Mahindra pickup finally gets reviewed.

[Arkaign]

There wasn't a 4.2L in a 92 wrangler unless he did an engine swap, they were discontinued in '90.

You're right, I realized that after doing some research today, maybe he bought it in '92 and it was older, I'll send him a FB message or txt and see. I know for sure only the following :

Sahara edition
Boxy rectangle headlights
Super basic interior
4.2L, manual transmission

 

[Arkaign]

Wow that's a flat torque curve.

I know, wow is all I can say. Such a smooth delivery of power on that thing, and the HP keeps climbing steadily to the 300 mark, this thing looks like a great combo of good daily driving motor along with utility and the low end torque to deliver usable power in perfect doses whenever you need. It's perhaps expecting too much, but I wonder if the fuel economy will also be fairly decent (as good as you can expect given the boxy shape it goes in).

 

[WackyDan]

First company that comes out with a small to mid-sized truck with a diesel engine that can tow 6000-7000 pounds has me trading my Dakota V6.

This new truck comes so close... 30 MPG? Awesome! 5000 pounds with a 2.5 litre? Awesome... I think that is what most people are missing here.

The US manufacturers don't want to build one, as they found their mid-sized models competed against their 1/2 ton trucks. My money goes to the first one that does.

 

[ShawnD1]

First company that comes out with a small to mid-sized truck with a diesel engine that can tow 6000-7000 pounds has me trading my Dakota V6.

Towing isn't limited by the engine or the transmission. What trucks lack is stopping power. Not just the brakes overheating, but the tires can't handle the forces involved. It's easier to think of it in terms of an extreme example. If you had your Dakota hooked up to a trailer that was 30,000 pounds and you tried stopping, what would happen? The tires lock up and the thing skids. That's the type of problem small trucks have with 7000 pound trailers.

If you can find a way to supply braking power to the trailer, then you can haul anything you want. You could tow a horse trailer with a Prius if you really wanted to as long as the trailer has its own braking system and the frame of the towing vehicle can handle it and you don't try turning or going up hills.

 

[LTC8K6]

Towing isn't limited by the engine or the transmission. What trucks lack is stopping power. Not just the brakes overheating, but the tires can't handle the forces involved. It's easier to think of it in terms of an extreme example. If you had your Dakota hooked up to a trailer that was 30,000 pounds and you tried stopping, what would happen? The tires lock up and the thing skids. That's the type of problem small trucks have with 7000 pound trailers.

If you can find a way to supply braking power to the trailer, then you can haul anything you want. You could tow a horse trailer with a Prius if you really wanted to as long as the trailer has its own braking system and the frame of the towing vehicle can handle it and you don't try turning or going up hills.

Heavy trailers generally have their own brakes. A 7Klb trailer would have it's own brakes.

Straight from my owner's manual:

Trailer brakes are recommended for trailers over 1,000
lbs (454 kg) and required for trailers in excess of 2,000
lbs (907 kg).

This is from a Ford Ranger manual, and it says the same thing, just in a different way:

GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating) – is the maximum allowable
weight of the vehicle and the loaded trailer – including all cargo and
passengers – that the vehicle can handle without risking damage.
(Important: The towing vehicle’s braking system is rated for operation at
GVWR, not at GCWR.) Separate functional brakes should be used for
safe control of towed vehicles and for trailers where the GCW of the
towing vehicle plus the trailer exceed the GVWR of the towing vehicle.

 

[Bignate603]

You're right, I realized that after doing some research today, maybe he bought it in '92 and it was older, I'll send him a FB message or txt and see. I know for sure only the following :

Sahara edition
Boxy rectangle headlights
Super basic interior
4.2L, manual transmission

I'm not sure what years the Sahara was available, but otherwise you're describing an early YJ wrangler that puts it somewhere between the wrangler's introduction in 1987 until the engine after 1990.

 

[WackyDan]

Towing isn't limited by the engine or the transmission. What trucks lack is stopping power. Not just the brakes overheating, but the tires can't handle the forces involved. It's easier to think of it in terms of an extreme example. If you had your Dakota hooked up to a trailer that was 30,000 pounds and you tried stopping, what would happen? The tires lock up and the thing skids. That's the type of problem small trucks have with 7000 pound trailers.

If you can find a way to supply braking power to the trailer, then you can haul anything you want. You could tow a horse trailer with a Prius if you really wanted to as long as the trailer has its own braking system and the frame of the towing vehicle can handle it and you don't try turning or going up hills.

