LOST 3 x 11

[atomicacid55]

I don't like how the Iraqi guy had an Ikea cup in his hand when he was eating the food Sayid cooked. Why? Because I have 2 of those Ikea glasses sitting in front of me. They cost 50 cents each.

 

[everman]

John's the king of dumbasses, dumbassery of the decade award nominee. At least take the cows before blowing the place.

 

[OrganizedChaos]

what john did intentional or not was the best thing do.
what we know:
1)the camera in the flame was working when john looked at it, that means it was connected to a station the people on the plane haven't see yet. this means that others were probably incoming anyway.
2) the flame was an important piece of infastructure to the others, we've seen them recieve tv broadcasts presumably from that sat dish when it was capable of transmiting, it was a major water and electricity junction to othersvile and other stations. it controlled the sonar beacon for the others sub. it was somehow connected to the food drops.

so in this episode the plane people managed to:
1)get a map of the island
2)destroy infastructure important to the others
3)see an other killed, why we don't know but its one less they have to deal with
4)secure a hostage
5)score a cool refreshing glass of iced tea

what plane people lost
1)saiyid got shot but he got it fixed for free.

seems like they made out pretty good to me

 

[rockyct]

Well, this episode did tell us a couple of definite things.
1) the "Others" were on the island well before the Dharma people
2) the "Others" killed the Dharma people
3) the Dharma people did not want the "Others" to control the Flame station

It's not really Locke's character for him to do something that screws up the story, so I agree with OrganizedChaos. Although, he does have a knack for destroying those Dharma stations. While blowing up the Flame did prevent ABC from filming on a new sound stage (the cave in S1, the hatch in S2), it's going to hurt the "Others" the most. I doubt the Others would have left any portable sat phones lying around inside, so I don't think there was much to find inside.

 

[WT]

So Sayid lets Patch live, but would have easily put a bullet into Bens's chest last year in the hatch. Soooooo .... what changed all of a sudden ???

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Well I don't think the blowing up of the Flame station was that big of a deal. Remember they can get to the outside world whenever they want. All they have to do is buy new equipment.....

 

[drnickriviera]

Originally posted by: rockyct
Well, this episode did tell us a couple of definite things.
1) the "Others" were on the island well before the Dharma people

Could the others have originally come to the island on the Black Rock?

 

[paulxcook]

Originally posted by: rockyct
Well, this episode did tell us a couple of definite things.
1) the "Others" were on the island well before the Dharma people
2) the "Others" killed the Dharma people
3) the Dharma people did not want the "Others" to control the Flame station

It's not really Locke's character for him to do something that screws up the story, so I agree with OrganizedChaos. Although, he does have a knack for destroying those Dharma stations. While blowing up the Flame did prevent ABC from filming on a new sound stage (the cave in S1, the hatch in S2), it's going to hurt the "Others" the most. I doubt the Others would have left any portable sat phones lying around inside, so I don't think there was much to find inside.

Which "others" are you referring to? The ones Patchy called "the hostiles"? Because I consider the people who captured Jack, Kate, and Sawyer the "others", and Patchy is one of them. Are you saying you think these people aren't the original Dharma people? If so, wouldn't you think the outside world Dharma folks would've figured out that these people aren't their's, and would stop dropping food and supplies to them? It makes sense to me that the "hostiles" would be people other than the Dharma people on the island, such as the airplane survivors, Rousseau and her team, and other random people that somehow make their way to the island. Thus the irony of Locke pushing the buttons for infiltration by the hostiles (Locke, Sayid, and Kate).

I thought this was a great episode. We found out how the Others communicate with the outside world, and how they order in food/supplies. Locke was typical Locke. He's gone from tough, smart badass to incompetent idiot before. This station could've really helped them out, as Sayid was also a communications officer and could have possible repaired the communications station. Oh well.

The next ep. looks good, too. The electric fence scene reminded me of Jurassic Park.

 

[Dedpuhl]

This episode was MUCH better than the previous two...

