Jhhnn I am sick and tired of your fucking Arab propaganda bullshit, and am really pissed you failed to respond to 3 of my posts. I took the time to respond, only fair you respond in a similar manner.
However, I will fucking own you again simply cause I'm bored and know more than you.
Jhhnn;29353379]You again argue in circles, SamurAchzar.
The "ethnic diversity" you attribute to Israel is a sham, because all the immigrants you reference, who carry some of the characteristics of the people where they lived and intermarried for centuries, are, by the definition of the Israeli govt, "Jewish". Otherwise, they wouldn't have been allowed to immigrate. That's nobody's definition of diversity other than Israelis'.
Israel is one of the most ethnically and religiously diverse country on the planet. It has one of the largest Muslim minorities in the developed world - 15%. Druze and Christian make up 4% of the population, and Jews are 75%. But of the 75% of Jews, more than half are secular.
In fact, proportional to population Israel is more secular than the
United States.
The "rising antisemitism" you reference came to an end with the Third Reich, prior to the formation of Israel. If anything, sympathy for Jews was extremely high in the aftermath, and remains so in much of the world.
More bullshit. Antisemitism never ended. Europe attempted over-come its 20 centuries of antisemitism after WWII. For some time, it worked - but by the 60s and 70s antisemitism returned and now Western Europe accounts for over 50% of all world-wide antisemitic acts. A sizable minority of Europeans - especially in Italy, France, and Ireland - have prejudiced against their Jewish population.
Europe's media is known to be extremely antisemitic and projects hatred of Israel unto its Jewish population. This has increased exponentially with the influx of Arab immigrants.
Witness the knee-jerk reactions of support from many Americans, regardless of Israeli actions
What knee jerk response? I see many users explaining their support for meticulously. Half the posters here posted less than a paragraph. You, however, cannot get passed it. Yes, you won't even recognize it, instead condemning it as knee-jerk activism.
Facts and figures, ahhh....too hard.
. As a nation, America has assumed a mantle of guilt wrt the Holocaust, even though we were not the perpetrators.
LOL! Since when? What a fuckin JOKE. America has protected leaders of the Arab world and have propped up Muslim dictators who romanticize Adolf Hitler.
If anything, the Holocaust served the purposes of Zionists in a way that nothing else possibly could have done- it provided justification for the idea of a "Jewish State".
You are a fucktard. Zionism predates the holocaust. It predates the USA. Hell, it predates Islamic and the Arab identity.
The holocaust created millions of Jewish immigrants who had no place to go. Antisemitism was still rampant in Western Europe, and Jews in the Arab world were being attacked. Jewish nationalism suddenly saw an increase, mostly as a reaction to hateful trolls like yourself.
The truth is that Zionists had been planning and working towards that long before the holocaust, and had basically planned for the removal of non-Jews from their long sought "Jewish State" to be formed from the then British mandate of Palestine.
PROOF? PLEASE PROOF THIS BULLSHIT. Have you read the Jewish state by Herzl? No, of course you haven't. He talks nothing about removing the Arab/Ottoman population of Palestine. And the book was written more than
20 years before the British conquered Palestine, DUMBASS.
Leaders of Etzel, including Jabotinsky, argued for a Zionist state where Arabs and Jews have equal rights. Many early Zionists considered mass-converting Jewish immigrants to Christianity to placate Arab prejudice.
But guess what? In Israel - ARABS AND JEWS HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS!
Now, would you like to know what happened to the Jewish population of the arab world - whose presence predates arab civilization?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands
Ben-Gurion and others admitted as much, many times. When the opportunity arose, they did just that, insofar as they could while maintaining any sort of Image in the process. Which meant that the palestinians who had not fled in 1947 &1948 had to be allowed to remain, even though they're basically treated as second class citizens in many ways.
Proof.
Proof proof proof. Arabs that did not flee during the war - a war started by the Arabs and this is not a dispute - became citizens of Israel.
Period.
Over 200,000 Arabs left voluntarily before the war began, mostly the wealthy arabs, under the impression that the Arabs would conquer Israel.
Israel knew a war was coming well before the Arab's invaded.
