LOTR - When does the story take place?

ThePresence

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When does the story take place in relation to us (2004), in our future or in our past?
 

Aharami

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its a fantasy story. i dont think it has any relation to this world. i think middle earth is a different world altogether. but if i had to put a time, id say waaaay back in the days
 

Tom

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
When does the story take place in relation to us (2004), in our future or in our past?

about a 1000 years ago in what is now continental Europe.


 

Electric Amish

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Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
Originally posted by: ThePresence
When does the story take place in relation to us (2004), in our future or in our past?

about a 1000 years ago in what is now continental Europe.

Yeah, something like that.

It was meant to be a mythology of the British Isles.

Read the Silmarillion. It has much more background.
 

Martin

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There is some speculation. Some people think that the Shire is supposed to represent britain and that the end of the 4th age was supposed to have taken place 6000 years ago (when the earth was created according to literal interpretations of the bible). THis would be inline with the fact that Tolkien portayed himself (in the books IIRC) as having found the books and translated them from elvish to english.

In fact, the societies of Men are circa 1100 or so, but with technology from a bit later on (If you noticed the trebuchets in RotK). Also the gunpowder and "Grond" the hammer they used to break through the gates of Minas Tirith are more inline with 1500s technology.

Its interesting to note that Hobbits live in a much more Victorian society (I forget the details, but I think the fireplace clock, the wooden pipes etc), although with medieval technology (no steam etc).
 

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
When does the story take place in relation to us (2004), in our future or in our past?

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WinkOsmosis

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It's a fantasy world. It is earth. The plants are the same as those we have. The sun, moon, and stars they see are the same as ours. It could be earth a few epochs ago.

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
There is some speculation. Some people think that the Shire is supposed to represent britain and that the end of the 4th age was supposed to have taken place 6000 years ago (when the earth was created according to literal interpretations of the bible). THis would be inline with the fact that Tolkien portayed himself (in the books IIRC) as having found the books and translated them from elvish to english.

In fact, the societies of Men are circa 1100 or so, but with technology from a bit later on (If you noticed the trebuchets in RotK). Also the gunpowder and "Grond" the hammer they used to break through the gates of Minas Tirith are more inline with 1500s technology.

Its interesting to note that Hobbits live in a much more Victorian society (I forget the details, but I think the fireplace clock, the wooden pipes etc), although with medieval technology (no steam etc).

Those things you talk about are all from the movies, not the book.
 

edro

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Dude... at no point in time has or will there ever be walking and talking trees, elves, hobbits, dragons, hugemongous eagles, or horses. :D
 

Vic

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Yes, everyone knows it's fantasy. Star Wars is fantasy too and it still says "a long time ago".

If you read all the books, including the Silmarillion, you are given the impression that it was "an age ago", or approx 6,000 to 10,000 years ago. We are supposedly in the "age" directly after the fall of Sauron, "the Age of Men" (4th Age IIRC -- 1st Age ended with the Fall of Morgoth, 2nd with the Taking of the Ring and the Last Alliance of Elves and Men, 3rd with the Downfall of Sauron -- correct me if I'm wrong). "Ages" were of indeterminate length, ranging from 3,000 to 10,000 years.

Tolkein created a VERY detailed history of his fantasy world. It's quite fascinating.