"Making people struggle a little bit is not necessarily the worst thing." Unless they're wealthy.

BOBDN

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As Cheney lied his way through Meet the Press on Sunday some glaring inconsistencies still couldn't be hidden. Even with the softballs being lobbed by Tim Russert and Cheney's rambling, incoherent answers. After all Cheney could always cover his inconsistencies and outright lies, unchallenged by Russert, by declaring, "I misspoke."

Reaganesque.

From EJ Dionne in the Washington Post.

Handing Out Hardship

"What's certain is that the administration believes that making high-income taxpayers "struggle a little bit" is definitely a bad thing."
 

XZeroII

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Using the "I misspoke" excuse is common in politics. I'm sure the most famous example is Gore's after he claimed to create the internet. I would like to see more consequences for politicians when they do stuff like that.
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
Using the "I misspoke" excuse is common in politics. I'm sure the most famous example is Gore's after he claimed to create the internet. I would like to see more consequences for politicians when they do stuff like that.

No argument there. Politicans really need to take more responsibility for that they say.
 

tcsenter

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After all Cheney could always cover his inconsistencies and outright lies, unchallenged by Russert, by declaring, "I misspoke."

Reaganesque.
Your partisanship shining through again. Reagan was "I don't remember that." Clinton was "I misspoke."

Cheney pulling a Slick Willy!

But yeah, I mean, with the wealthy paying virtually all of the taxes in this country, it inexcusible to give them a tax break.
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Corn

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But yeah, I mean, with the wealthy paying virtually all of the taxes in this country, it inexcusible to give them a tax break.

I disagree, it is not inexcusable, it scandalous! ;)
 
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Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: XZeroII
Using the "I misspoke" excuse is common in politics. I'm sure the most famous example is Gore's after he claimed to create the internet. I would like to see more consequences for politicians when they do stuff like that.

No argument there. Politicans really need to take more responsibility for that they say.


"I did not have sexual relations with..."

 

amok

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Originally posted by: Corn
But yeah, I mean, with the wealthy paying virtually all of the taxes in this country, it inexcusible to give them a tax break.

I disagree, it is not inexcusable, it scandalous! ;)
When we are running a massive deficit and looking at vital infrastructure upgrades, it is. As for 'struggling a bit', that's a joke. When you make more than a million a year, its hard to really come up short. I don't see anyone worth several million getting turned down for a $300K loan if they came up a little short because of a tax-cut repeal.
 

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: xochi
READ MY LIPS, NO NEW....


"I do." ...after raising his right hand and repeating those magical words under oath and not on some campaign trail.

Using the definition of sexual relations he was given in the Jones trial, he didn't lie ;). Hairsplitting, ofc, but he is a politician, its what they do for a living.
 

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: xochi
READ MY LIPS, NO NEW....


"I do." ...after raising his right hand and repeating those magical words under oath and not on some campaign trail.

insert any of Jr's false statements about Iraq made to the American public.....and paid for with blood.

 
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Originally posted by: amok
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: xochi
READ MY LIPS, NO NEW....


"I do." ...after raising his right hand and repeating those magical words under oath and not on some campaign trail.

Using the definition of sexual relations he was given in the Jones trial, he didn't lie ;). Hairsplitting, ofc, but he is a politician, its what they do for a living.

Yes, they do that on 'Face the Nation', not when facing the nation under oath...to excuse this is just plain ignorant.

 

BOBDN

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Originally posted by: amok
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: xochi
READ MY LIPS, NO NEW....


"I do." ...after raising his right hand and repeating those magical words under oath and not on some campaign trail.

Using the definition of sexual relations he was given in the Jones trial, he didn't lie ;). Hairsplitting, ofc, but he is a politician, its what they do for a living.

This is getting way off topic (thanks to galt) but what the hell?

The truth is the Republican's lawyers weren't bright enough to ask the Slickster the right question. :D:D:D
 

BOBDN

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: amok
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: xochi
READ MY LIPS, NO NEW....


"I do." ...after raising his right hand and repeating those magical words under oath and not on some campaign trail.

Using the definition of sexual relations he was given in the Jones trial, he didn't lie ;). Hairsplitting, ofc, but he is a politician, its what they do for a living.

Yes, they do that on 'Face the Nation', not when facing the nation under oath...to excuse this is just plain ignorant.

He galt, you ever cheat on your wife?
 

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: amok
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: xochi
READ MY LIPS, NO NEW....


"I do." ...after raising his right hand and repeating those magical words under oath and not on some campaign trail.

Using the definition of sexual relations he was given in the Jones trial, he didn't lie ;). Hairsplitting, ofc, but he is a politician, its what they do for a living.

Yes, they do that on 'Face the Nation', not when facing the nation under oath...to excuse this is just plain ignorant.
He was under oath regarding a blow job. When are you reactionary morons going to let it go?


Were american soldiers put in harm's way? Nope.

Did it adversely affect the economy? Nope.

Did it undermine foreign relations? Nope.

Did it have far-reaching impact on the environment? Nope.

Did it contribute to an increase in the unemployment rate? Nope.



Build a bridge and get the f*ck over it already. He hasn't been Pres for years.
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Originally posted by: BOBDN
As Cheney lied his way through Meet the Press on Sunday some glaring inconsistencies still couldn't be hidden. Even with the softballs being lobbed by Tim Russert and Cheney's rambling, incoherent answers. After all Cheney could always cover his inconsistencies and outright lies, unchallenged by Russert, by declaring, "I misspoke."

Reaganesque.

From EJ Dionne in the Washington Post.

Handing Out Hardship

"What's certain is that the administration believes that making high-income taxpayers "struggle a little bit" is definitely a bad thing."

Here's the transcript of what Cheney actually said on Meet the Press.

