.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: MadRat

Originally posted by: Ferocious
Taxes can't be voluntary.

Too many moochers out there.

Excuse me, but the IRS reminds us all every year that taxes are VOLOUNTARY. Its punishable by law to not pay taxes, but its your discretion to pay or not.

No. Tax evasion is punishable by law(where you file but the information is bogus), flat out not paying isn't. If you don't file though the IRS has numerous ways of making your life hell. They can seize your property, freeze your bank accounts, put liens on stuff, pretty much shut down your life and all of these decisions go on completely outside the courtroom. Sure, filing is voluntary but all I have to say is: have fun.

 

[MadRat]

1. Filing is not mandatory unless you owe.
2. Not paying is punishable by a fine, collection fee, and compounded interest.

Whomever told you different was lying out their teeth.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: MadRat
1. Filing is not mandatory unless you owe.
2. Not paying is punishable by a fine, collection fee, and compounded interest.

Whomever told you different was lying out their teeth.

Filing is mandatory if you make above certain income levels. It has nothing to do with whether you owe or don't owe.

 

[MadRat]

Topic 351 - Who Must File?

Whether you have to file a tax return for 2003, depends, in part, on your filing status, age, and gross income. You will hear the filing status, age, and amount of gross income that would require you to file.

Single, under 65, and your gross income was at least $7,800.
Single, 65 or older, and your gross income was at least $8,950.
Married, filing a joint return, you and your spouse were both under 65, and your gross income was at least $15,600.
Married, filing a joint return, one spouse is 65 or older, and your gross income was at least $16,550.
Married, filing a joint return, both you and your spouse were 65 or older, and your gross income was at least $17,500.
Married, filing a separate return, and your gross income was at least $3,050, regardless of your age.
Head of household, under 65, and your gross income was at least $10,050.
Head of household, 65 or older, and your gross income was at least $11,200.
Qualifying widow or widower with a dependent child, you were under 65, and your gross income was at least $12,550.
Qualifying widow or widower with a dependent child, you were 65 or older, and your gross income was at least $13,500.

Gross income includes all income you receive in the form of money, goods, property, and services that is not exempt from tax. Even though your gross income was less than the amount stated for your age and filing status, you may have to file a tax return.

You must file a tax return if you had net earnings from self?employment of $400 or more. Net earnings from self?employment is your total self?employment income less the expenses paid in operating your trade or business, multiplied by 92.35%. For more details, refer to Publication 533, Self?Employment Tax.

If you are an individual who may be claimed as a dependent on another person's return, you are subject to specific filing requirements. Refer to the instructions in your tax package or refer to Publication 929, Tax Rules for Children and Dependents, or Publication 501, Exemptions, Standard Deduction, and Filing Information, for the filing requirements for dependents.

You must file a tax return if you received any amount of advance earned income credit payments from your employer during the year, or if you owe any taxes, such as social security tax and Medicare tax on tips or group life insurance, alternative minimum tax, tax on qualified retirement plans including an Individual Retirement Account, tax on an Archer Medical Account, or tax from recapture of an education credit, investment credit, low income housing credit, federal mortgage subsidy, qualified electric vehicle credit, or the native american employment credit.

Special filing requirements may apply to U.S. citizens who are residents of Puerto Rico or who have income from U.S. possessions. Order Publication 570 for additional information. Residents of Puerto Rico should select Topic 901.

Generally, you must file a tax return if you are a nonresident alien with income from sources in the United States. For more information on nonresident aliens, select Topic 851.

Even if you are not required to file a tax return, you should file a return if you are due a refund.

If you did not file a return for a previous year and you were required to do so, refer to Topic 153. If you need help determining which form to file, refer to Topic 352.

There is no penalty for failure to file if you are due a refund. But if you wait too long to file, you may risk losing the refund altogether. The deadline for claiming refunds is three years after the return due date.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: MadRat
Topic 351 - Who Must File?

Whether you have to file a tax return for 2003, depends, in part, on your filing status, age, and gross income. You will hear the filing status, age, and amount of gross income that would require you to file.

Single, under 65, and your gross income was at least $7,800.
Single, 65 or older, and your gross income was at least $8,950.
Married, filing a joint return, you and your spouse were both under 65, and your gross income was at least $15,600.
Married, filing a joint return, one spouse is 65 or older, and your gross income was at least $16,550.
Married, filing a joint return, both you and your spouse were 65 or older, and your gross income was at least $17,500.
Married, filing a separate return, and your gross income was at least $3,050, regardless of your age.
Head of household, under 65, and your gross income was at least $10,050.
Head of household, 65 or older, and your gross income was at least $11,200.
Qualifying widow or widower with a dependent child, you were under 65, and your gross income was at least $12,550.
Qualifying widow or widower with a dependent child, you were 65 or older, and your gross income was at least $13,500.

Gross income includes all income you receive in the form of money, goods, property, and services that is not exempt from tax. Even though your gross income was less than the amount stated for your age and filing status, you may have to file a tax return.

You must file a tax return if you had net earnings from self?employment of $400 or more. Net earnings from self?employment is your total self?employment income less the expenses paid in operating your trade or business, multiplied by 92.35%. For more details, refer to Publication 533, Self?Employment Tax.