 

[49erinnc]

Originally posted by: WT
So Sayid lets Patch live, but would have easily put a bullet into Bens's chest last year in the hatch. Soooooo .... what changed all of a sudden ???

I think you got your answer in last night's flashback story for Sayid. Because of his past with the lady he tortured, Sayid has essentially become a soft-hearted wuss. Even back in season one, he had a really tough time bringing himself to torture Sawyer (sticking the bamboo under his nails). He told Jack he no longer did that stuff. So, I'm not surprised he didn't kill Patch.

I thought it was a good episode but the bar has been set so low this season that it doesn't take much to impress us. I agree that last night's episode would have just been ho-hum had it aired in season 1. Hopefully things will at least continue to pick up with no more lame shows. I realized last night just how much better the show is when the focus isn't on Jack. I like Jack but I'm completely bored with him at this point. It's much better when Sayid/Locke are involved. IMO, Sayid is the best character on there, with Locke being a close 2nd.

 

[CalvinHobbs]

well here me hopes that they give us something even better next week, i've had enough of flashbacks

 

[imported_Imp]

Thought Locke was being retarded, but when it blew, he looked like he knew exactly what was going to happen. That or he's a terrible actor and didn't do the scene right. Think he's pretty good, so leaning towards the former.

 

[mzkhadir]

Russian Speak Translated:

Woman: Mikhail! You know what to do.

Mikhail: We still have another way.

Woman: We cannot risk.

Woman: You know what to do.
Mikhail: We still have another way.

Woman: We cannot risk. You know the conditions.

Mikhail: We have another way.

Woman: They know us. We will ot let them [unintelligible]. You know what to do. It is an order.

Mikhail: But we still have another way! (pause) I'm sorry! (shoots)

Source: Lostpedia

 

[bluestrobe]

I thought the "77" was some type of distress signal. The C4 in the basement doesn't look like it was part of the original build.

 

[rockyct]

Originally posted by: paulxcook

Originally posted by: rockyct
Well, this episode did tell us a couple of definite things.
1) the "Others" were on the island well before the Dharma people
2) the "Others" killed the Dharma people
3) the Dharma people did not want the "Others" to control the Flame station

It's not really Locke's character for him to do something that screws up the story, so I agree with OrganizedChaos. Although, he does have a knack for destroying those Dharma stations. While blowing up the Flame did prevent ABC from filming on a new sound stage (the cave in S1, the hatch in S2), it's going to hurt the "Others" the most. I doubt the Others would have left any portable sat phones lying around inside, so I don't think there was much to find inside.

Which "others" are you referring to? The ones Patchy called "the hostiles"? Because I consider the people who captured Jack, Kate, and Sawyer the "others", and Patchy is one of them. Are you saying you think these people aren't the original Dharma people? If so, wouldn't you think the outside world Dharma folks would've figured out that these people aren't their's, and would stop dropping food and supplies to them? It makes sense to me that the "hostiles" would be people other than the Dharma people on the island, such as the airplane survivors, Rousseau and her team, and other random people that somehow make their way to the island. Thus the irony of Locke pushing the buttons for infiltration by the hostiles (Locke, Sayid, and Kate).

I thought this was a great episode. We found out how the Others communicate with the outside world, and how they order in food/supplies. Locke was typical Locke. He's gone from tough, smart badass to incompetent idiot before. This station could've really helped them out, as Sayid was also a communications officer and could have possible repaired the communications station. Oh well.

The next ep. looks good, too. The electric fence scene reminded me of Jurassic Park.

Hmm, I see where you're going. My interpretation was that the Others are the hostiles and separate from the Dharma people. Patchy would then have been pretending to be a Dharma person when he is actually an Other.

Hmmm, now that I think about it, Dharma=Others does make more sense, but if he had been there for 11 years, isn't that after Dharma shut down? Either way though, I think Locke blowing up the Flame is going to hit the Others pretty hard. It is kind of funny that he blew up the other hatch by not pressing buttons, yet he blew up the Flame because he did press the buttons.

edit: There does seem to be a completely different group of people on the island, which was kind of foreshadowed. Sure the the plane people and a few castaways are not Dharma people, but when considering when the video was recorded, it probably means they found some unfriendly natives when they arrived (the cloud security system, the whispering in the bushes). Also, patchy did say the stuff he said was true, meaning that the Dharma people probably got slaugtered by the natives.