Meet the Press
 

alchemize

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He definitely toes the line about Haliburton here. of course, BOBDN will just say "he's a liar".

Were you involved in any way in the awarding of those contracts?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Of course not, Tim. Tim, when I was secretary of Defense, I was not involved in awarding contracts. That?s done at a far lower level. Secondly, when I ran Halliburton for five years and they were doing work for the Defense Department, which frankly they?ve been doing for 60 or 70 years, I never went near the Defense Department. I never lobbied the Defense Department on behalf of Halliburton. The only time I went back to the department during those eight years was to have my portrait hung which is a traditional service rendered for former secretaries of Defense. And since I left Halliburton to become George Bush?s vice president, I?ve severed all my ties with the company, gotten rid of all my financial interests. I have no financial interest in Halliburton of any kind and haven?t had now for over three years. And as vice president, I have absolutely no influence of, involvement of, knowledge of in any way, shape or form of contracts led by the Corps of Engineers or anybody else in the federal government, so...
MR. RUSSERT: Why is there no bidding?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: I have no idea. Go ask the Corps of Engineers. One of the things to keep in mind is that Halliburton is a unique kind of company. There are very few companies out there that have the combination of the very large engineering construction capability and significant oil field services, the first- or second-largest oil field service company in the world, and they?ve traditionally done a lot of work for the U.S. government and the U.S. military. That expertise has stood the military in good stead over the years, but it?s a great company. There are fine people working for it.
I also have a lot of confidence in the people in the Department of Defense. Nobody has produced one single shred of evidence that there?s anything wrong or inappropriate here, nothing but innuendo, and?basically they?re political cheap shots is the way I would describe it. I don?t know any of the details of the contract because I deliberately stayed away from any information on that, but Halliburton is a fine company. And as I say?and I have no reason to believe that anybody?s done anything wrong or inappropriate here.
 

dahunan

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Then why is he hiding the information about his energy talks?

You know.. the ones where they showed large maps of Iraq and the key oil wells there?
 

BOBDN

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Rectify this with statements made by Cheney and the Bush administration before the invasion,

" MR. RUSSERT: The Washington Post asked the American people about Saddam Hussein, and this is what they said: 69 percent said he was involved in the September 11 attacks. Are you surprised by that?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: No. I think it?s not surprising that people make that connection.
MR. RUSSERT: But is there a connection?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: We don?t know. You and I talked about this two years ago. I can remember you asking me this question just a few days after the original attack. At the time I said no, we didn?t have any evidence of that. Subsequent to that, we?ve learned a couple of things. We learned more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the ?90s, that it involved training, for example, on BW and CW, that al-Qaeda sent personnel to Baghdad to get trained on the systems that are involved. The Iraqis providing bomb-making expertise and advice to the al-Qaeda organization.
We know, for example, in connection with the original World Trade Center bombing in ?93 that one of the bombers was Iraqi, returned to Iraq after the attack of ?93. And we?ve learned subsequent to that, since we went into Baghdad and got into the intelligence files, that this individual probably also received financing from the Iraqi government as well as safe haven.
Now, is there a connection between the Iraqi government and the original World Trade Center bombing in ?93? We know, as I say, that one of the perpetrators of that act did, in fact, receive support from the Iraqi government after the fact. With respect to 9/11, of course, we?ve had the story that?s been public out there. The Czechs alleged that Mohamed Atta, the lead attacker, met in Prague with a senior Iraqi intelligence official five months before the attack, but we?ve never been able to develop anymore of that yet either in terms of confirming it or discrediting it. We just don?t know."
 

BOBDN

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Explain this lie:

"MR. RUSSERT: We could establish a direct link between the hijackers of September 11 and Saudi Arabia.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: We know that many of the attackers were Saudi. There was also an Egyptian in the bunch. It doesn?t mean those governments had anything to do with that attack. That?s a different proposition than saying the Iraqi government and the Iraqi intelligent service has a relationship with al-Qaeda that developed throughout the decade of the ?90s. That was clearly official policy."

One Iraqi is definitely a government in 1993 but 12 Saudis have nothing to do with their government in 2001.
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: amok
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: xochi
READ MY LIPS, NO NEW....


"I do." ...after raising his right hand and repeating those magical words under oath and not on some campaign trail.

Using the definition of sexual relations he was given in the Jones trial, he didn't lie ;). Hairsplitting, ofc, but he is a politician, its what they do for a living.

Yes, they do that on 'Face the Nation', not when facing the nation under oath...to excuse this is just plain ignorant.

He galt, you ever cheat on your wife?

Depends on what your definition of "cheat" is?
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: BOBDN
Explain this lie:

"MR. RUSSERT: We could establish a direct link between the hijackers of September 11 and Saudi Arabia.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: We know that many of the attackers were Saudi. There was also an Egyptian in the bunch. It doesn?t mean those governments had anything to do with that attack. That?s a different proposition than saying the Iraqi government and the Iraqi intelligent service has a relationship with al-Qaeda that developed throughout the decade of the ?90s. That was clearly official policy."

One Iraqi is definitely a government in 1993 but 12 Saudis have nothing to do with their government in 2001.



Seems to me that WE *the USA* gave more training to al-Qaeda than Iraq ever could have ...

 

BOBDN

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Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: amok
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: xochi
READ MY LIPS, NO NEW....


"I do." ...after raising his right hand and repeating those magical words under oath and not on some campaign trail.

Using the definition of sexual relations he was given in the Jones trial, he didn't lie ;). Hairsplitting, ofc, but he is a politician, its what they do for a living.

Yes, they do that on 'Face the Nation', not when facing the nation under oath...to excuse this is just plain ignorant.

He galt, you ever cheat on your wife?

Depends on what your definition of "cheat" is?


:D