Lowest math scores in the nation goes to...

[F1N3ST]

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/12/detroit_students_notch_lowest.html

Sittin there watching the news, see something, felt obligated to post it.

:drumroll:

And the winner is...Detroit! We got the lowest math scores in the nation!

I only live like 15mi from that hellhole. I hate driving through there...

This has become a topic fit for P&N.
-Schadenfroh (AT Mod)

 

[RoloMather]

I guess Detroit has to win at something.

 

[F1N3ST]

He said scores were "only slightly better than what one would expect by chance as if the kids had never gone to school and simply guessed at the answers," and called for a complete overhaul of the school system.

Lol, that's in the article.

 

[RoloMather]

scores were "only slightly better than what one would expect by chance as if the kids had never gone to school and simply guessed at the answers,"

Yep.

 

[mugs]

Lol, that's in the article.

Thank you for quoting that. I didn't feel like reading the article, but that made me laugh pretty hard.

 

[MotF Bane]

Nuke it from orbit.

 

[IronWing]

Simple solution. Offer $5000 for any man in Detroit (nationally would be better) who gets a vasectomy. Offer $10K for any woman of child bearing age who gets her tubes tied (more invasive surgery warranting bigger payout). Sliding scale for folks who already parents. Lots of folks who have no business having kids will take the money, saving the taxpayers far more than the cost of the program.

Requiring parental performance bonds would also be good. Fining parents for raising worthless kids might improve things.

 

[Anubis]

Nuke it from orbit.

its the only way to be safe

 

[frostedflakes]

Simple solution. Offer $5000 for any man in Detroit (nationally would be better) who gets a vasectomy. Offer $10K for any woman of child bearing age who gets her tubes tied (more invasive surgery warranting bigger payout). Sliding scale for folks who already parents. Lots of folks who have no business having kids will take the money, saving the taxpayers far more than the cost of the program.

Requiring parental performance bonds would also be good. Fining parents for raising worthless kids might improve things.

I'm not going to claim it wouldn't help... but that brings up a slew of ethical issues. A Senator in Louisiana (IIRC) suggested something like this a year or two ago, and ended up losing his job because of the public outcry.

 

[SandEagle]

Nuke it from orbit.

but im here now

DPS was great when i was a kid.....must be ass now

 

[QueBert]

doesn't surprise me at all, inner city schools are the worst of the worse. I went a High School in an inner city area MUCH better than Detriot. And the highest math they offered was Pre Algebra. We only had 1 math class on campus so that one high level class (laugh) was only offered 1 period a day. So basically 30 students in the whole school were able to take it. The rest were still doing fractions in the 12th fucking grade.

I suppose people on here will say it's the kids faults for not wanting to learn. They should apply themselves and learn Trigonometry all on their own right??

 

[fallout man]

...but how did they manage to make Robocop?

 

[DrPizza]

There was a new research article published just a couple weeks ago. It showed an incredible correlation between poverty & low achievement in school. One of the things it pointed out - if you think it's the teachers - then you'd expect at least 1 of the schools with >80% poverty rates to be able to have 20% of their students ready for college. But there wasn't a single one found out of the 1000's of schools that the study assessed.

Ultimately it's the culture & parents that are to blame.

 

[Leros]

There was a new research article published just a couple weeks ago. It showed an incredible correlation between poverty & low achievement in school. One of the things it pointed out - if you think it's the teachers - then you'd expect at least 1 of the schools with >80% poverty rates to be able to have 20% of their students ready for college. But there wasn't a single one found out of the 1000's of schools that the study assessed.

Ultimately it's the culture & parents that are to blame.

The academic magnet high school where I grew up was in a poor hispanic area. The idea being that bringing smart teachers and smart students would improve the other students. It worked for about a year, but then the students went back to not caring.

In the regular classes, as long as you show up to class you'll get a C. You don't have to do anything to graduate. How do you motivate students without failing 90% of the class?

