Lord of the Rings question *Spoiler*

[Mucman]

WARNING - this thread contains a spoiler that will ruin the next film of the Lord of the Rings trilogy.
















































































When Gandalf takes out the balrog in Moria, I understand that they both survive the fall and they duke it out for another 7 days. Does anyone know if they
are going to have any part of that shown in TTT?

 

[ndee]

please make the spoiler space bigger.......... kinda unfair

 

[StageLeft]

Yes you are right. He does not die and will make a return in TTT.

EDIT: He makes a return but I don't think they'll show any more of the fight.

 

[jjones]

i dunno but i kinda think they'll have to show something about it when he explains his return to the others.

 

[Kev]

fudge. my friggin curious mind read it. oh well, i have been spoiled at my own fault.

I didn't think he really died anyway.

 

[Mucman]

OK, I added more space Darnit... I was hoping for more balrog footage

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

In the book he returns...can't really remember more than that tho.

 

[Martin]

its a safe bet they'll show it. I mean, they showed that awesome Battle at the end of the second age, surely they'll show this.

 

[jobberd]

K, do you honestly think theyd be stupid enough to pass up a battle like that? I bet that battle is priority no. 1 for WETA right now. Just because it wasn't covered in much detail in the book doesn't mean they won't focus on it more in the movie

 

[Nitemare]

What I want to know is since the skipped Sam's vision in the elf village...Are they going to skip the human occupation of the Shire at the end of the last book?

 

[Mucman]

Nitemare - From what I have heard, the Scouring of the Shire will not be in the movies.

 

[NelsonMuntz]

<< K, do you honestly think theyd be stupid enough to pass up a battle like that? I bet that battle is priority no. 1 for WETA right now. Just because it wasn't covered in much detail in the book doesn't mean they won't focus on it more in the movie >>


I wouldn't necessarily bank on them covering the fight either. You'll notice that the Writer/Director (Peter Jackson, I think) tried to keep the timeline pretty linear so there wouldn't be any flashbbacks in the first movie, and if he continues that trend in the next one then we won't hear much about the fight at all when Gandalf returns because it doesn't look like he favors flashbacks and the only way to avoid a retelling of the fight in the form of a flashback would have been to show the continuation of it while the rest of the group continued the journey.
Now in this case you might say that he wants to keep the non-readers in suspense until the middle of the second movie about it, and that very well might be the case, but he chose to basically eliminate the under-riding theme of the first part of the Fellowship which is what happened to Gandalf? In the book, the reader was forced to join Frodo in wondering that through the entire journey from the Shire to Rivendell and then Gandalf's activities were retold at Rivendell. Same thing happened in the Two Towers when Gandalf disappeared for the whole first half and then reappears in the second half to tell what happened to him.
I suppose they could show the fight right at the beginning of the second film to catch you up as to what happened to Gandalf because you would be finding out about it in an hour or so anyway, but who knows for sure?
Complete conjecture on my part obviously.

 

[isildur]

I'm not so sure about PJ avoiding flashbacks - there are several significant ones in FOTR as it is in the theaters. Gandalf flashes back to Isengard while talking to Frodo in Rivendell and Elrond flashes to The Last Alliance there as well. This may indeed be alluded to in the same way: Gandalf flashes back to it as he tells Aragorn/Gimli/Legolas about it.

BTW: Gandalf dies. Tolkien indicated that his spirit had left Middle-Earth and was sent back, re-empowered as The White to finish the work.

under-riding theme of the first part of the Fellowship which is what happened to Gandalf?

I really think this is overstating this part. Sure, Frodo wonders about it, but it wasn't an "underriding theme."

 

[NelsonMuntz]

<< I'm not so sure about PJ avoiding flashbacks - there are several significant ones in FOTR as it is in the theaters. Gandalf flashes back to Isengard while talking to Frodo in Rivendell and Elrond flashes to The Last Alliance there as well. This may indeed be alluded to in the same way: Gandalf flashes back to it as he tells Aragorn/Gimli/Legolas about it. >>


I am not sure about the first flash back you are referring to, but the other one you mention are about events not in the timeline of the trilogy. Jackson told history through flashbacks, but I don't think he told current events through flashbacks unlike the book where current events are told through flashbacks occasionally.


<< under-riding theme of the first part of the Fellowship which is what happened to Gandalf?

I really think this is overstating this part. Sure, Frodo wonders about it, but it wasn't an "underriding theme." >>


I thought that was a theme that really made Fellowship and the Two Towers similar. It wasn't like Frodo just thought about it in passing once and forgot about it. It is mentioned several times in the trip to Rivendell and a discussed with Aragorn a couple of times. Aragorn wondered about it, Frodo wondered about it, Sam wondered about it. I think there was quite a bit there. BTW, I have only read the trilogy once and I am rereading it right now. I just finished book one of the Fellowship so they just arrived in Rivendell and that part of the book is very fresh in my mind.

 

[yllus]

LOL, all of a sudden I'm thinking of what would happen if the director decides to edit the movie script so that Gandalf really DOES die, to cut down on screen time for that character. Can you imagine the outcry if that happened?

 

[NelsonMuntz]

<< LOL, all of a sudden I'm thinking of what would happen if the director decides to edit the movie script so that Gandalf really DOES die, to cut down on screen time for that character. Can you imagine the outcry if that happened? >>


No kidding, I know I'd be PISSED!

 

[StageLeft]

<< tried to keep the timeline pretty linear so there wouldn't be any flashbbacks in the first movie, and if he continues that trend in the next one then we won't hear much about the fight at all when Gandalf >>

This is true, but it is in the second book when Gandalf explains what happened to his comrades, so on second thoughts there is a good chance that they'll go over it...not sure though really.

 

[joinT]

ARRGH, now i don't know whether to look or not ~~!!
edit OMG is THAT ALL ~!~!

I thought it was something particular to the movie.. you should tell everyone it's only a spoiler for those who've never read the series :disgust:

 

[desy]

I figure they'll go over it.
Just like his escape from Isengard which was handled the same way in the book.

 

[Piano Man]

They better show the damn scene when he is telling the story of how he survived. That would be an awesome sequence.