Lost in all the HC stories is how Obama betrayed the left.

[Zebo]

It's money honey.

From Young Turks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxnZfDJdv6I

 

[Bitek]

It shouldn't be forgotten their own stupidity and bumbling made it necessary.

If they were any good at politicking, they could have got much more of what they wanted.

 

[dennilfloss]

Obama was never really left to begin with. I mean, most of the Democratic Party is slightly right of center, not left (at least from a Canadian point of view; they're equivalent to what the Canadian party known as the Progressive Conservatives was) and Obama lies in the more right portion of that party. This is understandable as much of American politics are definitely skewed towards the right compared to the rest of the world, even their so-called left (The Democrats).

 

[nonlnear]

Obama was never really left to begin with. I mean, most of the Democratic Party is slightly right of center, not left (at least from a Canadian point of view; they're equivalent to what the Canadian party known as the Progressive Conservatives was) and Obama lies in the more right portion of that party.

I tell you what, I've got to give the Progressive [not]Conservatives props for killing the Reform party. Whoever got the Reform Party to swallow the poison pill ought to be nominated for the Nobel Progressive Prize. It's sadly ironic that in naming the new party they dropped the Progressive but kept the Conservative. For a brief moment there was hope, but then Canada wussed out. That's about when I decided to leave (for entirely unrelated reasons). Can't say I miss the place. Maybe I'll go to BC if the west secedes. One can hope...

 

[Zebo]

Obama was never really left to begin with. I mean, most of the Democratic Party is slightly right of center, not left (at least from a Canadian point of view; they're equivalent to what the Canadian party known as the Progressive Conservatives was) and Obama lies in the more right portion of that party. This is understandable as much of American politics are definitely skewed towards the right compared to the rest of the world, even their so-called left (The Democrats).

That is not what he said though. He pimped single payer in campaign and the public option is a wayyyyy watered down form of single payer. In fact all it does is force businesses to compete against the "ineffecint' Govt.

 

[CanOWorms]

Obama was never really left to begin with. I mean, most of the Democratic Party is slightly right of center, not left (at least from a Canadian point of view; they're equivalent to what the Canadian party known as the Progressive Conservatives was) and Obama lies in the more right portion of that party. This is understandable as much of American politics are definitely skewed towards the right compared to the rest of the world, even their so-called left (The Democrats).

It really depends on the issues. For example, many on the left in Canada support the monarchy which would be even more to the right than anything in the USA.

 

[glenn1]

That is not what he said though. He pimped single payer in campaign and the public option is a wayyyyy watered down form of single payer. In fact all it does is force businesses to compete against the "ineffecint' Govt.

Maybe once in office he reviewed his options and decided single payer wasn't realistic or desirable. Progressives share the lack of will to conduct self-introspection/due diligence of their pet ideas in the same way that conservatives do. The way that progressives have charged ahead "damn the torpedoes" style reminds me of the "privatize social security" push of a few years ago.

 

[Tristicus]

Lol The Young Turks.

 

[Zebo]

Maybe once in office he reviewed his options and decided single payer wasn't realistic or desirable. Progressives share the lack of will to conduct self-introspection/due diligence of their pet ideas in the same way that conservatives do. The way that progressives have charged ahead "damn the torpedoes" style reminds me of the "privatize social security" push of a few years ago.

No doubt about it the left tend to be idealists just as much as right but Obama straight up said before and after election he'd have at least a public option.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...;3A+tpmelectioncentral+(TPM+Election+Central)

Wouldn't even sign a bill w/o it, when in fact he's been working against it the whole time. You can't square this anyway you look at it. It would be like Bush saying he wanted privatization and eliminated the income cap on SS tax behind closed doors.

 

[cubby1223]

That is not what he said though. He pimped single payer in campaign and the public option is a wayyyyy watered down form of single payer. In fact all it does is force businesses to compete against the "ineffecint' Govt.

Don't worry, there is a backdoor plan inside this health care bill. Some of the czars and cabinet secretaries will have the power to begin choking out private insurance companies through some price controls as time goes on.

 

[EXman]

Obama was never really left to begin with. I mean, most of the Democratic Party is slightly right of center, not left (at least from a Canadian point of view; they're equivalent to what the Canadian party known as the Progressive Conservatives was) and Obama lies in the more right portion of that party. This is understandable as much of American politics are definitely skewed towards the right compared to the rest of the world, even their so-called left (The Democrats).

Not even close he just doesn't want to LOSE it is all about a campaigning. He wants a legacy of winning and accomplishment above all else. He is More left than most think but he has compromised his principles for a "W" in the win lose column. Nothing more. He's an ego-maniac statist know-it-all. They are never wrong just ask him.

 

[EXman]

Don't worry, there is a backdoor plan inside this health care bill. Some of the czars and cabinet secretaries will have the power to begin choking out private insurance companies through some price controls as time goes on.

BUT IT DOESN"T SAY YOU CAN'T CHOOSE YOUR DOCTOR OR STAY WITH WHAT YOU HAVE EVEN IF IT COSTS $1,000,000 a month!

This isn't a secert the people that support this are in denial about it.

 

[nobodyknows]

Lol The Young Turks.

LOL, I had to laugh at that too. It seems kind of hard to take anything too seriously from a group with a name like that. Gobble, gobble, gooble.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I think he's going to be a one-term president and I won't feel baldy about it.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

I think he's going to be a one-term president and I won't feel baldy about it.