 

[Greenman]

Simple solution. Offer $5000 for any man in Detroit (nationally would be better) who gets a vasectomy. Offer $10K for any woman of child bearing age who gets her tubes tied (more invasive surgery warranting bigger payout). Sliding scale for folks who already parents. Lots of folks who have no business having kids will take the money, saving the taxpayers far more than the cost of the program.

Requiring parental performance bonds would also be good. Fining parents for raising worthless kids might improve things.

There was a woman some years back who tried that, she was was called pretty much every name in the book.

 

[theflyingpig]

Ultimately it's the culture & parents that are to blame.

This is the absolute truth. Everyone knows this.

 

[zerocool84]

A low income are having low test scores??? Well that's a first.

 

[QueBert]

There was a new research article published just a couple weeks ago. It showed an incredible correlation between poverty & low achievement in school. One of the things it pointed out - if you think it's the teachers - then you'd expect at least 1 of the schools with >80% poverty rates to be able to have 20% of their students ready for college. But there wasn't a single one found out of the 1000's of schools that the study assessed.

Ultimately it's the culture & parents that are to blame.

The schools are as much to blame as anything, during high school I didn't live there but took a bus. So I was from the outside looking in, and I'm sorry but you can't honestly tell me the kids have a chance when in 12th grade they're taking Pre Algebra classes at the best. And we had Science books that were almost 20 years old. we also had no history books, not a single one. I wasn't a part of the "culture" and my mom did want me to learn. But the conditions made that almost impossible. I read Old Yella in 11th fucking grade. My Nephew who lived in Manhattan Beach read it in 6th grade. I read The Outsiders in 12th grade, that's like a 5th grade book in any normal school. This so called culture you speak about doesn't give 2 shits about school because of the schools in those areas are fucking horrible. So you should understand why the people there don't give 2 shits about an education. The teachers typically don't either as they pushed sports so hard you would think they were scouts for the colleges and pros. If I had studied everything on my campus I would have graduated with what amounted to a 9th grade education. We had zero college prep courses, not even a ROTC program. Even those who felt they'd like to get ahead had no real chance.

The ironic thing is I was sent to this school because I ditched so much and they basically had written me off and didn't want me to waste space in a middle class school. So they sent me to a school in the ghetto to continue to fail, the people who lived in the area went to the school they sent fucks up from better areas. Pretty damn sad for them, maybe some wished they could have went to my old school and actually learned something.

But blame the parents for not being able to live in a better area I suppose...

 

[theflyingpig]

The schools are as much to blame as anything, during high school I didn't live there but took a bus. So I was from the outside looking in, and I'm sorry but you can't honestly tell me the kids have a chance when in 12th grade they're taking Pre Algebra classes at the best. And we had Science books that were almost 20 years old. we also had no history books, not a single one. I wasn't a part of the "culture" and my mom did want me to learn. But the conditions made that almost impossible. I read Old Yella in 11th fucking grade. My Nephew who lived in Manhattan Beach read it in 6th grade. I read The Outsiders in 12th grade, that's like a 5th grade book in any normal school. This so called culture you speak about doesn't give 2 shits about school because of the schools in those areas are fucking horrible. So you should understand why the people there don't give 2 shits about an education. The teachers typically don't either as they pushed sports so hard you would think they were scouts for the colleges and pros. If I had studied everything on my campus I would have graduated with what amounted to a 9th grade education. We had zero college prep courses, not even a ROTC program. Even those who felt they'd like to get ahead had no real chance.

But blame the parents for not being able to live in a better area I suppose...

You are nothing more than an apologist. You can't accept reality. It's pathetic.

 

[QueBert]

You are nothing more than an apologist. You can't accept reality. It's pathetic.

The reality is the schools are beyond horrible, I went to one and you didn't. What's pathetic is you speaking with little to no knowledge on this subject. I'd love to see 1 person rationalize a school that topped out with Jr. High level courses as a school anyone will ever learn in. There are MANY factors that play into why people in those areas do what they do. But the lack of the possibility of a semi decent education can never help. I fucked up at a decent school so they bussed me off to a school in the ghetto. But the people who actually excelled at the school I ended up at didn't get an option to be bussed off to a school where they could actually have a chance to learn something a high school student should. Very hard to get ready for college with no college prep courses.

