MA Gov. Romney to spend nearly $1million TAXPAYER dollars on Faith-Based Charity, Abstinence-Only program

conjur

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4/21: tw1164 points out below a possible mistake reports of a billion and posted an article update stating $1million


http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/8858946/detail.html?rss=bos&psp=news
BOSTON -- Gov. Mitt Romney promoted a federally funded abstinence education program Thursday that he said will help students make healthy choices about when to have sex.

At a press conference at Boston Latin School, the governor said abstinence education is an important part of sexual education that doesn't get enough attention.

He said the federal dollars will help bring it into classrooms.

Massachusetts has been receiving federal funds for abstinence education since 1998, but this is the first time the state will be applying the money to classroom based programming. It's previously been used for advertising the benefits of postponing sexual activity.

The program is called Healthy Futures and can be incorporated into a school district's curriculum on sexual education or can stand on its own.

Opponents worry that school districts will use the abstinence program in place of comprehensive sex ed because it is provided by federal funds.
Boy, that's gonna be as successful as NCLB!

Wonder why it costs nearly $1 billion when Healthy Futures' website say it's available at no cost:
http://www.healthy-futures.org/about.htm
 

Strk

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Sigh... I don't want that crap in my state :(

Maybe we could just hang onto the billion while we wait for Patrick or Gabriali to become Governor?:)
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: Strk
Sigh... I don't want that crap in my state :(

Maybe we could just hang onto the billion while we wait for Patrick or Gabriali to become Governor?:)

Would you prefer Massachusetts does without the federal funds? They could certainly be allocated to people who better appreciate them.
 

Ronstang

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Strk
Sigh... I don't want that crap in my state :(

Maybe we could just hang onto the billion while we wait for Patrick or Gabriali to become Governor?:)

Would you prefer Massachusetts does without the federal funds? They could certainly be allocated to people who better appreciate them.

You are kidding right? Taxachussetts is going to grab any money from any source it can.
 

CaptnKirk

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Pandering to the GOP Conservative voter through interaction with their kida ?

Why don't they just make the kids quit screwing when they are in the school classroom?

You know that the kids don't and won't listen to this crap anyway.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Pandering to the GOP Conservative voter through interaction with their kida ?

Why don't they just make the kids quit screwing when they are in the school classroom?

You know that the kids don't and won't listen to this crap anyway.

Mitt needs to quit smoking the wacky weed . . . he's got a truth's chance in a press secretary's briefing of getting the GOP nod.
 

spunkz

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why is so much money going into this? just give a pamphlet on abstinence, contraceptive use, and STDs. then we can go back to focusing on teaching kids basic reading/writing/math skills. using the government to decide what kids need to know is not a good thing. it's like in CA where they want schools to be required to teach the accomplishments of homosexuals.
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Strk
Sigh... I don't want that crap in my state :(

Maybe we could just hang onto the billion while we wait for Patrick or Gabriali to become Governor?:)

Would you prefer Massachusetts does without the federal funds? They could certainly be allocated to people who better appreciate them.

You are kidding right? Taxachussetts is going to grab any money from any source it can.

Why not, since we put more into the fed than a majority of the states in this country. Oh, and, Zendari, if you noticed I mentioned we still want the billion, just not for a program that has proven to fail.
 

shrumpage

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Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/8858946/detail.html?rss=bos&psp=news
BOSTON -- Gov. Mitt Romney promoted a federally funded abstinence education program Thursday that he said will help students make healthy choices about when to have sex.

At a press conference at Boston Latin School, the governor said abstinence education is an important part of sexual education that doesn't get enough attention.

He said the federal dollars will help bring it into classrooms.

Massachusetts has been receiving federal funds for abstinence education since 1998, but this is the first time the state will be applying the money to classroom based programming. It's previously been used for advertising the benefits of postponing sexual activity.

The program is called Healthy Futures and can be incorporated into a school district's curriculum on sexual education or can stand on its own.

Opponents worry that school districts will use the abstinence program in place of comprehensive sex ed because it is provided by federal funds.
Boy, that's gonna be as successful as NCLB!

Wonder why it costs nearly $1 billion when Healthy Futures' website say it's available at no cost:
http://www.healthy-futures.org/about.htm

Where does it say anythinag about MA paying out 1 billion dollars? The article cited doesn't mention the cost. Even then it is just being added to the current sex ed program, not replacing it.


