You do know that POSIX is not an OS, there is no such thing as "POSIX OS", it's merely a set of standards?
And OS-X is not Linux based in any way, it's kernel is Mach based, and the userland is mostly FreeBSD.
You do know that POSIX is not an OS, there is no such thing as "POSIX OS", it's merely a set of standards?
And OS-X is not Linux based in any way, it's kernel is Mach based, and the userland is mostly FreeBSD.
Hey guys. Whether the Mac is better or the PC is better seems to be a mute point. It sounds like the performance difference won't be significant, but the price difference is. I'm going the PC route, but compaq doesn't seem to have any good 2D cards. Which of the following if any would be the best?
Integrated Intel® Extreme Graphics 32 MB Equivalent
DVI Add In Card [Add $29.00]
NVIDIA GeForce2 MX200 NV11 64MB SDRAM 4X AGP [Add $80.00]
NVIDIA Quadro4 200NVS 64MB AGP Dual Head Graphics Card [Add $120.00]
NVIDIA Quadro4 400NVS 64MB DDR PCI Quad Head Graphics Card - Not available with Linux [Add $699.00]
Thanks.
Integrated Intel® Extreme Graphics 32 MB Equivalent
DVI Add In Card [Add $29.00]
NVIDIA GeForce2 MX200 NV11 64MB SDRAM 4X AGP [Add $80.00]
NVIDIA Quadro4 200NVS 64MB AGP Dual Head Graphics Card [Add $120.00]
NVIDIA Quadro4 400NVS 64MB DDR PCI Quad Head Graphics Card - Not available with Linux [Add $699.00]
Thanks.
Siddhartha
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Just a few things...
You shouldn't be getting a GeForce 2, thats a gaming card. Get a Matrox card, or somethign else that supports dual monitors. Matrox is my preference. If you are limited to only those cards you listed, I'd go with this: NVIDIA Quadro4 200NVS 64MB AGP Dual Head Graphics Card [Add $120.00]. But then again, for people still learning, it might not even be neccessary to have dual monitors, especially in that then you need to buy twice as many monitors too
MOST graphic design studios still use MACs, and will probably continue to do so into the future, so it pays to have graphic design students who know their way around a MAC.
You'll probably get a huge discount off iether systems being a school, although MACs have traditionally given bigger discounts than PCs. Why do you think every school in America used to have MACs and NO PCs AT ALL?
You shouldn't be getting a GeForce 2, thats a gaming card. Get a Matrox card, or somethign else that supports dual monitors. Matrox is my preference. If you are limited to only those cards you listed, I'd go with this: NVIDIA Quadro4 200NVS 64MB AGP Dual Head Graphics Card [Add $120.00]. But then again, for people still learning, it might not even be neccessary to have dual monitors, especially in that then you need to buy twice as many monitors too
MOST graphic design studios still use MACs, and will probably continue to do so into the future, so it pays to have graphic design students who know their way around a MAC.
You'll probably get a huge discount off iether systems being a school, although MACs have traditionally given bigger discounts than PCs. Why do you think every school in America used to have MACs and NO PCs AT ALL?
Ive read most of the thread. Most people that see my posts in GH know Im a Mac fan. But what I would have liked in school would be a mix of platforms and systems. I may not use a Mac professionally now, but I would have liked to have learned it as a kid along with x86 based PCs. I wish I was introduced to Unix earlier too, but thats another thread
Anyhow, get the x86 based PCs, and if you can afford it, pick up a Mac or two. It wont be enough to teach everyone Macs, but if some of the kids prefer Macs, or actually get hardcore into the stuff, knowing the Mac architecture might help out a lot. Variety is the spice of life, and hell, *very* few kids know what they will be doing later in life and no adult can predict it, so why not epose them to as much as possible to give them the opportunity to be ahead of the game? Learning institutions should rejoice at diversity.
*Note: I hope this is fairly unbiased (although my pretty Mac colors probably show a bit through it), and can be taken into consideration. Schools are too limited these days, and its a damn shame.
Anyhow, get the x86 based PCs, and if you can afford it, pick up a Mac or two. It wont be enough to teach everyone Macs, but if some of the kids prefer Macs, or actually get hardcore into the stuff, knowing the Mac architecture might help out a lot. Variety is the spice of life, and hell, *very* few kids know what they will be doing later in life and no adult can predict it, so why not epose them to as much as possible to give them the opportunity to be ahead of the game? Learning institutions should rejoice at diversity.
