Making Asbestos Great Again

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K1052

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https://www.fastcompany.com/90208948/under-trumps-epa-asbestos-might-be-making-a-comeback

On June 1, the EPA enacted a “SNUR” (short for Significant New Use Rule) allowing the manufacture of new asbestos-containing products to be petitioned and approved by the federal government on a case-by-case basis. Under an amendment to the 1976 Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA) that passed in 2016, during the Obama administration, asbestos also remains one of ten prioritized substances currently being evaluated by the EPA.

On the nose, that may sound like Trump’s EPA is diligently regulating asbestos—but as the New York Times reported, the agency has significantly narrowed the way it evaluates the risk of potentially harmful chemical substances, all but making these two safety measures moot, and signaling a win for the powerful chemical lobby. A lengthy report of EPA’s new “framework” for evaluating risk, placed into effect this month, detailed how it would no longer consider the effect or presence of substances in the air, ground, or water in its risk assessments—effectively turning a blind eye to improper disposal, contamination, emissions, and other long-term environmental and health risks associated with chemical products, including those derived from asbestos.

Mind boggling. If industry gets turned over and reamed out by legit socialists eventually they've only got themselves to blame for this crazy uncaring greed.

Also the president is very very fucking stupid:

For the record, Trump has been outward in his views on the asbestos industry—his 1997 book Art of the Comeback, in fact, explicitly stated that asbestos bans are a conspiracy “led by the mob, because it was often mob-related companies that would do the asbestos removal.”



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Blackjack200

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https://www.fastcompany.com/90208948/under-trumps-epa-asbestos-might-be-making-a-comeback



Mind boggling. If industry gets turned over and reamed out by legit socialists eventually they've only got themselves to blame for this crazy uncaring greed.

Also the president is very very fucking stupid:

Haha. I wonder if anyone will be dumb enough to produce it? Aren't the mesothelioma lawsuits still going?

This seems like such a bad idea

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Kind of coincidental that the #1 producer of Asbestos is Russia, its also kind of weird how the City in Russia that makes it ramped up production a couple of months ago.
Who would have thought Russian would be so good at speculation?
 
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Kind of coincidental that the #1 producer of Asbestos is Russia, its also kind of weird how the City in Russia that makes it ramped up production a couple of months ago.
Who would have thought Russian would be so good a speculation?
They put his fucking face on the packaging!!!

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tweaker2

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Wouldn't surprise me if the EPA would allow them to make particle masks and face mask filters out of that shit because of it's fire retardant qualities.
 

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Yeah, we need to erase what this fat-assed moron is doing.

Remember to vote in November 2018.
 

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https://www.asbestos.com/asbestos/history/

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Asbestos occurs naturally on every continent in the world. Archeologists uncovered asbestos fibers in debris dating back to the Stone Age, some 750,000 years ago. It is believed that as early as 4000 B.C., asbestos’ long hair-like fibers were used for wicks in lamps and candles.

Between 2000-3000 B.C., embalmed bodies of Egyptian pharaohs were wrapped in asbestos cloth to protect the bodies from deterioration. In Finland, clay pots dating back to 2500 B.C. contained asbestos fibers, which are believed to strengthen the pots and make them resistant to fire. Around 456 B.C., Herodotus, the classical Greek historian, referred to the use of asbestos shrouds wrapped around the dead before their bodies were tossed onto the funeral pyre to prevent their ashes from being mixed with those of the fire itself.

Around 755, King Charlemagne of France had a tablecloth made of asbestos to prevent it from burning during the accidental fires that frequently occurred during feasts and celebrations. Like the ancient Greeks, he also wrapped the bodies of his dead generals in asbestos shrouds. By the end of the first millennium, cremation cloths, mats and wicks for temple lamps were fashioned from chrysotile asbestos from Cyprus and tremolite asbestos from northern Italy.

