Major issue with Xbox 360 1080p over VGA on 24" LCD's

[Woofmeister]

I'm merely pointing out that you don't need a governmental or industry standard when you are describing something that is a fundamental characteristic of the term. Something that at least three manufacturers understand since they describe the 1080p resolution in their marketing.

For the last time, prove your point--show me a claimed 1080p television with a resolution that is less than 1920 x 1080 or go home.

 

[rbV5]

I'm merely pointing out that you don't need a governmental or industry standard when you are describing something that is a fundamental characteristic of the term.

You think so? I don't think so, and neither do the players in the space apparently:

The world?s biggest flatscreen TV makers have failed to agree on common terminology for high-end LCD TV and Blu-ray displays.

confusion-reigns-over-1080p-tv-terminology
excerpt:The world?s biggest flatscreen TV makers have failed to agree on common terminology for high-end LCD TV and Blu-ray displays. Japanese consumer watchdogs have been concerned about the use of differing phrases to describe various levels of 1080 pixel resolution, claiming that they confuse buyers.
The debate was sparked when Sharp used the term ?full-spec Hi-Vision? for its flagship LCD TVs. Hi-Vision is the common term for HDTV broadcasting in Japan.
Its competitors cried foul, but since then the Japan Electronics and Information Technology Industries Association has only managed to offer a woolly guideline that says it is ?desirable? to quote pixel resolution. The main plasma vendors are unhappy with this, claiming that it ignores aspects such as motion resolution (LCD detail drops considerably when an object is moving).
Consequently, a variety of unqualified terminology continues to be used to describe high-end screens, such as ?Full Hi-Vision? and ?Full HD.?
At the recent SINOCES Expo in China, similar confusion reigned as manufacturers of LCD screens claimed widespread 1080p compatibility, regardless of the resolution of TV panels.

Go home? get real, repeating the same crap over and over doesn't make you right pal.

 

[Woofmeister]

So since you had to got all the way to China to find some mention of claimed 1080p "compatibility" being somehow unrelated to unspecified panel resolution, I take it you are conceding the point that a manufacturer selling a 1080p panel in the U.S. had better have 1920 x1080 resolution?

Still waiting to see a claimed 1080p LCD for sale that has a resolution less than 1920x1080. We know from my links that it won't be a Sony, Samsung or Fujitsu.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: Woofmeister
So since you had to got all the way to China to find some mention of claimed 1080p "compatibility" being somehow unrelated to unspecified panel resolution, I take it you are conceding the point that a manufacturer selling a 1080p panel in the U.S. had better have 1920 x1080 resolution?

Still waiting to see a claimed 1080p LCD for sale that has a resolution less than 1920x1080. We know from my links that it won't be a Sony, Samsung or Fujitsu.

Still waiting for you to provide a link to this so called standard that holds manufacturers to specific specifications on what constitutes a 1080p display. You've only shown that manufacturers themselves are determining what is what, which is still eactly my contention.

The fact is, is that the Asian market confusion reflects the the marketplace as a whole, seeems to me that that is were the vast majority of displays are being manufactured is it not?. SINOCES maybe an extreme example with vendors showing 17" LCD panels touting 1080p, but I also see a 1080p "Full HD" Sanyo panel at 7.1". Link

I see plenty of primarily early displays that fail to resolve 1080i even if they are full resolution 1080p panels, dlp technology that uses half horizontal resolution mirror density and "wombulation" to provide the full 1080p, many displays that won't accept 1080p input from any connection...ect ect.

To stand there and say that

I'm merely pointing out that you don't need a governmental or industry standard when you are describing something that is a fundamental characteristic of the term

is nonsense considering the amount of issues carried over from 720p displays and now 1080p displays and even PC displays.

Take a look at the stickied LCD thread about how willing manufacturers are to part with their actual specifications, what actual panels they use, manufacturing changes and how they use marketing terms and fudge terminology.

The OP topic itself is typical of what will likely see as more consumers get into the marketplace and more content/hardware becomes available that takes advantage(or attemtps to take advantage) of these displays.

 

[PerfectCr]

Originally posted by: xtreme26

Originally posted by: PerfectCr

Originally posted by: MDE
Dumb question, what's wrong with component input?

It's doesn't do 1080p.

Yes it does

No it does not. The Samsung 244t does NOT accept 1080p over component.

 

[solgae1784]

Originally posted by: PerfectCr

Originally posted by: xtreme26

Originally posted by: PerfectCr

Originally posted by: MDE
Dumb question, what's wrong with component input?

It's doesn't do 1080p.

Yes it does

No it does not. The Samsung 244t does NOT accept 1080p over component.

Technically 1080p CAN be accepted via component perfectly, like the westinghouse 37w3 or 42w2. But some TV/monitor sets don't support 1080p over component. Those that DO support is quite rare. I'm not sure if Samsung 244T accepts 1080p over component. I know that Dell 2407FPW doesn't.

Then again, both monitors have problems with widescreen resolution via component. Not to mention that there's a lot of reports on Dell's component input being horrible.

 

[CreepieDeCrapper]

I got lost reading this thread but thought I'd post my question here since it seems similar. I have the Dell 2407 (native res of 1920x1200) and hooked my friend's 360 to it last night. The closest setting for 360 is 1920x1080 (which my monitor supports). However, no matter what I tried, I could NOT get the image to display in a 1:1 pixel ratio. Iow, the image stretched vertically on the display. I really want the top and bottom black bars so the display is tighter and in correct proportions.

I tried messing with the ATI Catalyst settings but that didn't work. My monitor's OSD has this option grayed-out, all the time!

Anyone have a solution for this?

 

[Rage187]

Originally posted by: CreepieDeCrapper
I got lost reading this thread but thought I'd post my question here since it seems similar. I have the Dell 2407 (native res of 1920x1200) and hooked my friend's 360 to it last night. The closest setting for 360 is 1920x1080 (which my monitor supports). However, no matter what I tried, I could NOT get the image to display in a 1:1 pixel ratio. Iow, the image stretched vertically on the display. I really want the top and bottom black bars so the display is tighter and in correct proportions.

I tried messing with the ATI Catalyst settings but that didn't work. My monitor's OSD has this option grayed-out, all the time!

Anyone have a solution for this?

the 2407 has an option to display 1:1 pixel mapping.

try digging through the OSD

edit: hmm I see the option is greyed out. try resetting the monitor by unplugging it for 30secs.

edit 2: are you using component or the vga cables?

 

[CreepieDeCrapper]

I'm using the VGA cable for the 360. I'll try the hard reset next time.