Bull shit. Lets refine your statement. A dodge Dakota with the 4.7 V8 is rated to tow 7000 pounds. You have never owned a truck or towed anything based on your statement. My V6 Dakota is rated to tow 5000 pounds. Nobody ever tries to tow what you've implied with even a 3500 series diesel.

Go back to your sandbox tonkas.

 

[LTC8K6]

If you can find a way to supply braking power to the trailer, then you can haul anything you want.

Yeah, maybe they could put brakes on the trailer...that's the ticket!

Hey, maybe you could even control those trailer brakes from the cab of the truck with a knob or switch...

Why didn't someone think of this before?

I think you're on to something...

 

[ShawnD1]

Bull shit. Lets refine your statement. A dodge Dakota with the 4.7 V8 is rated to tow 7000 pounds. You have never owned a truck or towed anything based on your statement. My V6 Dakota is rated to tow 5000 pounds. Nobody ever tries to tow what you've implied with even a 3500 series diesel.

Go back to your sandbox tonkas.

Your truck is a pile of shit if it can't tow 7000 with trailer braking. If you ever go camping, you'll notice that lots of people are pulling 8,000-10,000 pound fifth wheel campers with trucks that are no bigger than a Dodge Dakota or Toyota Tacoma.
I also like how you had to include the engine size, as if engine power had ANYTHING to do with towing capacity. You're saying a modern V8 with over 300HP can only pull 7000, but a 1980s Ford F150 with half as much power can easily pull more than that.

OMG LOOK HOW STUPID HE IS.

Here is a Dodge Dakota pulling a fifth wheel camper.

 

[LTC8K6]

Your truck is a pile of shit if it can't tow 7000 with trailer braking. If you ever go camping, you'll notice that lots of people are pulling 8,000-10,000 pound fifth wheel campers with trucks that are no bigger than a Dodge Dakota or Toyota Tacoma.
I also like how you had to include the engine size, as if engine power had ANYTHING to do with towing capacity. You're saying a modern V8 with over 300HP can only pull 7000, but a 1980s Ford F150 with half as much power can easily pull more than that.

OMG LOOK HOW STUPID HE IS.

Here is a Dodge Dakota pulling a fifth wheel camper.

That's a full size Ram, not a Dakota...

And I don't think the above is an F-150 given the lugs...

 

[desy]

Yes that looks like a 250
pulling on dead flat ground is different than any type of hills too, lots will attempt to pull heavey than spec on flat and it probably doesn't hurt them any, but 5th wheel trailers aren't 10,000 lb for most of them, the two you shown would be 4500 to 7000

 

[ShawnD1]

Yes that looks like a 250
pulling on dead flat ground is different than any type of hills too, lots will attempt to pull heavey than spec on flat and it probably doesn't hurt them any, but 5th wheel trailers aren't 10,000 lb for most of them, the two you shown would be 4500 to 7000

You'd be surprised how heavy fifth wheel campers are. A Coachmen Chaparrel "Lite" is 6500 to 7900 pounds empty. That's a pretty standard trailer and I see those things pulled by Toyota Tacomas or beat up F150s when I go camping every year. If you're wondering why a person would have a nice new trailer and a beater truck pulling it, it's because lots of people buy a cheap truck specifically to haul their trailer. A motorhome is extremely expensive compared to a trailer, so buying a beater truck saves a lot of money.
http://coachmenrv.com/products/mode...=8&Product=Fifth Wheels&Series=Chaparral Lite

If you're a baller, you have the big Coachmen Brookstone. Empty weight is 11,000 to 12,000
http://coachmenrv.com/products/mode...sID=56&Product=Fifth Wheels&Series=Brookstone

 

[desy]

Yes those are all mostly 39' most people don't buy those but when they do they pull them with diesel duallies or they leave them on seasonal sites.
You won't see a half ton pulling those.

In the first link one is almost 8000lb at 34' the rest were under the 7000lb I suggested and MUCH MORE TYPICAL to what you see on the road I don't see Tacoma's pulling those, Toyota does make the Tundra which would be appropriate tho

 

[ShawnD1]

Yes those are all mostly 39' most people don't buy those but when they do they pull them with diesel duallies or they leave them on seasonal sites.
You won't see a half ton pulling those.

Yep. I've only seen a few of those super deluxe trailers, and they're usually owned by contractors or rig pigs who already own a Ram 3500 for work.

 

[desy]

The reason the oil feild guys buy them is becasue they get $150 a day in per diem and by living on-site it basically makes the payments for them.

http://www.minardsleisureworld.com/recreational-vehicles/fifth-wheels
This trailer place is one block from my dad's house and oilfeild guys are their primary customers.