Meh, I'm just going to watch this episode again.

 

[Lifted]

Originally posted by: rockyct

Originally posted by: paulxcook

Originally posted by: rockyct
Well, this episode did tell us a couple of definite things.
1) the "Others" were on the island well before the Dharma people
2) the "Others" killed the Dharma people
3) the Dharma people did not want the "Others" to control the Flame station

It's not really Locke's character for him to do something that screws up the story, so I agree with OrganizedChaos. Although, he does have a knack for destroying those Dharma stations. While blowing up the Flame did prevent ABC from filming on a new sound stage (the cave in S1, the hatch in S2), it's going to hurt the "Others" the most. I doubt the Others would have left any portable sat phones lying around inside, so I don't think there was much to find inside.

Which "others" are you referring to? The ones Patchy called "the hostiles"? Because I consider the people who captured Jack, Kate, and Sawyer the "others", and Patchy is one of them. Are you saying you think these people aren't the original Dharma people? If so, wouldn't you think the outside world Dharma folks would've figured out that these people aren't their's, and would stop dropping food and supplies to them? It makes sense to me that the "hostiles" would be people other than the Dharma people on the island, such as the airplane survivors, Rousseau and her team, and other random people that somehow make their way to the island. Thus the irony of Locke pushing the buttons for infiltration by the hostiles (Locke, Sayid, and Kate).

I thought this was a great episode. We found out how the Others communicate with the outside world, and how they order in food/supplies. Locke was typical Locke. He's gone from tough, smart badass to incompetent idiot before. This station could've really helped them out, as Sayid was also a communications officer and could have possible repaired the communications station. Oh well.

The next ep. looks good, too. The electric fence scene reminded me of Jurassic Park.

Hmm, I see where you're going. My interpretation was that the Others are the hostiles and separate from the Dharma people. Patchy would then have been pretending to be a Dharma person when he is actually an Other.

Hmmm, now that I think about it, Dharma=Others does make more sense, but if he had been there for 11 years, isn't that after Dharma shut down? Either way though, I think Locke blowing up the Flame is going to hit the Others pretty hard. It is kind of funny that he blew up the other hatch by not pressing buttons, yet he blew up the Flame because he did press the buttons.

edit: There does seem to be a completely different group of people on the island, which was kind of foreshadowed. Sure the the plane people and a few castaways are not Dharma people, but when considering when the video was recorded, it probably means they found some unfriendly natives when they arrived (the cloud security system, the whispering in the bushes). Also, patchy did say the stuff he said was true, meaning that the Dharma people probably got slaugtered by the natives.

Meh, I'm just going to watch this episode again.

In the flashbacks with hatch guy (forget his name - guy with the fiance looking for him), we see that at least one of the others was originally in the hatch as well, meaning he was probably part of Dharma. No? Was bearded guy originally an other or not? If he was, why did they leave him in the hatch by himself if they beleived pushing the button was so important? If he wasn't, why is he so tight with them now? Too many damn questions.

 

[loup garou]

I'm watching this one again (gf fell asleep last night before finishing it), and I have to say this is one of my favorite episodes out of any season...

Oh yeah, and as of now, hostiles = the others != Dharma, if you believe the asian dude on the video ("has the station been compromised by hostiles? If so, press 77").

 

[jimmyjam]

Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
what we know:
1)the camera in the flame was working when john looked at it, that means it was connected to a station the people on the plane haven't see yet. this means that others were probably incoming anyway.

Isn't the camera in Flame connected to that room on the Hydra with all of the screens? Didn't we see Patchy appear on one of the TV screens for a second on the TVs in that room?