In 1095, the French, German and Italian knights who fought in the First Crusade used a catapult, called a trebuchet, to fling flaming bags of pitch and tar wrapped in asbestos bags over city walls during their sieges. In 1280, Marco Polo wrote about clothing made by the Mongolians from a “fabric which would not burn.” Polo visited an asbestos mine in China to disprove the myth that asbestos came from the hair of a wooly lizard.

Chrysotile asbestos was mined during the reign of Peter the Great, Russia’s tsar from 1682 to 1725. A purse made of fireproof asbestos, now part of London’s Natural History Museum collection, was brought to England by Benjamin Franklin during his first visit there as a young man in 1725. Paper made from asbestos was discovered in Italy in the early 1700s. By the 1800s, the Italian government was utilizing asbestos fibers in its bank notes. The Parisian Fire Brigade in the mid-1850s wore jackets and helmets made from asbestos.

Interesting. If we can find a way to safely harness the power of Asbestos, why not exploit it? Everyone knows the tremendous liabilities of deploying Asbestos as a product, so obviously whatever they come with would have to be pretty sound. Otherwise they would be sued into oblivion.
 

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https://www.asbestos.com/asbestos/history/

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Interesting. If we can find a way to safely harness the power of Asbestos, why not exploit it? Everyone knows the tremendous liabilities of deploying Asbestos as a product, so obviously whatever they come with would have to be pretty sound. Otherwise they would be sued into oblivion.


I agree but I’ve gotta feeling it’s opening up a big ol can o worms. We do safely use it already though in things like brake pads.
 

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https://www.asbestos.com/asbestos/history/

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Interesting. If we can find a way to safely harness the power of Asbestos, why not exploit it? Everyone knows the tremendous liabilities of deploying Asbestos as a product, so obviously whatever they come with would have to be pretty sound. Otherwise they would be sued into oblivion.

There is no safe exposure level and the only way to make it "safe" is to ensure it can never become airborne.
 

brycejones

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I agree but I’ve gotta feeling it’s opening up a big ol can o worms. We do safely use it already though in things like brake pads.

About that:

https://www.asbestosnetwork.com/High-Risk-Occupations/Auto-Mechanics.shtml

Asbestos Diseases Can Stem From Home Auto Repair
Asbestos has been a component of brake pads and linings, clutch facings and various gaskets for many years. Millions of brakes and clutches on cars, trucks, and on auto parts shelves still contain dangerous levels of the material, although it is not generally used in the production of new brakes or clutches.

You cannot tell if a brake or clutch contains asbestos just by looking at it. Therefore, auto mechanics and do-it-yourself auto enthusiasts should proceed as if all brakes and clutches contained asbestos.

Hazards for Auto Mechanics: Asbestos Brakes and Clutches
As asbestos brake and clutch materials wear down through normal automobile use, asbestos-containing dust is released to the outside environment. Much of this material also becomes trapped within the clutch space or brake housing. The asbestos can then be released when repair and replacement work is done. Using compressed air or vacuuming the brake residue with a regular shop or home vacuum further spreads the asbestos dust.
 

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https://www.asbestos.com/asbestos/history/

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Interesting. If we can find a way to safely harness the power of Asbestos, why not exploit it? Everyone knows the tremendous liabilities of deploying Asbestos as a product, so obviously whatever they come with would have to be pretty sound. Otherwise they would be sued into oblivion.

It isn't just the end products that you need to think about. There is no way to easily extract and process the asbestos without releasing it to the environment and exposing workers and the general public to the fibres.

For context I suggest looking up the town of Wittenoom in Western Australia. Before people were aware of the health consequences even the playgrounds in that town were lined asbestos. I've worked at an iron ore mine not far from the town and we regularly had to wear dust protection when seams of fibrous material were exposed.
 
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I agree but I’ve gotta feeling it’s opening up a big ol can o worms. We do safely use it already though in things like brake pads.

I don't think many brake pads use asbestos any longer. The usual choices are organic or metal.
I'm no expert in this field

I do think asbestos is a great thing provided it can be encapsulated permanently, just seems like nobody has figured out how to do that.
 
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