If you are an individual who may be claimed as a dependent on another person's return, you are subject to specific filing requirements. Refer to the instructions in your tax package or refer to Publication 929, Tax Rules for Children and Dependents, or Publication 501, Exemptions, Standard Deduction, and Filing Information, for the filing requirements for dependents.

You must file a tax return if you received any amount of advance earned income credit payments from your employer during the year, or if you owe any taxes, such as social security tax and Medicare tax on tips or group life insurance, alternative minimum tax, tax on qualified retirement plans including an Individual Retirement Account, tax on an Archer Medical Account, or tax from recapture of an education credit, investment credit, low income housing credit, federal mortgage subsidy, qualified electric vehicle credit, or the native american employment credit.

Special filing requirements may apply to U.S. citizens who are residents of Puerto Rico or who have income from U.S. possessions. Order Publication 570 for additional information. Residents of Puerto Rico should select Topic 901.

Generally, you must file a tax return if you are a nonresident alien with income from sources in the United States. For more information on nonresident aliens, select Topic 851.

Even if you are not required to file a tax return, you should file a return if you are due a refund.

If you did not file a return for a previous year and you were required to do so, refer to Topic 153. If you need help determining which form to file, refer to Topic 352.

There is no penalty for failure to file if you are due a refund. But if you wait too long to file, you may risk losing the refund altogether. The deadline for claiming refunds is three years after the return due date.

Thank you, sadrat, for proving my point. You are still required to file a return even if you are owed a refund. There's simply no penalty for doing so late.

 

[MadRat]

Actually I proved I was right. How you deem yourself right is another egocentric matter altogether.

Read it again:

"There is no penalty for failure to file if you are due a refund. But if you wait too long to file, you may risk losing the refund altogether. The deadline for claiming refunds is three years after the return due date. "

Under law if there is no penalty then there is no obligation. Get the facts straight.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: MadRat
Actually I proved I was right. How you deem yourself right is another egocentric matter altogether.

Read it again:

"There is no penalty for failure to file if you are due a refund. But if you wait too long to file, you may risk losing the refund altogether. The deadline for claiming refunds is three years after the return due date. "

Under law if there is no penalty then there is no obligation. Get the facts straight.

You are more than a little bit stupid. You know less about this than you do about the military. Which is hard to believe. The only way to determine if you are owed or not owed a refund (or how much you owe) is by submitting your taxes. The IRS makes the determination, you do not, No where in anything you have posted does it say "if you decide you are owed a refund, you do not have to file." You know why it doesn't say that? Because it's not true you fscking moron. Just becuase the IRS doesn't penalize for filing a "refund" return late doesn't mean you don't have to file. Call the IRS and ask them.

 

[MadRat]

Your need to stay on a rigid definition, totally disredarding the overall picture, says alot about your personality.

There will be alot of people happy when you retire, Dandy Dave. Here's a salute.:moon:

 

[StageLeft]

Because then people are paying disproportionately too much, so that the cheapasses (as they see) don't have to.

 

[NonSequiter]

Oh, and it is impossible to give the government your own money, John Stossel did a segment on this a few years ago asking why people can't overpay to the IRS voluntarily. The best you can do is either overpay your taxes then move overseas, or buy a bunch of gift cards and never redeem them (becomes unclaimed money, which then goes to state).

Absolutely false. The IRS is simply not the accepting agency for gifts to the United States government, the
Bureau of Public Debt is where you can send Uncle Sam your check. So all you folks who want to complain about taxes being too low, get cracking. Fat chance of that happening of couse, since what you really mean is just that you think OTHER peoples' taxes are too low. It's all those damn rich people preventing you from having more money to spend on all your wonderful programs, the greedy bastards.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Your need to stay on a rigid definition, totally disredarding the overall picture, says alot about your personality

Your inability to understand simple English says a lot about your intelligence. Or better stated, lack thereof. Just can't stand to be wrong can you sadrat.

There will be alot of people happy when you retire, Dandy Dave. Here's a salute.

Talking out your ass again huh sh!t stain. You know less about that than the last two topics you attempted to comment on. Keep trying though, the law of averages tells us that even you are bound to get one right. Of course as many times as you've been wrong it should've happened long before now. You're way overdue. 0 for something aren't you?

 

[MadRat]

LOL, dandy, you lost it once again. Must be incredibly pathetic to resort to name calling when you run out of legitimate material. Salute!:moon:

 

[josphII]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: DZip
After hearing so much from people regarding the bad idea of reducing taxes, I have a great idea. Why not let the people that think taxes are to low pay the difference between those that think they are to high?

I don't know about the rest of you, but since the tax cuts, my paycheck has a bigger net amount. Eveyone should look at their paystubs now and compare it to one before the tax cuts. It will not matter if your income is high, middle, or low, you will see an increase in net pay. The more I bring home. the more I spend. The more I spend, the better chance someone has of getting a job to make the things I buy.

For everyone out there that feels they don't pay enough taxes, please tell the IRS to keep your tax refund and apply it to someone else that has to pay. You will feel better about yourself and prove you are correct in your thinking that paying more in taxes will be a good thing.

Nice way to justify stealing from future generations. Why should others pay your share of taxes?

or the government can just spend less or is that not in your 'how to be a good democrat' manual?