 

[UpgradeFailure]

Originally posted by: jimmyjam

Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
what we know:
1)the camera in the flame was working when john looked at it, that means it was connected to a station the people on the plane haven't see yet. this means that others were probably incoming anyway.

Isn't the camera in Flame connected to that room on the Hydra with all of the screens? Didn't we see Patchy appear on one of the TV screens for a second on the TVs in that room?

It was in the question mark station

Edit: The pearl (couldn't think of the name). Lock took Desmond, Sayid, Nikki and Paulo there while Mr Ekko was looking for his brother, Sayid re-wired some stuff and got the camera going, and they saw Eyepatch man

 

[bluestrobe]

Originally posted by: jimmyjam
Isn't the camera in Flame connected to that room on the Hydra with all of the screens? Didn't we see Patchy appear on one of the TV screens for a second on the TVs in that room?

I think those monitors were just on the cages and Jack's room.

 

[JMWarren]

Originally posted by: bluestrobe
I thought the "77" was some type of distress signal. The C4 in the basement doesn't look like it was part of the original build.

It is in a way. FAA Transponder code 7700 is General Emergency while 7777 is reserved for military intercept.

 

[OrganizedChaos]

Originally posted by: UpgradeFailure

Originally posted by: jimmyjam

Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
what we know:
1)the camera in the flame was working when john looked at it, that means it was connected to a station the people on the plane haven't see yet. this means that others were probably incoming anyway.

Isn't the camera in Flame connected to that room on the Hydra with all of the screens? Didn't we see Patchy appear on one of the TV screens for a second on the TVs in that room?

It was in the question mark station

Edit: The pearl (couldn't think of the name). Lock took Desmond, Sayid, Nikki and Paulo there while Mr Ekko was looking for his brother, Sayid re-wired some stuff and got the camera going, and they saw Eyepatch man

yup, and patchy broke that camera, the camera that locke looked at was intact and blinking away, thus must have been connected to an others controlled station.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

I would be very wary about thinking the Others are the hostiles. Remember this is LOST, the producers probably want you to believe this is what is happening so that when they reveal the truth it will completely blindside you. Of course I could be wrong...

 

[paulxcook]

Originally posted by: rockyct
things

Originally posted by: paulxcook
stuff

Originally posted by: rockyct

Hmm, I see where you're going. My interpretation was that the Others are the hostiles and separate from the Dharma people. Patchy would then have been pretending to be a Dharma person when he is actually an Other.

Hmmm, now that I think about it, Dharma=Others does make more sense, but if he had been there for 11 years, isn't that after Dharma shut down? Either way though, I think Locke blowing up the Flame is going to hit the Others pretty hard. It is kind of funny that he blew up the other hatch by not pressing buttons, yet he blew up the Flame because he did press the buttons.

edit: There does seem to be a completely different group of people on the island, which was kind of foreshadowed. Sure the the plane people and a few castaways are not Dharma people, but when considering when the video was recorded, it probably means they found some unfriendly natives when they arrived (the cloud security system, the whispering in the bushes). Also, patchy did say the stuff he said was true, meaning that the Dharma people probably got slaugtered by the natives.

Meh, I'm just going to watch this episode again.

Hmm. I still have 2 points of contention about the Others and Dharma being separate people:

1.) I mentioned this earlier- why would Dharma still be sending supplies in by air drop if their whole island team has been slaughtered? (while we're at it, how are the supplies dropped without anyone hearing a plane?)

2.) Juliet, the annoying Others doctor who's hot for Jack, was recruited by Dharma, to the point that they killed her ex so she'd be free of him. She's still around, so at least one Dharma person is there. Is she just a survivor the hostiles/others allowed to stay? Why would they do that? I think at least some of the Others are Dharma.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
I would be very wary about thinking the Others are the hostiles. Remember this is LOST, the producers probably want you to believe this is what is happening so that when they reveal the truth it will completely blindside you. Of course I could be wrong...

Yup, this is part of the reason that I really don't care much anymore. Why try to understand things one way when you know inside that things will probably get flipped upside down.

I'm just sick of the show. They need to make season 4 the last.