Make Your Own US Federal Budget!

[cwjerome]

Estimated receipts for fiscal year 2009 are $2.7 trillion
Obama's budget for 2009 totals $3.1 trillion

Here's the basic '09 breakdown:

o $644 billion - Social Security
o $408 billion - Medicare
o $224 billion - Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program
o $360 billion - Unemployment/Welfare/Other mandatory spending
o $260 billion - Interest on National Debt
o $515.4 billion - United States Department of Defense
o $145.2 billion - Global War on Terror
o $70.4 billion - United States Department of Health and Human Services
o $59.2 billion - United States Department of Education
o $44.8 billion - United States Department of Veterans Affairs
o $38.5 billion - United States Department of Housing and Urban Development
o $38.3 billion - State and Other International Programs
o $37.6 billion - United States Department of Homeland Security
o $25.0 billion - United States Department of Energy
o $20.8 billion - United States Department of Agriculture
o $20.3 billion - United States Department of Justice
o $17.6 billion - National Aeronautics and Space Administration
o $12.5 billion - United States Department of the Treasury
o $11.5 billion - United States Department of Transportation
o $10.6 billion - United States Department of the Interior
o $10.5 billion - United States Department of Labor
o $8.4 billion - Social Security Administration
o $7.1 billion - United States Environmental Protection Agency
o $6.9 billion - National Science Foundation
o $6.3 billion - Judicial branch (United States federal courts)
o $4.7 billion - Legislative branch (United States Congress)
o $4.7 billion - United States Army Corps of Engineers
o $0.4 billion - Executive Office of the President
o $0.7 billion - Small Business Administration
o $46.0 billion - Other

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[JS80]

1. Defense/catch all "national security"
2. Interstate highways

Leave the rest to the states.

 

[Slew Foot]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Estimated receipts for fiscal year 2009 are $2.7 trillion
Obama's budget for 2009 totals $3.1 trillion

Here's the basic '09 breakdown:


o $260 billion - Interest on National Debt
o $200 billion - United States Department of Defense
o $45.2 billion - Global War on Terror
o $50 billion - United States Department of Health and Human Services
o $80 billion - United States Department of Education (properly streamlined)
o $44.8 billion - United States Department of Veterans Affairs
o $10.6 billion - United States Department of Homeland Security
o $20.8 billion - United States Department of Agriculture
o $50 billion - National Aeronautics and Space Administration
$11.5 billion - United States Department of Transportation
o $10.6 billion - United States Department of the Interior
o $20 billion - National Science Foundation
o $6.3 billion - Judicial branch (United States federal courts)
o $4.7 billion - Legislative branch (United States Congress)
o $4.7 billion - United States Army Corps of Engineers
o $0.4 billion - Executive Office of the President
o $0.7 billion - Small Business Administration
o $46.0 billion - Other

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I suppose that relatively close. Eliminate all entitlement programs, theyre just pyramid schemes in disguise. Keep roads, national parks, some education, and defense spending as well as some health and food saftey. The rest is up to the states.

 

[Stunt]

