Losing 80 pounds before Christmas: Is it possible?

[Blackened]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
less weight for mroe reps reduces fat and size.

Will this myth ever die? High rep, low intensity weight training does NOT burn fat. All it does is tone muscle and build muscular endurance.

To burn fat, you need to do aerobic exercise at or above your target hgeart rate for 30+ minutes. Anerobic exercise cannot burn fat, because your heart rate does not stay above the target long enough therefore your body never uses fat stores for energy.

I agree to an extent - weight training doesn't really help with burning fat in the short term but it is still helpful when used in conjunction with
aerobics. Reason being is that aerobics have a tendency to not only burn fat, but muscle....the weight training can
offset this a bit.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Blackened
I don't recommend weight training exclusively for weight loss - when in combination with high intensity aerobics, it can work...BUT,
to gain muscle mass you need to have a caloric surplus because muscle tissue is generated similarly to fat tissue. This
will obviously interfere with the goal of losing body fat. Weight training and aerobics on non-weight training days will work very well for weight loss without much muscle wasting.

While it is harder to gain muscle mass while losing fat, it is not impossible. And it is NOT a good idea to diet and cardio, but not weight train. Diet and cardio alone can and will cause a loss of muscle mass.

Buiding muscle while losing fat CAN be accomplished by restricting calories no more than 20% if current weight is stable, and by adding in high intensity cardio. In fact, this is the healthiest way to go.

And while cutting sugar in general is good, there is no reason to cut it completely. The more strict you make your diet, the more likely you are to fail.

And why stop dairy? Skim milk is VERY healthy, especially for someone on a vigorous exercise program because it contains calcium, protein and vit. D. Granted, some people have lactose problems. But not all do. I drink skim milk in my protien shakes three times a day.

And fruit??? There is NO REASON to stop eating fruit, and every reason to start. In fact, having an apple with each meal helps fill you up and promotes weight loss. Bananas are great for helping muscle cramps common to new exercisers.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
less weight for mroe reps reduces fat and size.

Will this myth ever die? High rep, low intensity weight training does NOT burn fat. All it does is tone muscle and build muscular endurance.

To burn fat, you need to do aerobic exercise at or above your target hgeart rate for 30+ minutes. Anerobic exercise cannot burn fat, because your heart rate does not stay above the target long enough therefore your body never uses fat stores for energy.

I agree to an extent - weight training doesn't really help with burning fat in the short term but it is still helpful when used in conjunction with
aerobics. Reason being is that aerobics have a tendency to not only burn fat, but muscle....the weight training can
offset this a bit.

You didn't read my previous post, did you?

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
less weight for mroe reps reduces fat and size.

Will this myth ever die? High rep, low intensity weight training does NOT burn fat. All it does is tone muscle and build muscular endurance.

To burn fat, you need to do aerobic exercise at or above your target hgeart rate for 30+ minutes. Anerobic exercise cannot burn fat, because your heart rate does not stay above the target long enough therefore your body never uses fat stores for energy.

I agree to an extent - weight training doesn't really help with burning fat in the short term but it is still helpful when used in conjunction with
aerobics. Reason being is that aerobics have a tendency to not only burn fat, but muscle....the weight training can
offset this a bit.

Aerobic exercise does not "burn muscle". I get in anywhere from 10-15 hours of cycling per week during the summer with no weight training. I should be totally emaciated by your flawed logic.

 

[Blackened]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
less weight for mroe reps reduces fat and size.

Will this myth ever die? High rep, low intensity weight training does NOT burn fat. All it does is tone muscle and build muscular endurance.

To burn fat, you need to do aerobic exercise at or above your target hgeart rate for 30+ minutes. Anerobic exercise cannot burn fat, because your heart rate does not stay above the target long enough therefore your body never uses fat stores for energy.

I agree to an extent - weight training doesn't really help with burning fat in the short term but it is still helpful when used in conjunction with
aerobics. Reason being is that aerobics have a tendency to not only burn fat, but muscle....the weight training can
offset this a bit.

You didn't read my previous post, did you?

Did you post your previous damn post before or after my posts?

 

[Blackened]

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
less weight for mroe reps reduces fat and size.

Will this myth ever die? High rep, low intensity weight training does NOT burn fat. All it does is tone muscle and build muscular endurance.