*Note: I hope this is fairly unbiased (although my pretty Mac colors probably show a bit through it), and can be taken into consideration. Schools are too limited these days, and its a damn shame.
Another pro-Mac item: When using Photoshop, there are 3 modifier keys for the tools: Control, Option, and Command. On Windows, there are only two: Control and Alt. That means that on Windows there is 2/3 the capability with the tools. At least, the capability to get to the tool's features is 133% easier on the Mac. the tool capabilities are still there on Windows, they just aren't as quickly available. Trust me, I've made the switch to PC, but I miss the extra modifier key.
None of the above if you're building a 2D workstation. Or at least stick with the Intel onboard graphics until they don't suffice. NVIDIA specializes in 3D cards. Even the Quadro series was designed for 3D work in fields like CAD engineering.
If you want the balls-out best 2D card, go with Matrox. If you want the best balance between 2D and the ability to still do gaming, get ATI. Apple has been using ATI for years and years. If you're primarily a gamer and want to also do Photoshop, get either ATI or NVIDIA by your preference. If you're on a budget, or need to choose between video and a peripheral, stick with onboard video if you've got it or are building a new box. It will let you work right away AND have the extra peripheral, and you can always add a card in later.
Keep in mind that the R9700 still beats the new FX board from NVIDIA at gaming benchies in early tests. So if you are a gamer, ATI is still an excellent choice, and I can personally attest to it's significantly better 2D quality over my ti4200.
Since I'm using photoshop every day on both paltforms, you know the windows machines have right click and the scroll wheel and there are photoshop functions for those. Maybe you just so used to the one button mouse that you're ignoring the other buttons on the mouse.
Do you have any idea what kind of things you will be teaching and what kind of images will be processed?
A $350 AXP box with 512MB (edit) and dual hard drives may be enough for you, as it is good for most 4Mpixel images even with multiple layers. If you notice, all of the time-consuming benchmarking is done at "film resolution" of 12Mpixels or higher.
I would get one of each and test it on the tasks you think you'll be doing over the next 3 years.
Yeah, I use a MS Intellimouse Explorer and a MacAlly iKey hooked to a KVM for my Mac and PC at work. And you're right that some of the features of the missing modifier key are on the right-click, but there are some things that just don't seem to work the same. I go back and forth every day as well, and I can only say that the Mac feels a bit more fluid in the way some of the tools work for me. That said, I still prefer WinXP most of the time.
And that's the "mysterious appeal" of the Mac for a lot of people. It's not about raw speed, it's about extremely subtle differences that resonate with some people. Currently that "some people" is about 4% of computer buyers. I'm simply pointing out some of the little nuances that I've found missing from Windows for me. Here's another:
Pro Mac item: Primary modifier key is better placed
The Command key is positioned right next to the space bar. Putting it there, at a slightly more central location, allows for slightly faster and less contortion to use than the Windows Control key placed at the outermost edge of the keyboard. (Yes, there is the Alt key, but that's not the primary modifier.)
It's a little, little thing, but I find it makes a difference. Again, extremely subtle nuances. Now I know I've been posting all these littel pro-Mac points, but as I said I use WinXP. That's in no small part because there are a bunch of little things about the Mac that totally piss me off. Non-standard speaker port anyone?
Get a PC!
Especially in schools I think it's unresponsible behavior to teach kids a computer OS that is not used in the real world!
Especially in schools I think it's unresponsible behavior to teach kids a computer OS that is not used in the real world!
Any real publishing work will suck on an LCD due the viewing angle restrictions and color reproduction. I know, I've done it on several LCDs including the Dell's FP2000
The PC will be a hell of a lot faster than the mac, even though it's less than half the cost.
Use the money you save to buy more RAM, at least 1GB on each box.
Also, Dell will give you a much more bang for the buck than Compaq, and better hardware options as well.
You could always go Alienware and STILL have it cost far less than the mac.
Use the money you save to buy more RAM, at least 1GB on each box.
Also, Dell will give you a much more bang for the buck than Compaq, and better hardware options as well.
You could always go Alienware and STILL have it cost far less than the mac.
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