makes me feel sorry for the poor bastards in the bombers

[Specop 007]

Nothing they can do but keep flying and hope the 190's run out of ammo before it chews them to peices.

Click

 

[OutHouse]

you mean 109's maybe??


Edit, sorry i was wrong, its been a long day im going to bed.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Citrix
you mean 109's maybe??

No, the FW190's.

 

[LordMorpheus]

Originally posted by: Citrix
you mean 109's maybe??

no.

It even says Fw-190 in the vid.

 

[iwantanewcomputer]

fock and wulf 190...little fast ah heck. the bf-109 was bigger and slower

nevermind...i had them confused

 

[LordMorpheus]

Originally posted by: iwantanewcomputer
fock and wulf 190...little fast ah heck. the bf-109 was bigger and slower

sorta. 190 was bigger. more aerodynamic, though. Bigger, heavier, more powerful, but more streamlined, also, and carried a bigger punch.

Also, the A-series had air-cooled engines and stronger airframes, could take much more damage than the me-109. The 109 was very small, very powerful. Quite a good turning aircraft (though not as good as the spitfire). It could climb like a rocket, also very quick. The Fw-190 was a heavier fighter than the messerschmidt. Both good aircraft in their own ways.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: LordMorpheus

Originally posted by: iwantanewcomputer
fock and wulf 190...little fast ah heck. the bf-109 was bigger and slower

sorta.

Compared to the Boeings it was gunning for, definately.

 

[Ronstang]

The FW was a fantastic and formidable figher but it was deadly to the pilot if a novice....it was not easy to fly at all.

 

[LordMorpheus]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
The FW was a fantastic and formidable figher but it was deadly to the pilot if a novice....it was not easy to fly at all.

All pilot accounts I've read state that the 190 was a much friendlier aircraft than the 109. The 109 suffered from very narrow and weak landing gear, you could easily tip the plane over on the ground or suffer gear failure on landing. Also, the 190 was very automated - in the 109 the pilot had to micromanage all of his engine settings, in the 190 much of this was taken care of. The greats, such as Hartmann, generally preffered the 109, while the bulk of the luftwaffe considered the 190 the better aircraft. However, none of the german aircraft were as approachable as pilots remember the allied fighters. Accounts say the P-51 and 47 were very easy to fly and land in. The spitfire was reported to be a handful on takeoff but other than that a very forgiving aircraft.

The allies had their dogs, too, though. The P-39 comes to mind. Famous for being a deathtrap due to its bizarre stall characteristics resulting from the engine being placed behind the cockpit (made room for the big 37mm cannon firing out the propellor hub).

I think it was Hartmann who made the comparison that the 109 was akin to a foil while the 190 was a rapier. It came down to preference and pilot style as to which was better.

Yaks are good planes, also. in a turning fight they'd destroy both main german fighters. In an energy fight, things go the other way. It came down to the pilots in most cases. The germans had more training, and in general won aerial confrontations. The RAF and USAAF had as much more training, however, and the average german pilot wasn't much of a match for his western counterparts late in the war. A few phenomonal german pilots were flying, of course, but most of the experienced pilots were dead and the impressive K/D ratio for the brits and yanks comes down to better training. Arguments can be made either way as to which aircraft were better. Don't argue with a british guy, though, I've never talked to one that would concede that the spitfire wasn't the best at everything.

 

[Specop 007]

On a side note, is there any way to save videos from Google?

Oh yeah, YAKS FOREVER!!!

 

[skyking]

Don't argue with a british guy, though, I've never talked to one that would concede that the spitfire wasn't the best at everything.

They were certainly the best out of all those you mentioned at wing warping, a disturbing phenomenon where aerodynamic loads cause the wing to bend into a bad shape. They'd get up near the redline and tuck uncontrollably.

 

[canadageek]

ha-pffffft....as the german guy, i'm gonna have to Vote Messerschmitt 262
seriously, though....the german aircraft we equipped with feul injection...awesome in dogfights, but it made up half the moving parts in the plane...always left me wondering what would have happened if hitler wasn't hell-bent on destroying non-aryans/commies/gays/ect...would Germany be one of the most technologically advanced countries in the world?