To burn fat, you need to do aerobic exercise at or above your target hgeart rate for 30+ minutes. Anerobic exercise cannot burn fat, because your heart rate does not stay above the target long enough therefore your body never uses fat stores for energy.

I agree to an extent - weight training doesn't really help with burning fat in the short term but it is still helpful when used in conjunction with
aerobics. Reason being is that aerobics have a tendency to not only burn fat, but muscle....the weight training can
offset this a bit.

Aerobic exercise does not "burn muscle". I get in anywhere from 10-15 hours of cycling per week during the summer with no weight training. I should be totally emaciated by your flawed logic.

BULLSHIT. The effects of excessive aerobic exercise and muscle wasting are well documented, so I won't argue with you.
As well in practical use, i'm a competetive bodybuilder and when i'm preparing for a show...with restricted calories and
fewer carbs I most definitely lose size and strength - this is universal among ANY bodybuilder that diets without
pharmaceutical assistance. Hell, even with steroids most bodybuilders lose a little size to achieve a ripped, veiny look for
shows.

 

[Blackened]

Originally posted by: Amused

While it is harder to gain muscle mass while losing fat, it is not impossible. And it is NOT a good idea to diet and cardio, but not weight train. Diet and cardio alone can and will cause a loss of muscle mass.

Its not impossible, but extrodinarily difficult. And I agree with you on the second point, "you didn't read my previous post did you??"

And while cutting sugar in general is good, there is no reason to cut it completely. The more strict you make your diet, the more likely you are to fail.

If the original poster wants an "easy" diet, get some goddamn liposuction. Effort in = Results out, PERIOD!

And why stop dairy? Skim milk is VERY healthy, especially for someone on a vigorous exercise program because it contains calcium, protein and vit. D. Granted, some people have lactose problems. But not all do. I drink skim milk in my protien shakes three times a day.

Its healthy in the sense that it contains plenty of anti oxidants, but it is also high in sugar which causes a corresponding rise
in insulin. READ THE EFFECTS OF INSULIN AND FAT STORAGE. SMART GUY.

And fruit??? There is NO REASON to stop eating fruit, and every reason to start. In fact, having an apple with each meal helps fill you up and promotes weight loss. Bananas are great for helping muscle cramps common to new exercisers.

Sure, fruit is okay once in a while, but ultimately one can get better results without. Most fruit contain a gob of sugar which
will raise insulin levels, halting lipolysis and promote bodyfat storage. AGAIN, RESEARCH THE EFFECTS OF INSULIN ON FAT STORAGE,
SMART GUY. I've studied nutrition for years and have achieved sub 5% bodyfat levels for shows, but i'm sure you know WAY more
than I do.


Lets make it clear that the original poster does not HAVE to eliminate all sugar based products and fruit to achieve results - but the
results will come quicker without them. I leave that choice to the original poster.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
less weight for mroe reps reduces fat and size.

Will this myth ever die? High rep, low intensity weight training does NOT burn fat. All it does is tone muscle and build muscular endurance.

To burn fat, you need to do aerobic exercise at or above your target hgeart rate for 30+ minutes. Anerobic exercise cannot burn fat, because your heart rate does not stay above the target long enough therefore your body never uses fat stores for energy.

I agree to an extent - weight training doesn't really help with burning fat in the short term but it is still helpful when used in conjunction with
aerobics. Reason being is that aerobics have a tendency to not only burn fat, but muscle....the weight training can
offset this a bit.

Aerobic exercise does not "burn muscle". I get in anywhere from 10-15 hours of cycling per week during the summer with no weight training. I should be totally emaciated by your flawed logic.

BULLSHIT. The effects of excessive aerobic exercise and muscle wasting are well documented, so I won't argue with you.
As well in practical use, i'm a competetive bodybuilder and when i'm preparing for a show...with restricted calories and
fewer carbs I most definitely size and strength - this is universal among any bodybuilder that diets without
pharmaceutical assistance.

Restricted calories....gosh, I wonder if that's what's eating up the muscles? It's the caloric deficit created, not the aerobic exercise itself. If you eat enough to offset all the calories you burned you won't lose muscle mass. It's not like I'm catabolizing my biceps for fuel on an 80-mile bike ride.

