Major FBI scandal over Larry Nassar sexual abuse matter

[woolfe9998]

So the Senate is conducting hearings on Larry Nassar's abuse of over 300 female athletes, most of them gymnasts. There was evidently an IG report issued saying that the FBI mishandled the allegations, allowing Nassar's abuse to go on for several more years.

Several US gymnasts testified. Among them Simone Biles and McKayla Moroney.

McKayla Maroney: FBI made "entirely false claims about what I said"

Four top US gymnasts testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee during a hearing about the FBI's handling of the sex abuse investigation of former USA Gymnastics doctor Larry Nassar. Follow here for the latest news.

www.cnn.com

Moroney says, among other things, that the FBI intentionally falsified her account of the abuse she suffered in an attempt to minimize it. Apparently when they got around to issuing a report, the report was a very watered down version of the allegations she made.

"After telling my entire story of abuse to the FBI in the summer of 2015, not only did the FBI not report my abuse, but when they eventually documented my report, 17 months later, they made entirely false claims about what I said," she said.

And also offered a graphic account of things she told the FBI.

Maroney, another former Olympian, offered haunting details of being sexually assaulted by Nassar, including an incident in Japan a decade ago, when she was 15. She said she thought he would kill her.

“That evening I was naked, completely alone, with him on top of me, molesting me for hours,” Maroney told the hushed Senate hearing room.

She tells them things like this and they blow if off and lie about it in their reports?

Several Senators have called for criminal prosecution of two FBI agents who investigated this, based on their falsification of statements made to them by the victims, in an apparent attempt to minimize them. Intentionally.

My question is, why? Is it that they realized this was a complex case with 100's of victims and abuse occurring over decades and they were just too lazy to pursue the matter? I can't honestly think of any better explanation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/gymnasts-nassar-fbi-investigation-hearing/2021/09/14/de4832cc-159f-11ec-9589-31ac3173c2e5_story.html

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Michigan State University needs to be dragged into this also since they've been covering part of it up.

 

[woolfe9998]

Michigan State University needs to be dragged into this also since they've been covering part of it up.

Sure, but this is a Senate hearing. The Senate has oversight over the FBI, but not MSU.

 

[Sunburn74]

I personally am over it. I mean so many adults failed. Where were the parents? I just think the FBI is like number 6 or 7 in line of failures here. I mean when your daughter is testifying to FBI agents about being molested serially, you've kinda failed

 

[Zorba]

I think police generally try to ignore crimes that woukd require real investigations, but this seems like a fairly easy case for the FBI.

 

[Zorba]

I personally am over it. I mean so many adults failed. Where were the parents? I just think the FBI is like number 6 or 7 in line of failures here.

Many times purposefully separated from their kids so the kids could be controlled and abused (mentally and physically) better.

Once you learn how the national team was treated, it would be much more shocking to find out that there hadn't been sexual abuse.

Also many girls were assaulted with their parents in the room. He insisted it was legitimate medical procedures and would also position himself so the parents couldn't see what he actually did. The kid then assumed it was normal because their parents didn't stop it.

I guarantee there is a lot more of this going on in sports than just this case too. Children's sports create the perfect environment for nonfamilial abuse.

 

[uclaLabrat]

I personally am over it. I mean so many adults failed. Where were the parents? I just think the FBI is like number 6 or 7 in line of failures here. I mean when your daughter is testifying to FBI agents about being molested serially, you've kinda failed

Yeah, see zorbas post about why your victim blaming attempt at deflection is ridiculously stupid.

 

[Sunburn74]

Many times purposefully separated from their kids so the kids could be controlled and abused (mentally and physically) better.

Once you learn how the national team was treated, it would be much more shocking to find out that there hadn't been sexual abuse.

Also many girls were assaulted with their parents in the room. He insisted it was legitimate medical procedures and would also position himself so the parents couldn't see what he actually did. The kid then assumed it was normal because their parents didn't stop it.

I guarantee there is a lot more of this going on in sports than just this case too. Children's sports create the perfect environment for nonfamilial abuse.

Yeah I find it hard to believe still. I mean what would be your response if your daughter was testifying to the FBI about a teacher or coach at her school. You think you'd keep her at that school? Keep her with that teacher or coach? Zero chance. I think there was probably some willful neglect on the part of parents on this. 200 girls all said the same thing and no parents did anything. Hard to say that Nassar was that crafty from what we know. He was pretty brazen about it.

I fully agree with you that the environment was a perfect setup (kids trying to make the Olympic team). But I just think the FBI is like failure number 7 or 10, not failure number 1.

 

[nakedfrog]

I personally am over it. I mean so many adults failed. Where were the parents? I just think the FBI is like number 6 or 7 in line of failures here. I mean when your daughter is testifying to FBI agents about being molested serially, you've kinda failed

I guess I don't get exactly what you're saying. Nothing to be done, shrug, move on? Parents screwed up, so don't bother going after anyone? Help me out here.

 

[Zorba]

Yeah I find it hard to believe still. I mean what would be your response if your daughter was testifying to the FBI about a teacher or coach at her school. You think you'd keep her at that school? Keep her with that teacher or coach? Zero chance. I think there was probably some willful neglect on the part of parents on this. 200 girls all said the same thing and no parents did anything. Hard to say that Nassar was that crafty from what we know. He was pretty brazen about it.

I fully agree with you that the environment was a perfect setup (kids trying to make the Olympic team). But I just think the FBI is like failure number 7 or 10, not failure number 1.

She had nothing to do with US Gymnastics by 2015 when she was talking to the FBI.

I agree with you that their was likely a lot of willful ignorance among many that should've been looking out for the kids. But again, the environment is about as close to a predator's dream as there could be. Parents and kids knew if they pushed back at all, their dreams were over like what happened to Maggie Nichols.