1) Eliminate Social Security but implement tax incentives to invest in retirement investment vehicles. With SS, citizens think they are contributing to their retirement and government will look after them; this is a very bad mindset to have. People need to understand the concept of personal finance; worst case scenario older people will need to move in with their family or get assistance from charities; government does not need to administer this. Set to $0.
2) Heathcare should be a single payer publicly funded healthcare because i think it's the most efficient way to administer healthcare. I also support private consulting to boost efficiencies of this system. I think insurance companies don't have the right interests as core values and I don't see significant savings in healthcare through the competitive free market (many small towns with only one option for care). Companies should not be responsible for the base line health of a nation unless the injury was experienced at their place of work. Fees to discourage abuse is important and the care itself should be generated through personal taxes; I don't really care if it's pulled from income and/or taxing of products that cause long term health concerns (ie. cigs, junk food), just keep it off the books of corporations. I think the a system like this would cost $2000 per person like in other nations maybe less with the fees and increased efficiency over those nations. So that's $600B, same as medicare and medicaid costs but frees up the $1.75trillion consumed by the economy to maintain a healthy workforce. (based on 15% gdp healthcare spending by public/private)
3) DOD cuts to 2.5% with majority of spending on R&D and replacing dated equipment and technology, maintain some domestic manufacturing capacity for military needs. Save $200B
4) War on Terror combined with homeland security and divert resources into intelligence and working with allies to prevent attacks on US soil not involved in overseas issues. Better funding for southern border security, new technology to detect people/illegal products. Could do all of this with probably $50B.
5) Combine Energy and Transportation given they are directly related. Boost spending on dept of energy to develop domestic produced low cost energy that might not be economically viable (oil is still most efficient for transport). Invest in rail and other mass transit. Set at $100B, the return on this investment will see much less money going overseas making rogue states rich and not keeping wealth in the country.
6) Reduce military personnel and be more conservative when considering war to reduce future liabilities of veterans affairs.
7) Keep unemployment but funded by the individual working to support themselves through the economic cycles. Eliminate welfare, charities are available for those who want to help and fund assistance.
8) Consider reducing penalties on drug offenses to reduce burden on prisions
9) Eliminate education, housing, agriculture, treasury, state programs, interior, labour, SSA, Other (non-essential)
10) Education subsidies for those who want to be retrained or those who want to go back to school. Public scholarships for low income kids with high potential and send to the best private schools. Education needs to be privately funded to keep teachers and content accountable. Create a relationship with parents without bureaucracy and politics.
11) Keep funding low return high potential reward science and space R&D to maintain superpower and technology advantage over all other nations.

That's a total bill of roughly $1.3 trillion. (with debt interest)
I would shift that tax burden to personal taxes and eliminate corporate taxation.
Government would be taxing less than 10% of the economy. Most nations tax 50-60% of their economy.
Anything of value that is being cut will be invested in or donated by individual investors/citizens. Government does not need to administer this.

 

[MotF Bane]

o Personal fiscal responsibility for retirement.
o Redesign of healthcare, but not through the government.
o $260 billion - Interest on National Debt
o $500 billion - Repayment of National Debt (debt gone in 20 years? woohoo)
o $400 billion - United States Department of Defense (everybody comes home)
o $60 billion - United States Department of Health and Human Services
o $70 billion - United States Department of Education
o $45 billion - United States Department of Veterans Affairs
o $40 billion - United States Department of Housing and Urban Development
o $30 billion - State and Other International Programs
o United States Department of Homeland Security belongs to DoD.
o $40 billion - United States Department of Energy (expand nuclear, increase R&D)
o $25 billion - United States Department of Agriculture
o $20 billion - United States Department of Justice
o $30 billion - National Aeronautics and Space Administration
o $12.5 billion - United States Department of the Treasury
o $15 billion - United States Department of Transportation (fix the roads)
o $10 billion - United States Department of the Interior
o $10 billion - United States Department of Labor
o $7.5 billion - United States Environmental Protection Agency
o $10 billion - National Science Foundation
o $7 billion - Judicial branch (United States federal courts)
o $5 billion - Legislative branch (United States Congress)
o $8 billion - United States Army Corps of Engineers
o $0.4 billion - Executive Office of the President
o $0.7 billion - Small Business Administration
o $46.0 billion - Other (???)

That's about 1.7 trillion. Cut taxes accordingly.

 

[Fear No Evil]

100% to the military... wipe out the rest of the world.. ??? ... PROFIT!!

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
100% to the military... wipe out the rest of the world.. ??? ... PROFIT!!

Don't forget NASA. Mars is ripe for conquest! If you are going to go all out for military conquest, you should think bigger.

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
100% to the military... wipe out the rest of the world.. ??? ... PROFIT!!

Don't forget NASA. Mars is ripe for conquest! If you are going to go all out for military conquest, you should think bigger.

Small minds have a hard time thinking big.