 

[Blackened]

If you don't believe the effects of sugar on insulin levels, and the relationship between insulin secretion and fat storage, do a search on "insulin resistance". Chronic insulin elevation WILL CAUSE FAT STORAGE, PERIOD.

That was my whole premise behind the original poster eliminating fruits and dairy products for even better results, even though he can still get results without eliminating them. If you check the insulin or glycemic index for how these foods manipulate blood glucose and serum insulin levels, you'll see that better bodyfat loss can be achieved without them.

But i'm SURE You know more about this than I do, smart guy!

 

[Atlantean]

Try doing the atkins diet, cut out all carbs, and exercise with it, if you stick to it you can lose the weight.

 

[Blackened]

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
less weight for mroe reps reduces fat and size.

Will this myth ever die? High rep, low intensity weight training does NOT burn fat. All it does is tone muscle and build muscular endurance.

To burn fat, you need to do aerobic exercise at or above your target hgeart rate for 30+ minutes. Anerobic exercise cannot burn fat, because your heart rate does not stay above the target long enough therefore your body never uses fat stores for energy.

I agree to an extent - weight training doesn't really help with burning fat in the short term but it is still helpful when used in conjunction with
aerobics. Reason being is that aerobics have a tendency to not only burn fat, but muscle....the weight training can
offset this a bit.

Aerobic exercise does not "burn muscle". I get in anywhere from 10-15 hours of cycling per week during the summer with no weight training. I should be totally emaciated by your flawed logic.

BULLSHIT. The effects of excessive aerobic exercise and muscle wasting are well documented, so I won't argue with you.
As well in practical use, i'm a competetive bodybuilder and when i'm preparing for a show...with restricted calories and
fewer carbs I most definitely size and strength - this is universal among any bodybuilder that diets without
pharmaceutical assistance.

Restricted calories....gosh, I wonder if that's what's eating up the muscles? It's the caloric deficit created, not the aerobic exercise itself. If you eat enough to offset all the calories you burned you won't lose muscle mass. It's not like I'm catabolizing my biceps for fuel on an 80-mile bike ride.

Yeah, roll your eyes jackass. Like I said muscle wasting effects of excessive cardio is well documented if you care to do any research.

 

[StageLeft]

Yes you can do it. There are too many threads made on how to do it for me to work up my limited energy right now but you can safely lose that 80 pounds by Xmas.

 

[Blackened]

Jesus christ, this is why I don't offer people dieting advice anymore. People ask me how they can lose weight
because they see that i'm in very good shape and very muscular, yet when I tell them exactly how I achieved
my results over the past five years they want to argue with me. Reminds me of some fat bitch at work that asked how
she could lose 100 lbs, and I told her to first stop eating a can of peanuts a day..at which point she argued
with me that peanuts are healthy. 1 can = 2000 calories, pfft. She also eats ice cream right before bed
because her doctor said it might be "healthy", but she CANNOT be told to stop doing it.

So in summary, i'm done with this thread because there are way too many nutritional experts here that
know more about glucose/insulin/weight management than I do.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Amused

While it is harder to gain muscle mass while losing fat, it is not impossible. And it is NOT a good idea to diet and cardio, but not weight train. Diet and cardio alone can and will cause a loss of muscle mass.

Its not impossible, but extrodinarily difficult. And I agree with you on the second point, "you didn't read my previous post did you??"

And while cutting sugar in general is good, there is no reason to cut it completely. The more strict you make your diet, the more likely you are to fail.

If the original poster wants an "easy" diet, get some goddamn liposuction. Effort in = Results out, PERIOD!

And why stop dairy? Skim milk is VERY healthy, especially for someone on a vigorous exercise program because it contains calcium, protein and vit. D. Granted, some people have lactose problems. But not all do. I drink skim milk in my protien shakes three times a day.

Its healthy in the sense that it contains plenty of anti oxidants, but it is also high in sugar which causes a corresponding rise
in insulin. READ THE EFFECTS OF INSULIN AND FAT STORAGE. SMART GUY.

And fruit??? There is NO REASON to stop eating fruit, and every reason to start. In fact, having an apple with each meal helps fill you up and promotes weight loss. Bananas are great for helping muscle cramps common to new exercisers.

