I seem to vaguely remember a final battle where a hobbit is fighting a Nazgul or someone powerful and he defeats him after the Nazgul falls on his sword or something like that. Am I thinking of a different book or did this happen in RotK?
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You're thinking of Eowin, the girl who disguised herself as a man to ride with the Rohirrim and fight at gondor. One of the hobbits, I think it was Merry or Pippin, crept up behind the Witch King (leader of the Nazgul) and stabbed him in the leg with a magical blade. This apparently weakened him enough for Eowin to stab him in the face and kill him. Yes that happened in ROTK.
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just did a quick google: found this on a forum discussing it:
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Default Re: "No Man can Kill Me" what is ment by "Man"?
In Lord of the Rings "Man" with a capital means the race of Men, "man" uncapitalized can mean a male of any race, although it's not often used. Glorfindel's prophecy also may or may not have been phrased in such a way so that it was still true, but also dissuaded Earnur from following the WK.
As for who wounded and who killed the Witch King, Merry wounded him and broke some spell defending the WK from normal weapons since the Barrow Blades that Tom Bombadil gave the Hobbits was "specially wrought" in Arnor with the purpose of destroying spirits such as Barrow-Wights and Nazgul. Eowyn then stabbed him "between crown and mantle" which finally destroyed the WK. In short, Merry's strike didn't hit an area vital enough to outright kill the Witch King, but if his blade hadn't broken that spell then Eowyn's wouldn't have done anything. It was a true team effort.
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Default Re: "No Man can Kill Me" what is ment by "Man"?
In Lord of the Rings "Man" with a capital means the race of Men, "man" uncapitalized can mean a male of any race, although it's not often used. Glorfindel's prophecy also may or may not have been phrased in such a way so that it was still true, but also dissuaded Earnur from following the WK.
As for who wounded and who killed the Witch King, Merry wounded him and broke some spell defending the WK from normal weapons since the Barrow Blades that Tom Bombadil gave the Hobbits was "specially wrought" in Arnor with the purpose of destroying spirits such as Barrow-Wights and Nazgul. Eowyn then stabbed him "between crown and mantle" which finally destroyed the WK. In short, Merry's strike didn't hit an area vital enough to outright kill the Witch King, but if his blade hadn't broken that spell then Eowyn's wouldn't have done anything. It was a true team effort.
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That's actually pretty interesting. I've always wondered what they meant by "no man can kill me".
I always assumed that even though he may be temporarily stopped, he would eventually be "reborn" or something.
But if the above is correct, then that makes a better story.
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The Nazgul have a willpower, and this is manifested in the terror used to sap resistance, they also can be physically halted, but their spirits go shrieking back to the Dark Tower, and because they're lesser spirits, they're more easily re-manifested in physical form. I recall reading that.
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Wilst in college taking Sci Fi and Fantasy (I have a minor in English), the prof brought in a Tolkenian scholar. As in someone who studies Tolkien. I barely managed to stay awake, and I like Tolkien. I can't imagine dedicating my life to the study of his work though.
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Originally posted by: Jeff7
What's next, Lucas and Roddenberry scholars?
I was just glad I didn't have to write a paper on his diatribe. That was the heaviest loaded reading course I ever took. Fucking 2 feet tall stack of books for 1 semester.
No, they were not hardcover, every single book was paperback, even the LOTR.
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Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: Jeff7
What's next, Lucas and Roddenberry scholars?
I was just glad I didn't have to write a paper on his diatribe. That was the heaviest loaded reading course I ever took. Fucking 2 feet tall stack of books for 1 semester.
No, they were not hardcover, every single book was paperback, even the LOTR.
Hey, I have over a 2 foot stack of Tolkien books, all paperback too!
acheron
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Originally posted by: nkgreen
Me too.
I bet Goldberry would of been hot.
Most of the women in Tolkien are described as "beautiful" and "fair" and so on -- the only one who's really described as sexy is Luthien. In at least one version of the story, she basically does a striptease to distract the dark lord Morgoth, who then decides he wants to rape her. (She escapes, though.) (I think that's in The Book of Lost Tales and/or The Lays of Beleriand.)
The version of the story in The Silmarillion is a bit tamer, though... I believe in that version she just "sings", and that's apparently good enough to distract Morgoth from the fact that Beren is sneaking in to steal a Silmaril.
Anyway, I don't mind Tom Bombadil in the book, but man would that have slowed down the movie. I would have liked to see the Scouring of the Shire in the movie, though.
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Originally posted by: compman25
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: Jeff7
What's next, Lucas and Roddenberry scholars?
I was just glad I didn't have to write a paper on his diatribe. That was the heaviest loaded reading course I ever took. Fucking 2 feet tall stack of books for 1 semester.
No, they were not hardcover, every single book was paperback, even the LOTR.
Hey, I have over a 2 foot stack of Tolkien books, all paperback too!
err, I was commenting on the amount of reading I had to do.
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Originally posted by: nkgreen
Me too.
I bet Goldberry would of been hot.
Most of the women in Tolkien are described as "beautiful" and "fair" and so on -- the only one who's really described as sexy is Luthien. In at least one version of the story, she basically does a striptease to distract the dark lord Morgoth, who then decides he wants to rape her. (She escapes, though.) (I think that's in The Book of Lost Tales and/or The Lays of Beleriand.)
Anyway, I don't mind Tom Bombadil in the book, but man would that have slowed down the movie. I would have liked to see the Scouring of the Shire in the movie, though.
i would have liked to see him but i agree it would have slowed things down right at the start, and for those that didnt allreay know the story it woudl have just confused the fuck outta them
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I disagree. For me, the pivotal part of the trilogy is when they're all at Rivendell and discussing what they can do to keep the ring safe. In the book it's layed out clearly that as insane as it sounds, taking it to Mordor is the only option. During that discussion Tom Bombadil is brought up as an option by Frodo and Elrond agrees he would be strong enough to keep it safe but that he'd eventually become too careless with it.
It was the perfect way to convey to us as the reader and Frodo as the protagonist that strength and will wasn't enough and that eventually the dark lord would end up getting the ring.
I'm glad that PJ opted to keep Bombadil out of the movies. There's just some decisions you HAVE to make in the interest of everyone, and Tom would have been out of place as hell in the movie. He's like this singing, prancing, god-thing... not sure how that would be flowed in with the whole urgency to flee from the Shire and dodge ring-wraiths.
In the books, the journey out of the Shire felt considerably more leisurely than the movies, where running into random situations and characters would flow better. Peter Jackson does a good job of cranking up the danger and mood of the ring's travels.
In the books, the journey out of the Shire felt considerably more leisurely than the movies, where running into random situations and characters would flow better. Peter Jackson does a good job of cranking up the danger and mood of the ring's travels.
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