Looks like the Senate has gone nuclear

[Fanatical Meat]

and I'm alright with it, I think the filibusterer is a useful tool to moderate our Government but its been over used the last few years and it seems like its actually making the Government more extreme. Also maybe we'll see a reform later where Filibusterers need to be done old school style by talking, not some anonymous box someone checks off on a piece of paper.
Ideally I would have like a compromise between D's & R's that this nominee will pass but the next nominee (likely to fill RBG's spot) would be more Liberal. However the Republican caucus doesn't like to keep its commitments at the moment so I don't think an agreement like that is possible today *see the first paragraph about the filibusterer being over used. I know today is only about a Court nominee but we all know the box is getting opened more and more its only a matter of time until its gone.

 

[Blackjack200]

and I'm alright with it, I think the filibusterer is a useful tool to moderate our Government but its been over used the last few years and it seems like its actually making the Government more extreme. Also maybe we'll see a reform later where Filibusterers need to be done old school style by talking, not some anonymous box someone checks off on a piece of paper.
Ideally I would have like a compromise between D's & R's that this nominee will pass but the next nominee (likely to fill RBG's spot) would be more Liberal. However the Republican caucus doesn't like to keep its commitments at the moment so I don't think an agreement like that is possible today *see the first paragraph about the filibusterer being over used. I know today is only about a Court nominee but we all know the box is getting opened more and more its only a matter of time until its gone.

Context is important.

The Democrats killed the judicial filibuster for all but the SCOTUS after the R senate refused to confirm any of Obama's appointments.

The Republicans have now killed the SCOTUS filibuster after refusing to consider Obama's centrist SCOTUS nominee and then nominating a grotesque judge to steal the seat. If the Democrats had any principles (they don't) they'd declare the SCOTUS illegitimate until Gorsuch is removed.

 

[brandonbull]

Context is important.

The Democrats killed the judicial filibuster for all but the SCOTUS after the R senate refused to confirm any of Obama's appointments.

The Republicans have now killed the SCOTUS filibuster after refusing to consider Obama's centrist SCOTUS nominee and then nominating a grotesque judge to steal the seat. If the Democrats had any principles (they don't) they'd declare the SCOTUS illegitimate until Gorsuch is removed.

If the Democrats and Republicans had any principles (they don't) they'd declare the their parties illegitimate and remove themselves from political office.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

If the Democrats and Republicans had any principles (they don't) they'd declare the their parties illegitimate and remove themselves from political office.

While I agree in principle but what would the next steps be, make a red hat & blue tie parties? Its human nature to team up with like minded people.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

As expected and will continue to be used until the rules are changed again.

 

[dank69]

One fucking filibuster and GOP goes nuclear after how many filibusters against Democrats in Obama's tenure? After they blasted Democrats for going nuclear in response? And the narrative from the insane conservatives is that it's the Democrats that are hypocrites. LOL

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Context is important.

The Democrats killed the judicial filibuster for all but the SCOTUS after the R senate refused to confirm any of Obama's appointments.

The Republicans have now killed the SCOTUS filibuster after refusing to consider Obama's centrist SCOTUS nominee and then nominating a grotesque judge to steal the seat. If the Democrats had any principles (they don't) they'd declare the SCOTUS illegitimate until Gorsuch is removed.

Democrats started this unrelenting partisan bullshit in regard to judicial appointments in 2003. Yes, context is important.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Democrats started this unrelenting partisan bullshit in regard to judicial appointments in 2003. Yes, context is important.

The argument is nothing would happen otherwise but I agree the past isn't too important because its already happened. Today is more important because its now.
As nearly everything in life the truth is somewhere in the middle

 

[theeedude]

More seats can be added to SCOTUS with 50+1 votes too. I think it's good that they are getting rid of the filibuster. Legislative next.

 

[theeedude]

Does anyone really believe that Trump would nominate a moderate next time if Dems didn't filibuster Gorsuch?
The way this stolen seat will be repaid is by adding two more seats to SCOTUS under a Democrat president. This can be done with 50+1 votes after nuking the legislative filibuster.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Does anyone really believe that Trump would nominate a moderate next time if Dems didn't filibuster Gorsuch?
The way this stolen seat will be repaid is by adding two more seats to SCOTUS under a Democrat president. This can be done with 50+1 votes after nuking the legislative filibuster.

Why add two more now under Trump??

 

[imported_tajmahal]

They invoked the Reid Rule, but not for legislation............yet. Hopefully that will be the next step.