 

[LTC8K6]

The current Tacoma can only tow 3500 pounds normally and 6500 pounds with the tow package and the V6. So a trailer that weighs 6500 pounds empty is probably out of the question unless you like to take risks.

 

[Throckmorton]

Your truck is a pile of shit if it can't tow 7000 with trailer braking. If you ever go camping, you'll notice that lots of people are pulling 8,000-10,000 pound fifth wheel campers with trucks that are no bigger than a Dodge Dakota or Toyota Tacoma.
I also like how you had to include the engine size, as if engine power had ANYTHING to do with towing capacity. You're saying a modern V8 with over 300HP can only pull 7000, but a 1980s Ford F150 with half as much power can easily pull more than that.

OMG LOOK HOW STUPID HE IS.

Here is a Dodge Dakota pulling a fifth wheel camper.

That's a Ram not a Dakota. The Ford looks more like an F-250 or bigger.

It's not just the braking. The engine has to be able to put out enough torque at normal driving RPM to get the trailer up slopes, and the transmission has to handle that torque without overheating.

The length and mass of the vehicle also matters. The lighter the truck and the shorter the wheelbase, the more susceptible it is to being tossed around by a heavy trailer, which is unsafe. That's why the Jeep Wrangler has such a low tow rating, because it's so short.

 

[LTC8K6]

Yep, just 2Klbs for the Wrangler and 3.5Klbs for the Unlimited models and that's with the tow packages.

 

[WackyDan]

Your truck is a pile of shit if it can't tow 7000 with trailer braking. If you ever go camping, you'll notice that lots of people are pulling 8,000-10,000 pound fifth wheel campers with trucks that are no bigger than a Dodge Dakota or Toyota Tacoma.
I also like how you had to include the engine size, as if engine power had ANYTHING to do with towing capacity. You're saying a modern V8 with over 300HP can only pull 7000, but a 1980s Ford F150 with half as much power can easily pull more than that.

OMG LOOK HOW STUPID HE IS.

Here is a Dodge Dakota pulling a fifth wheel camper.

I'll quote again... just for giggles.

"OMG LOOK HOW STUPID HE IS. "

How the fuck stupid are you? AS others have already pointed out, that is a full size Ram, and the other is a 250... So what the fuck were you trying to prove?

The 7000 pound rating is the one from Dodge. Not one from some internet fuck who simply says it can be done. Next year, a new uniform tow rating gets assigned to trucks across all makes..That will actually be realistic. The current ratings that are mostly based on HP will likely be downgraded. Towing safety is the reason for those ratings. I wouldn't want to tow a 5k trailer up long grades with my V6 even though it is rated for it. I'd rather have more overhead.

I'm well aware of things such as HP, gear ratios, and torque, not to mention the difference between towing with a standard cab versus ratings difference for a longer chassis. My last trailer had brakes. Brakes do not magically raise the suggested maximum towing capacity of the tow vehicle.

 

[Bignate603]

Does anyone else think that ShawnD1 is a slightly toned down version of Fleabag?

 

[Howard]

Does anyone else think that ShawnD1 is a slightly toned down version of Fleabag?

No. ShawnD1 gets embarrassed and stops posting when he realizes he's wrong. fleabag just keeps going.

 

[spaceman]

this thread is
pretty cool

 

[jlee]

ROFL at safely towing a good sized fifth wheel with a compact truck...

 

[Bartman39]

ROFL at safely towing a good sized fifth wheel with a compact truck...

It has a name its call a Rodeo... (atleast thats what the person is saying afterwards...)

 

[ShawnD1]

I'll prove you all wrong when I'm the first person in history to haul a horse trailer from sea to sea using a Toyota Corolla. If my calculations are correct, it should be about as difficult as driving an 18 wheeler. The tare weight of an 18 wheeler is about 20,000 pounds and the department of transportation says the maximum interstate load is 80,000 pounds total which would be 60,000 pounds towed. That puts it at a weight ratio of about 3:1. A Corolla carrying me and a bunch of other shit is about 3000 pounds, so multiply 3 = I'll haul 9000 pounds of horse + trailer. An 18 wheeler has about 700 horsepower, so that would be 60,000/700 = 85.7 pounds per horsepower maximum. My Corolla has 130hp, so the maximum would be around 130*85.7 = 11,141 pounds maximum. I said I would only pull 9000, so this is all good.


Alrighty let's git er dun. I need you guys to pray that my transmission doesn't melt. If I get stranded in the middle of nowhere, those horses might starve to death