 

[walkur]

A nice comparison, the expenditures of The Kingdom of the Netherlands of 2009

Numbers in billions

Education, culture and Science 34,9
Social Security and Labor 25,2
County and provinces(states) 18,7
Health 14,4 **
National Debt 14,2
Water, infrastructure 10,8
foreign affairs 10,7
Defense 8,1
Internal affairs and Royalty stuff(including police) 6,6
Youth and family 6,2
Justice 5,7
Housing integration 4,9
Finance 4,1
Economic affairs 2,6
Agriculture,nature 2,4
Urban Development, Environmental Protection 1,2
Other 8,3


** A lot of the expenditures are through mandatory private insurances so they don't show up.
*** translations not 100% accurate

 

[Stuxnet]

1. Eliminate SS

Next.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: walkur
A nice comparison, the expenditures of The Kingdom of the Netherlands of 2009

Numbers in billions

Education, culture and Science 34,9
Social Security and Labor 25,2
County and provinces(states) 18,7
Health 14,4 **
National Debt 14,2
Water, infrastructure 10,8
foreign affairs 10,7
Defense 8,1
Internal affairs and Royalty stuff(including police) 6,6
Youth and family 6,2
Justice 5,7
Housing integration 4,9
Finance 4,1
Economic affairs 2,6
Agriculture,nature 2,4
Urban Development, Environmental Protection 1,2
Other 8,3


** A lot of the expenditures are through mandatory private insurances so they don't show up.
*** translations not 100% accurate

So $200Billion for 16.6million people or $12,000 per person
The US is $3.1Trillion for 303.8million people or $10,200 per person

I don't know what your point is...

 

[Carmen813]

o $1.5 trillion - Chinese Overlords
o $700 billion - Japanese Overlords
o $500 billion - Spawning more Overlords
o $300 million - Miniature American Flags for every American (also made in China).

 

[WhipperSnapper]

It's kinda sad that the funding for the National Science Foundation (basic research) is almost at the bottom of the list.

 

[smashp]

So which column does all the Corporate Pension Obligations whose funds were raided and the company went broke and the burden was swifted on to the Feds get placed under?

 

[Genx87]

Raise age of SS benefits to 76, then means test it. That should cut a major expense out of that program.

I'd guess that would cut by over 50%.
SS - 322 Billion

Dump it in favor of letting states take on their own health insurance.
Medicare - 0.0

Dump the CHIPS program which is nothing but an attempt to hook the middle class on big govt. Let the states deal with this.
CHIPs - 0.0

Without knowing the exact break down on welafare vs unemployment and other services in this category Ill plead ignorance and cut the budget by 10% just for the sake of cutting it
Unemployment - 324 Billion

The military will have to learn to do more with less. Reform their ways and become a leaner fighting machine. Ill deduct the cost of the WoT off their budget so total funding doesnt change but now the war they are fighting is on their budget.
Military - 515.4 - 145.2 = 370.2 billion for operations + 145.2 for the war = 515.4 billion

WoT - Erased from the federal budget, is now included in the military budget. 0.0

Health and Human services. How is this not already included in the welfare or medicare\medicaid budget? Slashed except for the CDC. Let the states take care of their own.
Can the CDC run off a 20 billion\year budget? They better learn under my iron fist
Heath + Human = 20 billion

Dept of Education is drain and hooks local districts on the big govt tit.
0.0

I'll leave the dept of vet affairs at 44.8 billion. Though I have no idea how their budget is so large and they are so inept. In my second year they will need reforms or good bye.
Vet affairs - 44.8 Billion

Housing and urban development looks like a money pit of govt handouts.
Dept of Urban Dev - 0.0

State and Other international programs looks like more govt handouts to local and international organizations that cant figure out their own budgets. Slashed to a fraction of what we are paying now
State other international programs - 10.0 billion

Homeland security will have to prove they require 37.6 billion for the next budget
Homeland - 37.6 Billion

DoE - 25.0 Billion

Dept of Agriculture - Slashed and burned.
DoA = 0.0

DoJ - 20.3 billion

NASA - 17.6 Billion

Dept of Treasury - Ill keep their funding but they will need to possibly make cuts next yeat
Dept of Tresury - 12.5 Billion

