LulzSec / Anonymous versus China and Israel

[Schadenfroh]

Let us explore a couple of possible scenarios in which LulzSec and Anonymous join forces against the largest government censorship platform in the world (The Great Firewall of China) and the IDF. Anonymous states that they back transparency and actively works against government censorship, but mostly they have acted to promote this transparency against the will of western governments and corporations. Now, let us say they set their sights elsewhere...

General Assumptions:
All LulzSec / Anonymous members operate independently of Western governments and reside in Western countries. As a matter of fact, Western authorities are actively pursuing their members and attempting to crush their networks.

Scenario 1

LulzSec / Anonymous takes on China. They bring down The Great Firewall of China and keep it down for over a month. During that time, all of the citizens of China, that have internet access, can experience the internet exactly as it is experienced in countries without government censorship. So, they can read uncensored news and history, not just state media and whitewashed history. They also release many documents they discovered exposing corruption at the top levels of the Chinese government. What would the social impact in China be to this and how would the Chinese government respond?

Scenario 2

LulzSec / Anonymous takes on Israel. Let us say that they gain access to Mossad files that contain records of torture, execution without trial and indefinite detention of Palestinians / foreign nationals (who may or may not be innocent). They release this evidence, along with documents showing that their leadership knew of these acts. Some of the evidence even contain audio / video recordings of the "interrogations." How would the IDF / Mossad respond to this incursion / leak?

 

[Nik]

P&N is that way ---->

 

[fire hazard]

None of us know.

 

[Farmer]

1.) None, people who use the internet in China are generally aware of the censorship and corruption in Chinese government. Ignorant individuals in the west perpetuate the myth that educated Chinese are not aware.

2.) They kill everyone.

 

[Alone]

You may be overestimating the capabilities of LulzSec.

 

[MotF Bane]

One: China screams about western decadence and attacks on the sovereignty. citizens go slightly nuts. Army restores order, sadly.

Two: Israel gets annoyed, carries on with business as usual.

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[coloumb]

It's easy to "bypass" the great firewall of china and most "western" companies located in china are allowed to bypass the china firewall anyway [at least the company I work for is allowed to access]. Chinese know a lot more than you may think - they just don't say anything for fear of "disappearing".

Israel - honestly I doubt they'd care.

 

[zinfamous]

1.) None, people who use the internet in China are generally aware of the censorship and corruption in Chinese government. Ignorant individuals in the west perpetuate the myth that educated Chinese are not aware.

2.) They kill everyone.

You'd be surprised. I work with some extremely bright, relatively open-minded Chinese post-docs. They acknowledge the firewall, and how "easy" it is to circumvent, but at the same time they project a very naive and uninformed view of the world--and especially their government--that comes from the type of lifelong education and upbringing that is designed to limit such exposures.

for example:
--Tiannenman Square still didn't happen. (especially amongst today's younger generation--those in their early 20s too young, or not even born when it happened, it is very much understood to be the government protecting the citizens of China from a small, splinter group trying to stage a coup. Amazing, but this interpretation is very common)
--Tibet is the sovereign property of China
--don't even start to ask about Taiwan.
--Ai Weiwei is certainly an enemy of the government, and the Chinese people. (This, and the assertion that the Dalai Llama is a CHinese citizen; many of these odd claims are common)

mostly, it's a lot of "Well, the party isn't "that bad," and "there really is no evidence for people being in prison that don't belong."

You might be shocked how effectively mind-altering a lifetime of propaganda and censorship can be on a person.

 

[zinfamous]

As ofr the OP, this is the kind of thing that Anonymous and LulzSeq should be doing, if they had any balls or actually believed in their supposed "ideals."

But they have none, they are just a crowd of petty and ignorant basement dwellers with some computer skills that lash out against companies that may have given them butthurt because of some crappy weekend sales or poor customer service.

They have no desire to work for the consumer or average-citizen and protect any kind of internet or information freedom. They are nothing more than petty, self-serving cunts

 

[gaidensensei]

This topic is a bit too high-brow for OT. :thumbsup:

I think we have to divide the people you are calling chinese into different groups. There are more than just one group of Chinese, IMO.

Take for example:
- Mainlanders who fled to Taiwan to escape the communist regime.
- Mainlanders who did not manage to escape the country.
- Mainlanders who valiantly decided to remain.
- Taiwanese who claim independence of all politics that is China, they want to be considered completely separate from China's chinese.
- Hong Kong / Canton is a complete different entity. While they are under China, their politics don't underline the same concepts, and you have a more westernized thinking approach here than you would find outside of HK.

and as zin said, there's the new generation born today that are not aware of the concepts of that underly the Tiananmen incident, their brethren stood bravely up for.

LulzSec appears to be predominantly westernized, so perhaps they only dip in what they can understand...

 

[zinfamous]

This topic is a bit too high-brow for OT. :thumbsup:

I think we have to divide the people you are calling chinese into different groups. There are more than just one group of Chinese, IMO.

Take for example:
- Mainlanders who fled to Taiwan to escape the communist regime.
- Mainlanders who did not manage to escape the country.
- Mainlanders who valiantly decided to remain.
- Taiwanese who claim independence of all politics that is China, they want to be considered completely separate from China's chinese.
- Hong Kong / Canton is a complete different entity. While they are under China, their politics don't underline the same concepts, and you have a more westernized thinking approach here than you would find outside of HK.

and as zin said, there's the new generation born today that are not aware of the concepts of that underly the Tiananmen incident, their brethren stood bravely up for.

LulzSec appears to be predominantly westernized, so perhaps they only dip in what they can understand...

it's really weird. You can meet some extremely intelligent, good, honest people, that upon investigation, spout some truly bizarre effects of mass censorship and brain-washing.

Not that I'm out to change their minds or declare that I am completely right and they are wrong, but the absence of an understanding, much less acknowledgment of the actual facts regarding certain subjects is astounding, especially considering their superior intelligence and obvious ability to escape the crushing oppression of China's failed educational preparatory system (you know--the inability to create creative innovators).

I call it selective free thinking. ...or something like that.