Major drone attack cripples Saudi oil production

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Jhhnn

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Meanwhile.... Iranian cruise missiles and drones used

It has been more than three days since Saudi Arabia’s oil infrastructure was crippled and, as the investigation continues, fingers are pointing toward Iran as not only the perpetrator, but also the launch territory.
U.S. officials told Fox News on Tuesday that Iranian cruise missiles and drones were both used in the attack on the two Saudi Arabian oil facilities, and that they were fired from inside southwest Iran.
If this is our government's official statement on the attack, I don't see how they can justify avoiding a full scale military response.

It's not official. It's running it up the flagpole to see how many people salute.
 

Bitek

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It has nothing to do with protecting Saudi per se, but everything to do with the global economic and security issues this presents. The U.S. would not be acting on behalf of the Saudis, but entirely for their own self-interest. 20% of the worlds oil is shipped from the Persian Gulf. There are other oil producing countries, namely Kuwait, UAE and Iraq and are equally vulnerable to similar attacks. The turmoil that would hit the global economy is tremendous. That from an economic perspective.

From a security perspective, a potential nightmare now stares everyone in the face. Civilian installations, airports, vital infrastructures of other countries now face the same potential threats and from a good distance. A lot of angry misfits, terrorists have now gotten ideas from the attack on the Saudis and its only a matter of time before their ideas could be put into action.

Also, the U.S. would not want to go to battle without the approval of the Saudis. Since its their own country that would face the brunt of any further attacks in response to any military action the U.S. does.

Flying bombs into buildings was a Saudi innovation.

Trump called this their 9/11.

I think we should be able helpful to them now as they were to us on that day.
 

Jaskalas

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And you believe this govt. You do remember who is in charge of this govt.? And you believe them?

Remember a wee place called Iraq?

I had not seen our government's position on the matter presented in this topic. Sharing the news IN NO WAY offers an opinion on that news, unless otherwise given. What I did say is how troubling this development is. Whether it is true or not, if we say an Ally was attacked militarily, the need to save face requires a brutal response.

Our government cannot "lie" on a matter this important, without also needing to act on it. Given what it is they are claiming.

The statement itself, unless discredited, carries with it damning consequences.
 

Jhhnn

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I had not seen our government's position on the matter presented in this topic. Sharing the news IN NO WAY offers an opinion on that news, unless otherwise given. What I did say is how troubling this development is. Whether it is true or not, if we say an Ally was attacked militarily, the need to save face requires a brutal response.

Our government cannot "lie" on a matter this important, without also needing to act on it. Given what it is they are claiming.

The statement itself, unless discredited, carries with it damning consequences.

It's not an official statement. It's anonymously sourced Trump admin bullshit.
 
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I had not seen our government's position on the matter presented in this topic. Sharing the news IN NO WAY offers an opinion on that news, unless otherwise given. What I did say is how troubling this development is. Whether it is true or not, if we say an Ally was attacked militarily, the need to save face requires a brutal response.

Our government cannot "lie" on a matter this important, without also needing to act on it. Given what it is they are claiming.

The statement itself, unless discredited, carries with it damning consequences.

It's like you slept right through the buildup to Iraq. Bloody amazing.
 
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ivwshane

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It's like you slept right through the buildup to Iraq. Bloody amazing.

You forget that at his core he's still a righty. Granted he's a woke righty but he's still a righty. At the core of a righty is their desire to get revenge for 9/11 and they will back any attack on the middle east regardless of their connection to 9/11. Believing a president unquestionably, who holds similar mental deficiencies, is a matter of patriotism to them.

9/11 and I'm sure moonbeam can speak to this, shook the conservative mental fear centers so badly that it damaged their perception of reality itself.
 
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amenx

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Flying bombs into buildings was a Saudi innovation.

Trump called this their 9/11.

I think we should be able helpful to them now as they were to us on that day.
Confusing fanatic lunatics with the act of a state they seek to destroy doesnt make sense. Secondly, what possible motive could the Saudis have to conspire in such a brazen attack against their no.1 protector in the region? I dont know man, I just find it silly for peeps to throw out one-line conspiracy ideas with zero thought as to its feasibility.
 

ivwshane

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Confusing fanatic lunatics with the act of a state they seek to destroy doesnt make sense. Secondly, what possible motive could the Saudis have to conspire in such a brazen attack against their no.1 protector in the region? I dont know man, I just find it silly for peeps to throw out one-line conspiracy ideas with zero thought as to its feasibility.