 

zendari

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Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Strk
Sigh... I don't want that crap in my state :(

Maybe we could just hang onto the billion while we wait for Patrick or Gabriali to become Governor?:)

Would you prefer Massachusetts does without the federal funds? They could certainly be allocated to people who better appreciate them.

You are kidding right? Taxachussetts is going to grab any money from any source it can.

Why not, since we put more into the fed than a majority of the states in this country. Oh, and, Zendari, if you noticed I mentioned we still want the billion, just not for a program that has proven to fail.

Nice to have your cake and eat it too.
 

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I don't actually have a problem with it being incorporated. I believe that it should be along with REAL SEX EDUCATION. I don't think that it takes a billion to add a few paragraphs to a book or to have the teachers state that abstinence is the best possible way to avoid STDs and pregnancy....HOWEVER....since we know that isn't realistic for the majority of people in today's society......yada, yada, yada.
 
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Originally posted by: shrumpage
Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/8858946/detail.html?rss=bos&psp=news
BOSTON -- Gov. Mitt Romney promoted a federally funded abstinence education program Thursday that he said will help students make healthy choices about when to have sex.

At a press conference at Boston Latin School, the governor said abstinence education is an important part of sexual education that doesn't get enough attention.

He said the federal dollars will help bring it into classrooms.

Massachusetts has been receiving federal funds for abstinence education since 1998, but this is the first time the state will be applying the money to classroom based programming. It's previously been used for advertising the benefits of postponing sexual activity.

The program is called Healthy Futures and can be incorporated into a school district's curriculum on sexual education or can stand on its own.

Opponents worry that school districts will use the abstinence program in place of comprehensive sex ed because it is provided by federal funds.
Boy, that's gonna be as successful as NCLB!

Wonder why it costs nearly $1 billion when Healthy Futures' website say it's available at no cost:
http://www.healthy-futures.org/about.htm

Where does it say anythinag about MA paying out 1 billion dollars? The article cited doesn't mention the cost. Even then it is just being added to the current sex ed program, not replacing it.
Shhhhhh.... If Conjur or Dave put accurate information in their thread titles there would be no base for liberal outrage here. :D


















I kid.... I kid...
(Kind of)
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
I don't actually have a problem with it being incorporated. I believe that it should be along with REAL SEX EDUCATION. I don't think that it takes a billion to add a few paragraphs to a book or to have the teachers state that abstinence is the best possible way to avoid STDs and pregnancy....HOWEVER....since we know that isn't realistic for the majority of people in today's society......yada, yada, yada.

What concerns me is that they might push for going lax one one type of education for another.

And, Zendari, that's not what the phrase means.
 

techs

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If I had just been told a couple of hundred times that sex is a bad thing while I was in High School....
I would have had more sex!!!:D

Ok, Johnny, for the next ten minutes think of anything except sex.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: shrumpage
Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/8858946/detail.html?rss=bos&psp=news
BOSTON -- Gov. Mitt Romney promoted a federally funded abstinence education program Thursday that he said will help students make healthy choices about when to have sex.

At a press conference at Boston Latin School, the governor said abstinence education is an important part of sexual education that doesn't get enough attention.

He said the federal dollars will help bring it into classrooms.

Massachusetts has been receiving federal funds for abstinence education since 1998, but this is the first time the state will be applying the money to classroom based programming. It's previously been used for advertising the benefits of postponing sexual activity.

The program is called Healthy Futures and can be incorporated into a school district's curriculum on sexual education or can stand on its own.

Opponents worry that school districts will use the abstinence program in place of comprehensive sex ed because it is provided by federal funds.
Boy, that's gonna be as successful as NCLB!

Wonder why it costs nearly $1 billion when Healthy Futures' website say it's available at no cost:
http://www.healthy-futures.org/about.htm

Where does it say anythinag about MA paying out 1 billion dollars? The article cited doesn't mention the cost. Even then it is just being added to the current sex ed program, not replacing it.
WBZ AM mentioned the cost was about $800 million.
 

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Strk
Sigh... I don't want that crap in my state :(

Maybe we could just hang onto the billion while we wait for Patrick or Gabriali to become Governor?:)

Would you prefer Massachusetts does without the federal funds? They could certainly be allocated to people who better appreciate them.

Well, since the funds can only be used for Jesus-based sex ed, they're pretty much worthless to anyone with a clue, ie, not a fundie.
 