Sure, fruit is okay once in a while, but ultimately one can get better results without. Most fruit contain a gob of sugar which
will raise insulin levels, halting lipolysis and promote bodyfat storage. AGAIN, RESEARCH THE EFFECTS OF INSULIN ON FAT STORAGE,
SMART GUY. I've studied nutrition for years and have achieved sub 5% bodyfat levels for shows, but i'm sure you know WAY more
than I do.

Lets make it clear that the original poster does not HAVE to eliminate all sugar based products and fruit to achieve results - but the
results will come quicker without them. I leave that choice to the original poster.

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I do not disagree that effort in = results. However, the more restrictive a diet, the more likely someone is to just give it up altogether. The key here is the long run and reality.

Meanwhile, read up on the kinds of sugars in apples. I think you'll be surprised. And the health benefits of fruits will far outweigh any possible insulin spikes... especially in a person who is generally unhealthy to begin with.

The things you propose are far too stringent for the average person, and will more than likely cause failure. He can make much the same gains in a reasonable amount of time using moderation, instead of abstinance. You are a fanatic, preaching fanatical methods to a 280 lb couch potato. What are the odds he'll read your advice and just give up compared to the odds he'll read my advice and just give up?

How do I know my advice will work? Because I went from 210 last year to 185. A 35" waist to 31." 10 reps @ 90lbs on the bench to 10 reps @ 220lbs. No, I'm not a 5% body fat, body builder like you, nor do I want to be. However, I'm an averge joe who changed his lifestyle in a way that I don't have to restrict myself so much I'm left wanting, AND I look better than 90+% of the guys on the beach.

If he had come here and asked how to be a competitive body builder, you might have been giving good advice. But he didn't, and you're not.

 

[Blackened]

Amused, I essentially agree with you. I eat fruits daily for their anti oxidant effects, but I wanted to lose 80 lbs of fat there
is no way in hell I would be eating them- as fat loss will be accelerated without them. I would instead take
2 multivitamins daily to offset the loss in vitamins/antioxidants.

You're right on the last part, i'm merely presenting my version of the militant diet to achieve the fastest
bodyfat loss possible. Most people can achieve considerable results by taking baby steps instead
of jumping head on into it.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Blackened
Amused, I essentially agree with you. I eat fruits daily for their anti oxidant effects, but I wanted to lose 80 lbs of fat there
is no way in hell I would be eating them- as fat loss will be accelerated without them. I would instead take
2 multivitamins daily to offset the loss in vitamins/antioxidants.

You're right on the last part, i'm merely presenting my version of the militant diet to achieve the fastest
bodyfat loss possible. Most people can achieve considerable results by taking baby steps instead
of jumping head on into it.

OK, cool Then we agree

Forgive my last post. It was written while you were writing yours.

 

[UNCjigga]

See this thread yet?

Inspirational photos

Actually, that guy was checking his stats and saw a lot of peeps being referred from AT, so he registered here. I believe his username here is JohnStoneFL...try PM'ing him for tips!

EDIT: OH YEAH, HE'S ONLY BEEN AT IT FOR 3 MONTHS!!!

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
less weight for mroe reps reduces fat and size.

Will this myth ever die? High rep, low intensity weight training does NOT burn fat. All it does is tone muscle and build muscular endurance.

To burn fat, you need to do aerobic exercise at or above your target hgeart rate for 30+ minutes. Anerobic exercise cannot burn fat, because your heart rate does not stay above the target long enough therefore your body never uses fat stores for energy.

I agree to an extent - weight training doesn't really help with burning fat in the short term but it is still helpful when used in conjunction with
aerobics. Reason being is that aerobics have a tendency to not only burn fat, but muscle....the weight training can
offset this a bit.

Aerobic exercise does not "burn muscle". I get in anywhere from 10-15 hours of cycling per week during the summer with no weight training. I should be totally emaciated by your flawed logic.

BULLSHIT. The effects of excessive aerobic exercise and muscle wasting are well documented, so I won't argue with you.
As well in practical use, i'm a competetive bodybuilder and when i'm preparing for a show...with restricted calories and
fewer carbs I most definitely size and strength - this is universal among any bodybuilder that diets without
pharmaceutical assistance.

Restricted calories....gosh, I wonder if that's what's eating up the muscles? It's the caloric deficit created, not the aerobic exercise itself. If you eat enough to offset all the calories you burned you won't lose muscle mass. It's not like I'm catabolizing my biceps for fuel on an 80-mile bike ride.