DoI - 10.6 Billion

Dept of Labor - 10.5 Billion

SS Admin should be cut in half due to half as many people on the role.
SS Admin - 4.2 Billion

National Science Foundation - 6.9 Billion
Judicial Branch - 6.3 Billion
Legislative Branch - 4.7 Billion
Corps of Engineers - 4.7 Billion
Executive office of president - 400 million
Small Business Admin - 700 million

No idea what othr falls under but it gets cut 10%.
41 billion

Total before any additions = 1.439 Trillion dollar budget. With tax revenues expected to be about 2.5 trillion I am going to increase funding in Dept of Trans from 11.5 to 23 billion after they submit a proposal to overhaul our nations highway infrastructure. Then we go from there with upto 100 billion to be spent per year under my reign to undergo a modernization program.

Budget is 1.539 Trillion + 260 Billion on interest.

Taxes will remain where they are until debt\gdp returns under 30% then will lower
over time

 

[SagaLore]

A little off topic, but I would get an Amendment passed that setup a House of Finances. This house would be solely responsible for writing the budget, auditing expenditures, and regulating the Federal Reserve.

 

[SagaLore]

o $700 billion - Social Security
o $500 billion - Interest on National Debt
o $500 billion - United States Department of Defense
o $300 billion - Global War on Terror
o $200 billion - Medicare
o $200 billion - Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program
o $200 billion - Unemployment/Welfare/Other mandatory spending
o $100 billion - United States Department of Education
o $ 70 billion - United States Department of Health and Human Services
o $ 50 billion - United States Department of Energy
o $ 50 billion - United States Department of Veterans Affairs
o $ 50 billion - National Aeronautics and Space Administration
o $ 40 billion - United States Department of Housing and Urban Development
o $ 30 billion - State and Other International Programs
o $ 20 billion - United States Department of Agriculture
o $ 20 billion - United States Department of Justice
o $ 20 billion - National Science Foundation
o $ 15 billion - United States Department of Transportation
o $ 10 billion - United States Department of the Treasury
o $ 10 billion - United States Department of Homeland Security
o $ 10 billion - United States Environmental Protection Agency
o $ 8 billion - United States Department of the Interior
o $ 8 billion - United States Department of Labor
o $ 5 billion - Social Security Administration
o $ 5 billion - Judicial branch (United States federal courts)
o $ 5 billion - Legislative branch (United States Congress)
o $ 5 billion - United States Army Corps of Engineers
o $ 1 billion - Small Business Administration
o $ .3 billion - Executive Office of the President
o $ 30 billion - Other

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Estimated receipts for fiscal year 2009 are $2.7 trillion
Obama's budget for 2009 totals $3.1 trillion

Here's the basic '09 breakdown:

o $644 billion - Social Security
o $1 trillion - Medicare for all
o $0 - Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program
o $360 billion - Unemployment/Welfare/Other mandatory spending
o $260 billion - Interest on National Debt
o $132 billion - United States Department of Defense/Global War on Terror
o $150.4 billion - United States Department of Health and Human Services
o $120 billion - United States Department of Education
o $44.8 billion - United States Department of Veterans Affairs
o $38.5 billion - United States Department of Housing and Urban Development
o $38.3 billion - State and Other International Programs
o $37.6 billion - United States Department of Homeland Security
o $25.0 billion - United States Department of Energy
o $20.8 billion - United States Department of Agriculture
o $20.3 billion - United States Department of Justice
o $17.6 billion - National Aeronautics and Space Administration
o $12.5 billion - United States Department of the Treasury
o $11.5 billion - United States Department of Transportation
o $10.6 billion - United States Department of the Interior
o $10.5 billion - United States Department of Labor
o $8.4 billion - Social Security Administration
o $7.1 billion - United States Environmental Protection Agency
o $26.9 billion - National Science Foundation
o $6.3 billion - Judicial branch (United States federal courts)
o $4.7 billion - Legislative branch (United States Congress)
o $4.7 billion - United States Army Corps of Engineers
o $0.4 billion - Executive Office of the President
o $0.7 billion - Small Business Administration
o $46.0 billion - Other

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Changes in bold. Basically, cut military spending by 80% and move the money into Medicare for all, HHS (for the NIH), and into education.