Polish3d

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I think this is called the:


"I'm running for President and playing to the religious right base" Plan
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Strk
Sigh... I don't want that crap in my state :(

Maybe we could just hang onto the billion while we wait for Patrick or Gabriali to become Governor?:)

Would you prefer Massachusetts does without the federal funds? They could certainly be allocated to people who better appreciate them.

Well, since the funds can only be used for Jesus-based sex ed, they're pretty much worthless to anyone with a clue, ie, not a fundie.

Then don't take them.
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Strk
Sigh... I don't want that crap in my state :(

Maybe we could just hang onto the billion while we wait for Patrick or Gabriali to become Governor?:)

Would you prefer Massachusetts does without the federal funds? They could certainly be allocated to people who better appreciate them.

Well, since the funds can only be used for Jesus-based sex ed, they're pretty much worthless to anyone with a clue, ie, not a fundie.

Then don't take them.

Why is the government funding Jesus-ucation?
 

tw1164

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BOSTON -- Gov. Mitt Romney unveiled a plan Thursday to spend $1 million in federal money over next two years on abstinence programs in public schools.

NewsCenter 5's Janet Wu reported that the governor said it will preserve self-esteem and build character and the program won't replace existing sex education in schools. Critics said Romney is being disingenuous and that the plan is simply faith-based ideology.

Money to promote abstinence-only has been used in media ads in Massachusetts for years, but now, Romney has contracted with a faith-base organization, Healthy Futures, to teach the curriculum in public schools to students whose parents say it's OK.

"If we want our kids to wait to become sexually active until after they've graduated from high school, we are going to have to tell them that rather than have them try to read our minds," Romney said.

The governor said the money would be offered to all school districts, which could still teach existing sex education classes.

"You know, that's really disingenuous. There are school districts across Massachusetts that can't afford to offer real sex education classes. If the state only funds abstinence-only until marriage programs, that is all a lot of young people are going to get," said Angus McQuilken, of Planned Parenthood.

Student Shaena McDaniels said that there's nothing wrong with waiting until she's married to have sex.

"But there are students in my school who are not abstinent, who don't plan on being abstinent," she said.

"We are a Christian organization, so that motivates the staff and it's part of our work, but it's not a part of our curriculum or what we teach in schools," Healthy Futures Director Rebecca Ray said.

"Young people need real sex education that provides them with all the information they need to stay safe and make healthy choices," McQuilken said.

Romney won't have the last word on the debate. Next week, the Massachusetts House will take up a bill that would prohibit the governor from offering the program.

A similar vote taken last year overwhelming rejected Romney's attempt to launch the curriculum. Currently, no other state uses federal money for a comprehensive, classroom-based abstinence-only program.

UPDATED: 5:56 pm EDT April 20, 2006


This is what it says this morning, its little less then the BILLION mentioned above. I think there was a typo in the original story.
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: zendari

Would you prefer Massachusetts does without the federal funds? They could certainly be allocated to people who better appreciate them.

Well, since the funds can only be used for Jesus-based sex ed, they're pretty much worthless to anyone with a clue, ie, not a fundie.

Then don't take them.

Why is the government funding Jesus-ucation?

Abstinence is hardly Jesus-ucation; there are plenty of people of other religions and nonreligious people who believe in the lifestyle.

Edit: Kind of a big difference conjur, $1 million is pocket change.
 

wetech

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Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Strk
Sigh... I don't want that crap in my state :(

Maybe we could just hang onto the billion while we wait for Patrick or Gabriali to become Governor?:)

Would you prefer Massachusetts does without the federal funds? They could certainly be allocated to people who better appreciate them.

Well, since the funds can only be used for Jesus-based sex ed, they're pretty much worthless to anyone with a clue, ie, not a fundie.

Then don't take them.

Why is the government funding Jesus-ucation?

Nowhere does it say this is "Jesus based sex ed." If you look at the link kindly provided by conjur, and look at the corriculum, it doesn't mention the dreaded "J" word anywhere.
 

OrganizedChaos

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i live in mass.

in my high school (graduated 2005) because of No child Left Behind the state has already cut health education down to a 1/2 year 9th grade only class. when the state wide science/history tests come online many expect health and PE to be cut completly.

the critics are arguing for the right thing for the wrong reasons. comprehensive sex ed WAS cut. they didn't care because the class time was diverted to MCAS test prep classes.
 

shrumpage

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1 million spent over two years spread over the entire state school system so it can add a something to its sex ed program?

This pretty much qualifies as: much ado about nothing.