The FBI still had an obligation to investigate this, though.

 

[woolfe9998]

Yeah I find it hard to believe still. I mean what would be your response if your daughter was testifying to the FBI about a teacher or coach at her school. You think you'd keep her at that school? Keep her with that teacher or coach? Zero chance. I think there was probably some willful neglect on the part of parents on this. 200 girls all said the same thing and no parents did anything. Hard to say that Nassar was that crafty from what we know. He was pretty brazen about it.

I fully agree with you that the environment was a perfect setup (kids trying to make the Olympic team). But I just think the FBI is like failure number 7 or 10, not failure number 1.

No one denies that other adults had fault in this. The problem with the FBI here is that they appear to have purposefully falsified statements made to them by the victims. That is much worse than just not trying hard enough to investigate. That is serious misconduct, and likely criminal.

 

[Sunburn74]

No one denies that other adults had fault in this. The problem with the FBI here is that they appear to have purposefully falsified statements made to them by the victims. That is much worse than just not trying hard enough to investigate. That is serious misconduct, and likely criminal.

Agreed. There should be an investigation and the people in the FBI involved should be punished severely. But I think there are many other things that could and should be done to prevent this from ever happening again and from ever reaching the point where the FBI needs to be involved. That's really I guess my point and position.

 

[woolfe9998]

Curious what Jim Jordan has to say about this. I assume he is supporting the FBI here since he thinks ignoring abuse allegations from young athletes is such a great idea.

I'm not so much trying to be partisan here as pointing out that this kind of thing has been going on for a long time and obviously isn't an isolated case.

 

[hal2kilo]

Agreed. There should be an investigation and the people in the FBI involved should be punished severely. But I think there are many other things that could and should be done to prevent this from ever happening again and from ever reaching the point where the FBI needs to be involved. That's really I guess my point and position.

The whole "private gyms" thing seems scary, with benefactors with possible odd motives.. Do these places have even the basic Girls Scouts rules. My ex had to get a clearance background check to be a scout leader, and there is NEVER a one on one situation allowed to occur.

 

[woolfe9998]

In case you're curious about about the seriousness of FBI misconduct here, I read over most of the IG report.

https://oig.justice.gov/sites/default/files/reports/21-093.pdf

Not only were the most serious allegations made (penetrative rape) left out of their reports, which contain only references to touching which made them feel uncomfortable, but one of the FBI agents was caught repeatedly lying to the IG during the investigation. And:

The Nassar investigation was undoubtedly an “issue of major public importance” that involved not only USA Gymnastics but also the U.S. Olympic Committee, given that the U.S. Olympic Committee was connected to both USA Gymnastics and the gymnasts who were victimized by Nassar. While the FBI’s Nassar investigation was ongoing, Abbott contacted both of these entities—USA Gymnastics in the form of emails to Penny and the U.S. Olympic Committee in the form of a job application—regarding a future employment opportunity with the U.S. Olympic Committee.

Wow, that's bad. Really, really had. This guy needs to go to prison.

 

[MrSquished]

What in God's name would motivate an FBI agent to protect that guy? It's just bizarre, besides just ingrained misogyny that minimizes the experience of women and girls. If that agent was a guy.

 

[vi edit]

I'm surprised a parent hasn't put this guy down yet.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

What in God's name would motivate an FBI agent to protect that guy? I

Same as the small town Ohio basketball thing, Cosby, Weinstein and so many others. 'Celebrities and sports figures can't possibly have done wrong and these accusers are just out to get them ...... '

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

I'm surprised a parent hasn't put this guy down yet.

What guy? Nassar? They tried.

 

[Zorba]

What in God's name would motivate an FBI agent to protect that guy? It's just bizarre, besides just ingrained misogyny that minimizes the experience of women and girls. If that agent was a guy.

Sex crime departments should be at least 50% female. I think females would be much less likely to bury it.

In fact it was a female cop at MSU that finally brought him down.

 

[eelw]

But also the gymnast's themselves felt guilty. Aly Raisman said she had many young girls say to her, oh I want to follow your path and also have that doctor treat me.

 

[dawp]

Victims of Larry Nassar to file $1 billion in claims against FBI

Victims of sports doctor Larry Nassar said they plan on Wednesday to file a series of tort claims against the FBI seeking a collective total of about $1 billion.

abcnews.go.com

looks like the FBI is in a would of hurt because of those 2 agents.

 

[woolfe9998]

Victims of Larry Nassar to file $1 billion in claims against FBI

Victims of sports doctor Larry Nassar said they plan on Wednesday to file a series of tort claims against the FBI seeking a collective total of about $1 billion.

abcnews.go.com

looks like the FBI is in a would of hurt because of those 2 agents.

That's good as they deserve compensation here, but when the federal government is sued, it is the taxpayer who foots the bill. So we're going to be compensating them, not those agents who purposefully falsified their statements and buried them for over a year. And unfortunately your article says this:

The lawsuit comes as the Justice Department declined for the third time to pursue criminal charges against FBI agents who failed to properly investigate allegations of abuse by Nassar.

Since they obviously can't pay a civil judgment, the criminal action was the only way to punish them. So it looks like they're getting away scot free.

 

[Moonbeam]

Perhaps if people ever wake up to their civic responsibilities and powers they will see to it that laws are passed that take fines like this not out of the general fund but the responsible agencies budget, and particularly the salaries of those in charge of supervision.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Not sure which is the original thread, or if there is one, but Dude's been ventilated.

Disgraced USA Gymnastics doctor Larry Nassar is stabbed multiple times in prison​

The inmate required immediate "life-saving measures" after an assault in a federal prison in Florida, officials told NPR.



I don't care who you are or what you've done, this should not happen in a secure facility.