 

[theeedude]

Why add two more now under Trump??

McConnell wants to keep legislative filibuster, because he is afraid Dems will pass Medicare for all with 50+1 votes too.
But that's not binding on anyone. So yes, he can add seats now too, then Dems can add more later. There is nothing in the Constitution limiting seats on SCOTUS. Congress decides.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

One fucking filibuster and GOP goes nuclear after how many filibusters against Democrats in Obama's tenure? After they blasted Democrats for going nuclear in response? And the narrative from the insane conservatives is that it's the Democrats that are hypocrites. LOL

Remember that Chuck said that no Republican appointment would be allowed, not just now but during this administration. Given that why would the Republicans act on that statement and go with their choice? Ten candidates later... still blocked.

This is the new norm and naturally the Dems will adopt this as theirs when they have a chance. Many people wanted the filibuster gone, and now it is, except for legislation. Who knows about that later though.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

They invoked the Reid Rule, but not for legislation............yet. Hopefully that will be the next step.

Today I agree with you & Putin it will marginalize the Freedumb caucus guys and add some level of responsibility to what gets voted for. See the last healthcare proposal

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

The argument is nothing would happen otherwise but I agree the past isn't too important because its already happened. Today is more important because its now.
As nearly everything in life the truth is somewhere in the middle

Just telling it like it is. Judicial appointments used to revolve around perceived competency. Starting in 2003 opposition became much more based on perceived ideology rather than competency as the left began to essentially blur this distinction by viewing ideology and competency as effectively synonymous.

 

[First]

Just telling it like it is. Judicial appointments used to revolve around perceived competency. Starting in 2003 opposition became much more based on perceived ideology rather than competency as the left began to essentially blur this distinction view each as effectively synonymous.

lol

 

[Jhhnn]

Democrats started this unrelenting partisan bullshit in regard to judicial appointments in 2003. Yes, context is important.

Gawd. Republicans started it long before that with radical nominees like Bork.

 

[Jhhnn]

One fucking filibuster and GOP goes nuclear after how many filibusters against Democrats in Obama's tenure? After they blasted Democrats for going nuclear in response? And the narrative from the insane conservatives is that it's the Democrats that are hypocrites. LOL

And that doesn't even approach the subject of Repub depravity wrought upon Garland.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Just telling it like it is. Judicial appointments used to revolve around perceived competency. Starting in 2003 opposition became much more based on perceived ideology rather than competency as the left began to essentially blur this distinction by viewing ideology and competency as effectively synonymous.

And that doesn't even approach the subject of Repub depravity wrought upon Garland.

Still irrelevant to today. Takes minimum two to make agreements and in the past we didn't reliably have that

 

[Blackjack200]

Remember that Chuck said that no Republican appointment would be allowed, not just now but during this administration. Given that why would the Republicans act on that statement and go with their choice? Ten candidates later... still blocked.

This is the new norm and naturally the Dems will adopt this as theirs when they have a chance. Many people wanted the filibuster gone, and now it is, except for legislation. Who knows about that later though.

Schumer doesn't have an iron grip on the D senators. 3 of them voted for cloture on an extremist like Gorsuch, I don't see how you can argue that a more centrist candidate couldn't have gotten 60 votes.

The Republicans stole the seat and then rammed an extremist through by arguing - without evidence - that the Democrats would do what only they themselves had already done.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Gawd. Republicans started it long before that with radical nominees like Bork.

And a new verb was born.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Bork

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Schumer doesn't have an iron grip on the D senators. 3 of them voted for cloture on an extremist like Gorsuch, I don't see how you can argue that a more centrist candidate couldn't have gotten 60 votes.

The Republicans stole the seat and then rammed an extremist through by arguing - without evidence - that the Democrats would do what only they themselves had already done.

Next time Dems will do the same. It's inevitable, like Obama using powers given to him by Bush and Trump from Obama.

What I personally think on the matter is that Pandora has opened the box and we'll have to deal whether we like it or not. If you have any good way to stuff this all back in I'd seriously be glad to hear it.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Gawd. Republicans started it long before that with radical nominees like Bork.

Yet Ginsberg was confirmed 96-3. Conservatives are slow learners.

 

[thraashman]

People like DSF and taj do an excellent job proving that there is no upper bound to stupidity when hypocrisy is involved. Do people y'all know in real life just like punch you in the face daily? I don't see how anyone could resist doing it if they knew you guys.