Yeah, roll your eyes jackass. Like I said muscle wasting effects of excessive cardio is well documented if you care to do any research.

I'm sorry, but unless you are chronically undernourished and overtrained, your body will not "burn muscle" to any significant degree. I'd look like a stick figure if this were the case.

I'm not saying that Phoenix shouldn't do both cardio and resistance training (he should) but he doesn't need to worry about muscle wasting unless he's running a marathon and eating only three blades of grass every day. The guys racing the Tour de France are indeed emaciated, but they also put more miles on their bikes every year than most people put on their cars. There's obviously almost no way the body can keep up repairs under that kind of stress. This is totally irrelevant to the average person since 30 min of cardio 5x per week is "a lot" for them. It takes more than that to throw yourself into a state of overtraining, believe me.

 

[tontod]

Originally posted by: Phoenix15
I need to lose weight. Right now I'm about 280, I need to get down to about 200. I am planning on starting immediately. I have already cut out all soda's, and I am about to start a 3 day a week exercise routine. I need to know what exercises would help me the most. I have access to a stationary bike, free weights and running. I seem to carry most of my weight in my stomach, so I need to concentrate on that a lot. Are there any supplements that I should look into? I dont mind exercises, I am just usually so run down and have zero energy. If anyone knows of anything that will help me in any way, I would really appreciate it.

Get on the Atkins diet. I lost ~25 pounds in 3 months. However, I havent exercised much lately. If you do atkins and work out/exercise regularly, you'll lose even more weight faster. I highly recommend it. Read about it here.

 

[Blackened]

Originally posted by: tontod

Originally posted by: Phoenix15
I need to lose weight. Right now I'm about 280, I need to get down to about 200. I am planning on starting immediately. I have already cut out all soda's, and I am about to start a 3 day a week exercise routine. I need to know what exercises would help me the most. I have access to a stationary bike, free weights and running. I seem to carry most of my weight in my stomach, so I need to concentrate on that a lot. Are there any supplements that I should look into? I dont mind exercises, I am just usually so run down and have zero energy. If anyone knows of anything that will help me in any way, I would really appreciate it.

Get on the Atkins diet. I lost ~25 pounds in 3 months. However, I havent exercised much lately. If you do atkins and work out/exercise regularly, you'll lose even more weight faster. I highly recommend it. Read about it here.

Atkins diet works because it prevents insulin elevation. BUT it has problems - being in ketosis for a long period of time is almost as bad as
having chronic insulin elevation, and a large majority of weight lost in the first month or so is water, not fat. Alot of people pay way too much
attention to the weight scale when instead they should have their bodyfat levels tested professionally.

Restricting carbs for any amount of time may cause thyroid problems which will lower ones metabolism, which leads to a massive rebound
when resuming normal eating. Also, it seems that some people don't understand that calories STILL count even on the atkins diet..

 

[SCSIfreek]

I'm glad everyone here is giving out good advices. ATOT is a friendly environment and please keep that in mind. we are not here to pound on eachother face but instead to give inspirations to other in need. Keep up the good work and I'm sure our friend here will lose that 80lbs IF he sticks with his plans. As Amused had mentioned, being a couch potato won't get you anywhere. Start doing more excercise and pump up your heart rate. watch your intake and adjust you body to a whole new lifestyle.

Extreme fast diet in losing weight = the faster you'll gain it all back. (do this if you're the discipline type).

Moderate weight lost and change of eating habits = a better way to lose weight for the average joe.

I'm glad this thread had inspired me to get my fat a$$ back into shape. Started last week and things are changing. (drink lots of water) Although I'm going for the extreme which I dont suggest others of doing.
I'm 5'10"

Last week -190lbs
This week - 180lbs (unhealthy but I'm trying to reach 165lbs if possible and keep at it)

Fruits, lots of water, meat(ham 99% fat free), vegeies, little carbs (rice, pasta and noodle), some excercise, no fast food, no soda, candyless and a good night sleep.

--Scsi

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Yes it is. I lost 85 pounds in 5 months.

How?

I went pure, 100% Vegan. Combine that with some exercise, and give up soda and you should come close to, if not beat, your goal.

I'm dead serious, by the way.

Ugh... I could never last on a vegan diet...

 

[skateallday]

Yeah its possible. just gotta stick with it.