Stories like these make me suicidal becasue I can't bear the thought of sharing the planet with people so crazy. If Colangelo's daughter got raped and potentially fatally pregnant, is he going to say "Sorry honey, but you have to die so we can get this kid born"?
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Major League Baseball owner dislikes rape victims
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The man has a different view from yourself on the abortion issue, and you call him crazy.
Since you are the one suicidal over this, maybe you are crazy?
I don't have an opinion on the abortion issue. But I do understand why some people who consider it murder would be against it under any circumstances.
They aren't bad people, just have a different opinion.
The core of the issue is if you believe abortion is murder. These people obviously believe it is murder no matter what, and see no way of justifing the murder of an unborn child. It doesn't make them stupid. It doesn't mean they hate rape victims. It simply means that they will not condone murder under any circumstances.
That being said, opinions are like... well, you know the rest.
Ryan
That being said, opinions are like... well, you know the rest.
Ryan
No, you are wrong here. It has nothing to do with a sense of self satisfaction. I'm curious as to what leads you to that sort of opinion. The fact is that this group of people believes that aborting and unborn child is murder. They will not condone these murders for any reason. Now, whether their opinion is right or wrong is another question. However, their opinion does not make them "evil".
Here is a thought experiment for you jaeger... If a woman is murdered while carrying a child, or someone intentionally does something to a woman to cause her child to be aborted, then they can be (and typically are) charged with the murder of the unborn child. Fundamentally what sets that senario apart from a woman going in to have her pregnancy terminated? In both instances an unborn child is removed from the mother and "dies". I haven't heard any compelling arguments as to why one situation is different from the other.
Now, this all being said, you may make some assumptions as to my opinion on abortion. Don't, as you will likely be completely wrong. What I'm trying to point out is that you are making some significant assumptions about these people that support the anti-abortion crusade without trying to understand their point of view.
Ryan
HendrixFan
Diamond Member
All we need is for one of the liberal supreme court justices to retire, and Bush will (100% certain) appoint a pro-life judge. That will tip the scale 5-4 in favor of abortion to 5-4 in opposition. It will effectively outlaw abortion. I guarantee if one of the liberal justices retires, that will happen with Bush in office.
The "opinion" argument only goes so far. I can't murder somebody becasue it's my opinion that they needed to die. But the law in this country says a woman has the right to decide, which is different than if the termination comes through being shot or otherwise assaulted. Giving money to a foundation that wishes to remove a person's right to save her life is...I'm sorry but it's just evil.
Turin39789
Lifer
I agree that abortion threads tend to be a waste of all our time. But I believe what he was getting at, is the fact that abortions have been taking place for a loooong time, and even when they are not on the up and up, they still happen. People will leave the country, find some doctor their or here that is not regulated and get it done. I am sure, as the modern form is not its only form, that their are herbs and other physical means to abort a fetus. When its illegal, there is a higher chance that we not just lose the babies, but we also lose our daughters who carry them.
Night
What gets me here is just the hypocrisy, because you can't tell me that if abortion was outlawed that the rich politicians who made it happen wouldn't fly their daughters off to Sweden to get one post-haste should it become necessary. Like you said, those less fortunate will resort to coat hangers and vacuum cleaners. The problem is only compounded by these same politicians who want sex ed and contraception removed from school curriculum.
There is already a thread open on the matter. Maybe you should do search, and post it in there thread I would gladly debate you there.
You are trying to change the subjects and bring in bits and pieces of other threads because this debate is not exactly going your way. Trying to change the subject and argue two things at once maybe a bit too much for you, since you couldn't even develope a convincing argument for your original post.
That said, I don't need to steal anything. Why would I need to steal electricity if my local energy company was giving it to me for 4 bucks a month of their own free will and negligence? LOL 🙂 It would be like stealing a car when a dealer is giving you a brand new one for 300 bucks.
I don't go around moralizing on these abortion subjects because I don't care about them. I am an atheist, and a registered democrat. Frankly I am undecided on the abortion issue. Mostly because it's not very relevant to me, so I didn't give it much thought. At the same time, claiming that someone who is against abortion is crazy or dislikes rape victims, and even feeling suicidal over the whole thing, is very misguided, and I was just pointing it out to you.
The thought experiement was designed to help you realize that it is reasonable to believe that ending an unborn child's life is murder. This group of people feel that murdering an unborn child is unacceptable no matter the situation. Thus, they are forming an organization to try and stop the murder of an unborn child. What they are doing is perfectly reasonable, and it isn't evil. Whether they are right or wrong is another question that we don't need to try and answer. I'm trying to help you see things from their perspective instead of simply saying "They are evil.", but I think you may be too fired up. *sigh*
Ryan