 

[miketheidiot]

1) rewrite consistution
2) start over from scratch

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Raise age of SS benefits to 76, then means test it. That should cut a major expense out of that program.

I'd guess that would cut by over 50%.
SS - 322 Billion

Dump it in favor of letting states take on their own health insurance.
Medicare - 0.0

Dump the CHIPS program which is nothing but an attempt to hook the middle class on big govt. Let the states deal with this.
CHIPs - 0.0

Without knowing the exact break down on welafare vs unemployment and other services in this category Ill plead ignorance and cut the budget by 10% just for the sake of cutting it
Unemployment - 324 Billion

The military will have to learn to do more with less. Reform their ways and become a leaner fighting machine. Ill deduct the cost of the WoT off their budget so total funding doesnt change but now the war they are fighting is on their budget.
Military - 515.4 - 145.2 = 370.2 billion for operations + 145.2 for the war = 515.4 billion

WoT - Erased from the federal budget, is now included in the military budget. 0.0

Health and Human services. How is this not already included in the welfare or medicare\medicaid budget? Slashed except for the CDC. Let the states take care of their own.
Can the CDC run off a 20 billion\year budget? They better learn under my iron fist
Heath + Human = 20 billion

Dept of Education is drain and hooks local districts on the big govt tit.
0.0

I'll leave the dept of vet affairs at 44.8 billion. Though I have no idea how their budget is so large and they are so inept. In my second year they will need reforms or good bye.
Vet affairs - 44.8 Billion

Housing and urban development looks like a money pit of govt handouts.
Dept of Urban Dev - 0.0

State and Other international programs looks like more govt handouts to local and international organizations that cant figure out their own budgets. Slashed to a fraction of what we are paying now
State other international programs - 10.0 billion

Homeland security will have to prove they require 37.6 billion for the next budget
Homeland - 37.6 Billion

DoE - 25.0 Billion

Dept of Agriculture - Slashed and burned.
DoA = 0.0

DoJ - 20.3 billion

NASA - 17.6 Billion

Dept of Treasury - Ill keep their funding but they will need to possibly make cuts next yeat
Dept of Tresury - 12.5 Billion

DoI - 10.6 Billion

Dept of Labor - 10.5 Billion

SS Admin should be cut in half due to half as many people on the role.
SS Admin - 4.2 Billion

National Science Foundation - 6.9 Billion
Judicial Branch - 6.3 Billion
Legislative Branch - 4.7 Billion
Corps of Engineers - 4.7 Billion
Executive office of president - 400 million
Small Business Admin - 700 million

No idea what othr falls under but it gets cut 10%.
41 billion

Total before any additions = 1.439 Trillion dollar budget. With tax revenues expected to be about 2.5 trillion I am going to increase funding in Dept of Trans from 11.5 to 23 billion after they submit a proposal to overhaul our nations highway infrastructure. Then we go from there with upto 100 billion to be spent per year under my reign to undergo a modernization program.

Budget is 1.539 Trillion + 260 Billion on interest.

Taxes will remain where they are until debt\gdp returns under 30% then will lower
over time

:thumbsup:

*dreams of 10 lane highways with no traffic in LA *

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: DLeRium
*dreams of 10 lane highways with no traffic in LA *

The number of lanes on highways is typically not the root cause of traffic back ups. Usually it's the city's inability to absorb all the incoming and outgoing traffic during certain periods of the day and traffic accidents.
To actually eliminate all traffic in cites would cost such insane amounts of money, it would be economically damaging. Mass transit for transportation of people is far more energy and financially efficient, much cleaner, and less time consuming. Most mass transit in large cities is poorly funded and managed and if they were the same comfort level, safe and uncrowded as an airline; I'm sure most people would use it (much like Japan).