You will after we get the R's in charge of everything again.

 

[Throckmorton]

That is not what he said though. He pimped single payer in campaign and the public option is a wayyyyy watered down form of single payer. In fact all it does is force businesses to compete against the "ineffecint' Govt.

He didn't pimp single payer... were you living under a rock during the campaign, or did you get your news from Rush, or what?

 

[Throckmorton]

Maybe once in office he reviewed his options and decided single payer wasn't realistic or desirable. Progressives share the lack of will to conduct self-introspection/due diligence of their pet ideas in the same way that conservatives do. The way that progressives have charged ahead "damn the torpedoes" style reminds me of the "privatize social security" push of a few years ago.

Charged ahead how? Are you talking about Democrats? They started negotiating from the center, and the Republicans got the bill to the right during the negotiations. Now Republicans refuse to vote for it anyway.

 

[shadow9d9]

No doubt about it the left tend to be idealists just as much as right but Obama straight up said before and after election he'd have at least a public option.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...ed:+tpmelectioncentral+(TPM+Election+Central)

Wouldn't even sign a bill w/o it, when in fact he's been working against it the whole time. You can't square this anyway you look at it. It would be like Bush saying he wanted privatization and eliminated the income cap on SS tax behind closed doors.

In reality, we have a congress that is very conservative and are more concerned with staying a career politician/keeping things the same than helping the country.

 

[shadow9d9]

Don't worry, there is a backdoor plan inside this health care bill. Some of the czars and cabinet secretaries will have the power to begin choking out private insurance companies through some price controls as time goes on.

I sure hope so, but I am not optimistic.

 

[rudder]

He didn't pimp single payer... were you living under a rock during the campaign, or did you get your news from Rush, or what?

Where do you get yours?

Obama, speaking at SEIU's New Leadership Health Care Forum on March 24, 2007, said, "My commitment is to make sure that we have universal healthcare for all Americans by the end of my first term as President."


http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-in-03-id-like-to-see-a-single-payer-health-care-plan/

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-s...-he-wanted-eliminate-private-health-insurance

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...ama-wants-a-single-payer-system-52699182.html

I know... but those are rightwingnuts websites... don't read the text then... just listen to Obama's words.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Bush can start 2 wars and get the vast majority of democrats to support it. Its pretty sad when Bush makes Obama look like a bumbling idiot.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

You will after we get the R's in charge of everything again.

I'm not sure I see the big difference between the Democrats and the Republicans.

The Democrats are in favor of H-1B and L-1 visas and other work visas which displace Americans from knowledge-based, often college-education-requiring jobs. The Republicans are also in favor of H-1B and L-1 visas and other work visas.

The Democrats are in favor of mass legal immigration and are soft on illegal immigration. The Republicans are also in favor of mass legal immigration and are soft on illegal immigration.

The Democrats refuse to address foreign outsourcing nor acknowledge it as a serious economic problem. The Republicans refuse to address foreign outsourcing nor acknowledge it as a serious economic problem.

The Democrats refuse to propose real socialized medicine. The Republicans oppose socialized medicine.

The Democrats refuse to address population explosion nor acknowledge it as a problem. The Republicans refuse to address population explosion nor acknowledge it as a problem.
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So what is the big difference between them? In terms of basic economic policy they seem almost the same. I think the Democrats are a little better than the Republicans on economic issues, but not by much. The only good thing about the Democrats is that they are not religious wackos. As far as I'm concerned, they all stink and all but a small handful of our Congressmen should have their assets seized, their U.S. citizenship revoked, and be deported out of the U.S.

 

[bfdd]

I'm not sure I see the big difference between the Democrats and the Republicans.

The Democrats are in favor of H-1B and L-1 visas and other work visas which displace Americans from knowledge-based, often college-education-requiring jobs. The Republicans are also in favor of H-1B and L-1 visas and other work visas.

The Democrats are in favor of mass legal immigration and are soft on illegal immigration. The Republicans are also in favor of mass legal immigration and are soft on illegal immigration.

The Democrats refuse to address foreign outsourcing nor acknowledge it as a serious economic problem. The Republicans refuse to address foreign outsourcing nor acknowledge it as a serious economic problem.

The Democrats refuse to propose real socialized medicine. The Republicans oppose socialized medicine.

The Democrats refuse to address population explosion nor acknowledge it as a problem. The Republicans refuse to address population explosion nor acknowledge it as a problem.
​

So what is the big difference between them? In terms of basic economic policy they seem almost the same. I think the Democrats are a little better than the Republicans on economic issues, but not by much. The only good thing about the Democrats is that they are not religious wackos. As far as I'm concerned, they all stink and all but a small handful of our Congressmen should have their assets seized, their U.S. citizenship revoked, and be deported out of the U.S.

It's all Crips vs Bloods in politics now. It's all about representing your colors, everyone has blinders on to the fact we keep electing the same goddamn "gangsters" into power, regardless of R or D.

 

[Patranus]

The left doesn't want this, the right doesn't want this, and the center doesn't want this.

Why exactly are they passing this?

 

[bfdd]

The left doesn't want this, the right doesn't want this, and the center doesn't want this.

Why exactly are they passing this?

So they can say they did something.