After the "pre-emptive" 1967 conquests, Israelis were presented with a very large palestinian population who didn't flee. But they wanted theirwater and agricultural resources, their land, and set out to take it in a very methodical and prolonged process of expropriation and separation, essentially apartheid in every way other than the name.
PROOF?
As stated by many members, Israel has returned
94% of all land captured during the Six Day War for peace with Egypt, Jordan, and the PLO.
Israel was prepared to give up land when they agreed to UN242, which called for a negotiated peace. This was soundly rejected by the Arab's who demanded Israel give back all the land for nothing, or else they would continue their pointless aggression.
Israeli settlements did not begin until 1970s, designed as a buffer zone and send a message to the Arab world that aggressors get occupied. Even then Jewish presence in the West Bank was less than 50,000 well into the 1980s, and overwhelmingly sat on under-developed land.
As far as water is concerned, Arabs of the West Bank only had access to 10% of the water allocated by Jordan. When Israel showed up, Arabs gained
20%.
here are some stats contrasting the standard of living of Arab residents in the West Bank before and after Israeli management:
Some facts about the Israeli occupation of Palestine:"
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Here are facts, of which Arabs or their sympathizers DO NOT want you to know:
DURING
20 YEARS (1947 - 1967) OF
ARAB RULE :
* Palestinian Male life expectancy grew from
42 to 44.
* Palestinian Female life expectancy grew from
45 to 46
* Palestinian Infant mortality rate decreased from
200 per thousand to 170 per thousand.
* Cruse death rate decreased from 21 per thousand to 19 per thousand.
* Before 1967, only
113 hospitals had been built in the territories
* Before 1967 only 23 Mother & Child Centers had been established.
* Before 1967 the percentage of illiterates on average had been
27.8% among men and among women even higher at
65.1%.
DURING THE NEXT
22 YEARS (1967 - 1989) OF
ISRAELI RULE :
* Palestinian Male life expectancy grew from 44 to
63.
* Palestinian Female life expectancy grew from 46 to
67.
* Palestinian Infant mortality rate decreased from 170 per thousand to 60 per thousand.
* Infant mortality rate
decreased from 19 per thousand to 6 per thousand.
*
Malaria, which had existed in the territories before 1967 was finally eliminated during the Israeli occupation.
Israel also more than
tripled the number of Palestinian teachers and boosted the Palestinian educational system by establishing a number of universities. Among them:
College of Scientists (Abu Dis) - est. 1982. (Yeh, that famous Abu-Dis).
College of Social Welfare (El Bira) - est. 1979.
College of Religion (Beit Hanina) - est. 1978
Islamic College in Hebron- est.1971.
Fact: Jordan
banned Arabs in the West Bank from building universities.
By 1983 Israel had helped reduce illiteracy to only
13.5% among men and 38.9% among women.
In 2010, Palestinians have an average life expectancy of
75 - higher than Egypt, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen, India and Indonesia.
Literacy is
91%, 3rd highest in the Middle East - behind Jordan and Israel.
Standard of living has increased exponentially since Arabs gained access into Israel. Over 40,000 Palestinians work in the settlements, and before the intifada 1 in 4 Palestinian families had a member working in Israel.
the West Bank also has one of the fastest growing economies in the Middle East, mostly because of Israel.
Although I'm generally not surprised at any sort of willful blindness by American Righties, their stance wrt Israelis and Palestinians is a truly prime example of it. They rant, rave, and raise hell in general when any part of our own govt exercises the right of eminent domain, compensates the parties for the takings, yet fully support the outright expropriation of palestinian resources which are taken w/o compensation of any sort... those takings are ongoing, deliberate, relentless, and have progressed to a point where the whole idea of a separate palestinian state is basically impossible. They don't have enough left to support themselves, even if Israel set out to make that possible.
The only one ranting and raving is you. I've provided specific facts and numbers that completely demolish your victimhood. Palestinians are one of the most prized people on the planet. Their leadership is richer than any American politician. They are world record holders in humanitarian aid.
And they are the god-fathers of modern terrorism.
You have been owned, sir.
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