This administration is pretty motivated by money and no amount is too small for them to go after. So I'd start by asking; how can trump and pals gain from this financially?
 
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HomerJS

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This administration lies 1-2 dozen times/day. How can we believe anything they say when it comes to Iran?

Anyone notice while we are blaming them, SA has yet to corroborate and they would know better then most.
 

KMFJD

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Poor uncle sam
 

Jhhnn

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Reports! Sightings! Accusations! Innuendo! Contrivance! It's time to panic! America to the rescue! Must bomb Iran!
 
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Bitek

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Confusing fanatic lunatics with the act of a state they seek to destroy doesnt make sense. Secondly, what possible motive could the Saudis have to conspire in such a brazen attack against their no.1 protector in the region? I dont know man, I just find it silly for peeps to throw out one-line conspiracy ideas with zero thought as to its feasibility.

The kingdom pushed Wahabism and extremist madrassas across the globe to further their own national interest.

Their leader is the one who ordered the kidnapping and beheading of a US based journalist and father to a US citizen.

They are the ones fighting a proxy war in Yemen against Iran.

They are constantly trying to align us with them, their oil interests, and against Iran.

Now Trump and warmongering Republicans are calling to put American lives at stake (once again) to protect their shit?
The American military is at MBS' beck and call?

Fuck. That.
Fuck them.
Not our problem.
 

thilanliyan

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Sweet, our armed forces are now mercs for hire! Erik Prince will be so proud. If we go to war and lose any soldiers over this, I’m sure their families will be happy to accept blood money compensation from MBS.
Hahaha....that "payment" he mentioned is ONLY for the arms manufacturers...none of it is going to families of soldiers KIA.
 
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JTsyo

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Al Qaeda was funded by the House of Saud and the House of Saud continues to fund the global madrasa system that cranks out Wahhabi nutjobs that fill Al Qaeda's (and ISIS) ranks. Saudi Arabia is despotic monarchy with a well advanced surveillance state yet we are to believe that Saud subjects and funds can continue to flow into Al Qaeda without the blessing of the House of Saud?

Plus having the troublemakers out fighting westerns ensures they are not in SA making trouble.
 

JTsyo

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Can someone explain to me how the Saudis get to decide if our soldiers are put in harms way?

We have no treaty with SA and the attack on their oil fields was not an attack on the United States.

Constitutional much? Do any of you care?
I don't think we have a literal treaty but there was some kind of agreement for us to protect SA while they only accept US dollars for oil sales.

In a series of meetings, the United States and the Saudi royal family made an agreement. The United States would offer military protection for Saudi Arabia’s oil fields, and in return the Saudi's would price their oil sales exclusively in United States dollars (in other words, the Saudis were to refuse all other currencies, except the U.S. dollar, as payment for their oil exports).
 

Bitek

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I don't think we have a literal treaty but there was some kind of agreement for us to protect SA while they only accept US dollars for oil sales.

Which is why we need to be divert a bunch of those billions upon billions of dollars that flow into the military and plow it in to renewable energy and battery tech and free us from the yoke of the petro economy.

Republicans just want to prop up oil barons and their 20th century technology with American taxpayer's blood and treasure.
 

CZroe

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How dare I talk critical of my masters. At least they've trained you well. Be a lap dog if you like. You can call me whatever you like. Words don't hurt me. Have a nice day.

Yes. You totally shouldn't be ridiculed for your ridiculous and anti-semitic assertion that a particular minority is oppressing and controlling the world to nefarious ends (your personal disadvantage). You totally aren't casting blame for perceived ills on a vague and nebulous boogieman to make yourself feel better. Nope.
 
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Yes. You totally shouldn't be ridiculed for your ridiculous and anti-semitic assertion that a particular minority is oppressing and controlling the world to nefarious ends (your personal disadvantage). You totally aren't casting blame for perceived ills on a vague and nebulous boogieman to make yourself feel better. Nope.

Don't wear yourself out punching all that straw.
 
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Juiblex

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Yes. You totally shouldn't be ridiculed for your ridiculous and anti-semitic assertion that a particular minority is oppressing and controlling the world to nefarious ends (your personal disadvantage). You totally aren't casting blame for perceived ills on a vague and nebulous boogieman to make yourself feel better. Nope.
If its your progative to ignore the evidence that's up to you. I am not. We can agree to disagree if you like. You aren't going to convince me nor are you going to embarrass me and vice versa. So lets go our separate ways.