 

[Chaotic42]

o $144 billion - Social Security -$500B
o $108 billion - Medicare -$300B
o $224 billion - Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program
o $60 billion - Unemployment/Welfare/Other mandatory spending -$300B
o $750 billion - Interest/Payment on National Debt +$490B
o $515.4 billion - United States Department of Defense
o $145.2 billion - Global War on Terror
o $270.4 billion - United States Department of Health and Human Services +200B (AIDS and Cancer research)
o $59.2 billion - United States Department of Education
o $44.8 billion - United States Department of Veterans Affairs
o $38.5 billion - United States Department of Housing and Urban Development
o $38.3 billion - State and Other International Programs
o $37.6 billion - United States Department of Homeland Security
o $125.0 billion - United States Department of Energy +$100B (Nuclear power and research)
o $20.8 billion - United States Department of Agriculture
o $20.3 billion - United States Department of Justice
o $117.6 billion - National Aeronautics and Space Administration +$100B
o $12.5 billion - United States Department of the Treasury
o $11.5 billion - United States Department of Transportation
o $10.6 billion - United States Department of the Interior
o $10.5 billion - United States Department of Labor
o $8.4 billion - Social Security Administration
o $7.1 billion - United States Environmental Protection Agency
o $6.9 billion - National Science Foundation
o $6.3 billion - Judicial branch (United States federal courts)
o $4.7 billion - Legislative branch (United States Congress)
o $4.7 billion - United States Army Corps of Engineers
o $0.4 billion - Executive Office of the President
o $0.7 billion - Small Business Administration
o $46.0 billion - Other

New: $10 billion - Mexican Border Patrol (We'd have to play with the numbers)
New: $200 billion - American Industrial Renovation - Slide manufacturing back to the US.

Of course, this whole thing is so massively complicated that there is certainly a better way to do it, but given what little I know about running the entire country, this is the direction in which I'd like us to head.

 

[MovingTarget]

Eliminate all entitlement programs, theyre just pyramid schemes in disguise.
Eliminate Social Security but...
1. Eliminate SS
Raise age of SS benefits to 76...
Dump (medicare) in favor of letting states take on their own health insurance.
Dump the CHIPS program which is nothing but an attempt to hook the middle class on big govt.
Housing and urban development looks like a money pit of govt handouts.

Hmmmm.....this seems.....familiar......somewhow.....

Conservatives:

Senator: Oh, fellow Members of the Roman Senate, hear me! Shall we continue to build palace after palace for the rich? Or shall we aspire to a more noble purpose, and build decent housing for the poor? How does the Senate vote?
Senators: Fuck the poor!
Senator: Good.

Lefties (who seem a bit absent from this thread):

Stoned Roman Soldier 1 - "So, do you care if it falls?"
Stoned Roman Soldier 2 - "What?"
Stoned Roman Soldier 1 - "The Roman Empire"
Stoned Roman Soldier 2 - "Fuck it!"

 

[walkur]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: walkur
A nice comparison, the expenditures of The Kingdom of the Netherlands of 2009

Numbers in billions

So $200Billion for 16.6million people or $12,000 per person
The US is $3.1Trillion for 303.8million people or $10,200 per person

I don't know what your point is...

A lot less then 200 B, but that was not really my point.

It was more a look in the priorities of the different goverments.
Nothing positive or Negative about either country, just a different perspective.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: walkur

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: walkur
A nice comparison, the expenditures of The Kingdom of the Netherlands of 2009

Numbers in billions

So $200Billion for 16.6million people or $12,000 per person
The US is $3.1Trillion for 303.8million people or $10,200 per person

I don't know what your point is...

A lot less then 200 B, but that was not really my point.

It was more a look in the priorities of the different goverments.
Nothing positive or Negative about either country, just a different perspective.

I just added up your numbers and it was $200B...
CIA Factbook says government expenditures is $400B or $25,000 per person.
That's twice as much spending per capita than the US!