I'm not saying if the schools were on level with the decent ones the kids there would learn anything, but at least they'd be given the chance to. Right now they have ZERO chance.

fuck you and your clueless ass basically...

 

[zerocool84]

The reality is the schools are beyond horrible, I went to one and you didn't. What's pathetic is you speaking with little to no knowledge on this subject. I'd love to see 1 person rationalize a school that topped out with Jr. High level courses as a school anyone will ever learn in. There are MANY factors that play into why people in those areas do what they do. But the lack of the possibility of a semi decent education can never help. I fucked up at a decent school so they bussed me off to a school in the ghetto. But the people who actually excelled at the school I ended up at didn't get an option to be bussed off to a school where they could actually have a chance to learn something a high school student should. Very hard to get ready for college with no college prep courses.

I'm not saying if the schools were on level with the decent ones the kids there would learn anything, but at least they'd be given the chance to. Right now they have ZERO chance.

fuck you and your clueless ass basically...

I've seen many people who had parents that didn't treat them like crap do extremely well in poor areas. Worse areas that you could ever be in. If you have a good foundation you're going to do well in any situation cus you had a good upbringing from your parents but go ahead and blame it on someone else.

 

[TheVrolok]

The reality is the schools are beyond horrible, I went to one and you didn't. What's pathetic is you speaking with little to no knowledge on this subject. I'd love to see 1 person rationalize a school that topped out with Jr. High level courses as a school anyone will ever learn in. There are MANY factors that play into why people in those areas do what they do. But the lack of the possibility of a semi decent education can never help. I fucked up at a decent school so they bussed me off to a school in the ghetto. But the people who actually excelled at the school I ended up at didn't get an option to be bussed off to a school where they could actually have a chance to learn something a high school student should. Very hard to get ready for college with no college prep courses.

I'm not saying if the schools were on level with the decent ones the kids there would learn anything, but at least they'd be given the chance to. Right now they have ZERO chance.

fuck you and your clueless ass basically...

Sounds almost like you're blaming the poor education for the culture, and while I would agree that it does help continue the cycle, I wouldn't mark it as the source. Seems like a bit of a "chicken or the egg" argument, but I'd be willing to wager that the "culture" came before the failing schools.

 

[theflyingpig]

The reality is the schools are beyond horrible, I went to one and you didn't. What's pathetic is you speaking with little to no knowledge on this subject. I'd love to see 1 person rationalize a school that topped out with Jr. High level courses as a school anyone will ever learn in. There are MANY factors that play into why people in those areas do what they do. But the lack of the possibility of a semi decent education can never help. I fucked up at a decent school so they bussed me off to a school in the ghetto. But the people who actually excelled at the school I ended up at didn't get an option to be bussed off to a school where they could actually have a chance to learn something a high school student should. Very hard to get ready for college with no college prep courses.

I'm not saying if the schools were on level with the decent ones the kids there would learn anything, but at least they'd be given the chance to. Right now they have ZERO chance.

fuck you and your clueless ass basically...

The schools are like that because no one in the community cares enough to fix them. Everyone knows this.

 

[frostedflakes]

If somebody was really driven and wanted to be successful and attend college, they would learn the material outside of the classroom if they had to. I mean I've had a couple shitty professors in college. Instead of just failing the class and blaming the system, I take the initiative and learn the material on my own.

You're right, though, if your experience is typical of inner-city schools, they certainly aren't helping with the situation.

 

[SunSamurai]

As of the 2000 Census, there were 951,270 people, 336,428 households, and 218,341 families residing in the city. The population density was 6,855.1 people per square mile (2,646.7/km²). There were 375,096 housing units at an average density of 2,703.0 units per square mile (1,043.6/km²). The racial makeup of the city was 81.6% Black, 12.3% White, 1.0% Asian, 0.3% Native American, 0.03% Pacific Islander, 2.5% other races, 2.3% two or more races, and 5.0 percent Hispanic. The city's foreign-born population is at 4.8%. Estimates from the 2005-2007 American Community Survey showed little variance.

:hmm: