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Makes me go hmmmmm...
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deerslayer
Lifer
😕
The only difference between a Ti4200 and a Ti4400 is the default core/memory clocks.
You can flash the BIOS with a hacked file to change the defaults, thus eliminating the need for software based OCing.
It's no more turning it into a Ti4400 than using a pencil on an Athlon XP turns it into another speed.
Viper GTS
Mr.IncrediblyBored
Lifer
The 4400/4600 use a different sized PCB with a slightly different layout. Reprogramming the 4200 into a 4400+ is impossible. But, yea, a BIOS flash and overclock will most certainly bring its performance on par with the faster cards.
Not sure if any IHV's used the 4400/4600 PCB for 4200 cards. I wouldn't be surprised if some have.
Edit: Waaaay too slow. Thanks, MichaelD.
wfbberzerker
Lifer
....are you new to the hardcore pc user arena? its widely known (well, sort of) that differences between similar types of hardware are generall only software/bios. (i.e. a 2ghz pentium 4 vs. a 2.1ghz pentium 4) the reason the higher speed costs more is because its guaranteed to run at that speed. if you overclock, you void your warrantee. thats why companies get away with this stuff.
EDIT: *note* i dont know if 2 vs. 2.1 ghz p4 has a hardware difference, i was just making an analogy. i dont even know if they make a 2.1 ghz p4. so back off hardware geeks!
Insidious
Diamond Member
Some sanity.... Thank You!
my point exactly! hacks and utilities are a nice compromise, but c'mon
does anyone really,.... really believe that the exact same hardware would
be priced over a $200.00+ range?
I certainly will conceed the point that performance of a tweaked lower model
can rival the performance of an un-tweaked upper model on various hardware
However, you are loosing reliability and longevity in the process.
edit: to the wfbberzerker post:
for a single component this is often the case, however it is a screening process which separates
the better performers. and YES, Veronica...... it matters!
However, in my original post I was refering to an entire card... and NO the hardware is NOT the same
and cannot be made the same with software hacks...
but when YOU have been around a bit longer, you will learn that too 😛
my point exactly! hacks and utilities are a nice compromise, but c'mon
does anyone really,.... really believe that the exact same hardware would
be priced over a $200.00+ range?
I certainly will conceed the point that performance of a tweaked lower model
can rival the performance of an un-tweaked upper model on various hardware
However, you are loosing reliability and longevity in the process.
edit: to the wfbberzerker post:
for a single component this is often the case, however it is a screening process which separates
the better performers. and YES, Veronica...... it matters!
However, in my original post I was refering to an entire card... and NO the hardware is NOT the same
and cannot be made the same with software hacks...
but when YOU have been around a bit longer, you will learn that too 😛
wfbberzerker
Lifer
thats why people sometimes buy the more expensive piece of hardware. in the case of a pentium 4 (as i assume this is where you get your $200 range estimate) there are no PHYSICAL or HARDWARE differences between two of the same type of processor if they are different speeds. when intel makes a processor, only some are able to go to the higher speed, which is why they cost more. they also cost more because they are guaranteed to run at that higher speed.
when i put that processor into my motherboard, regardless of what speed it is, most motherboards will let me set the speed it runs at (using multiplier * frontside bus speed). if i set it too high, processor fries, i lose all my money (because overclocking voids the warranty)
wfbberzerker
Lifer
eh?
That's not entirely true. A prime example is the processors available during the Celeron 300A days....pretty much the heyday of overclocking CPUs. The processor might have been a 500MHz processor, but market conditions were that they would make more money selling more 300MHz chips for less than selling less 500MHz chips for more.
It was the same exact processor, they just stamped different numbers on them.
The Ti4200->4400 thing might just be a placebo, but it's not always the case.
wfbberzerker
Lifer
if i may say another example....
take two different versions of ati's radeon:
-the Radeon DDR
-the Radeon LE
the two cards (the whole cards, everything) are EXACTLY the same. the only difference is that on the LE, Hyper-Z was disabled (in the registry, mind you - software), and that it was clocked slower (in the drivers - again software)
by using a program (yes its a hack i suppose, but it still is software, and you dont mod the card), you can enable hyper-z and overclock the card to the speeds of the DDR.
so why does the DDR cost more? because when you bring the LE to DDR speeds, you void teh warranty.
take two different versions of ati's radeon:
-the Radeon DDR
-the Radeon LE
the two cards (the whole cards, everything) are EXACTLY the same. the only difference is that on the LE, Hyper-Z was disabled (in the registry, mind you - software), and that it was clocked slower (in the drivers - again software)
by using a program (yes its a hack i suppose, but it still is software, and you dont mod the card), you can enable hyper-z and overclock the card to the speeds of the DDR.
so why does the DDR cost more? because when you bring the LE to DDR speeds, you void teh warranty.
MichaelD
Lifer
No disrespect intended, but you (and the others that posted similar things) are missing the point. While the Radeon DDR and Radeon LE may be different only in the registry, they are still physically the same card. The GF4 4200Ti and the GF4 4400/4600Ti cards are physically, completely different animals.
wfbberzerker
Lifer
wait a minute... was insidious saying that he saw that someone specifically did that? or was he just making an analogy?
Insidious
Diamond Member
wfbberzerker
Is there any particular reason you insist on flying off on these tangents?
Is it unclear in the first post of this thread that we are talking about Ti4200 and Ti4400 video cards?
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edit: (directed to the above post)
wfbberzerker, you really need to read these posts more carefully!
Is there any particular reason you insist on flying off on these tangents?
Is it unclear in the first post of this thread that we are talking about Ti4200 and Ti4400 video cards?
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edit: (directed to the above post)
wfbberzerker, you really need to read these posts more carefully!
It was a post I read where another guy really believed HE had done it..... My opinion was that he was deluded. 🙂
wfbberzerker
Lifer
😱 whoops.... i thought you were just making an analogy... i apologize for declaring you ignorant before i knew the whole story.
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