Looks like the 360 Elite at $299.99 is confirmed

[jhh979s]

Its very simple to swap your 20 or 60GB HDD for a $55 120GB HDD. Just do a google search. I bought a 120GB HDD for $56 and swapped it in my 20Gb's place and it works great.

 

[tatteredpotato]

Originally posted by: jhh979s
Its very simple to swap your 20 or 60GB HDD for a $55 120GB HDD. Just do a google search. I bought a 120GB HDD for $56 and swapped it in my 20Gb's place and it works great.

Could be simpler though.... as in not requiring a very specific model of HDD.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
But since you're anti-Sony, and claim "everything Sony makes is crap", I guess I can see why you would defend MS about this. Even funnier, because you've said, "I hate price gougers" on these very forums. Funny how you change your tune.

Good God, stalk much?

Why did you only pick and choose what you want to out of a quote from NEARLY TWO YEARS AGO. Here's the whole thing for everyone, since you're apparently retarded enough to spend your time searching old posts of mine and hand picking what you wanna use from them. Seems to me like I'm pretty much in support of people charging whatever they feel like for an item as long as someone is willing to pay it.

Originally posted by: Injury
I hate price gougers, but people are buying them from him. It's not like he's hoarding them and keeping them in a closet so your poor, wii-starved children have their Christmas ruined. It was well-known a few months ago when the wii was readily available that it would be selling out again this season. Should have moved faster rather than trying to guilt-trip people using your three children as an excuse months later.

Welcome to America.

http://dictionary.reference.co...ictionary&q=capitalism

I'm not defending MS, I'm defending the basis of our freaking economy. I don't care if Sony wants to charge $1,000,000 for the PS3 or if Microsoft wants to charge "your first born son" for the next Halo title, I'll defend their decision to do so. I may think it's a bad choice, but I'll defend it.

Originally posted by: Injury
After 3 PS2s with unrepairable DRE's, 2 Cameras (one with unknown mechanical failures and one that frequently corrupted memory), 2 Memory Sticks that had traces just randomly break and my parent's VIAO that needed more or less every part except the HDD replaced in less than a year, I'm willing to stand behind the statement that everything Sony makes is crap.

No thanks, Sony. I don't want your cheap shit.

It's not because I hate the PS3, it's because every product I've ever bought bearing the Sony logo has crapped out on me in an unreasonable amount of time. Multiple PS2s, Cameras, Computers, Audio Equipment... it's really pure coincidence that a company I've had bad experiences with happens to make the PS3.


But let's move on (if you can get over things that were said in 2007, that is.)


First off, I want to know what sort of market research you've done into the subject because when you say "Selling their HD's at a comparable price, would increase sales, thats a fact." you DO need actual data (not just your opinion) to back up a claim that something is a fact.

It seems to me like the idea here is that they are going to sell more hard drives than they had before because they are creating a need for them.

The people who bought the Arcade unit are usually casual gamers with only a handful of games. Probably the type of people that play 0-10 hours a week. While I'm not going to be the kind of idiot that claims something as fact without having any actual data, I'd put money on 90% of arcade units being bought either for a young child who probably won't be downloading any sort of content and will probably never connect to XBL or a young to middle-aged adult who wants to play a sports game from time to time. I mean, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that if someone bought the arcade unit they probably weren't looking to do much, if any, content downloading. So I really have no pity on the people that don't have a HD because most of them probably don't care.

The people with the Elites have 120GB. I have an Elite, I bought it because I didn't want to have to worry about upgrading the hard drive. I have half a dozen games installed to my HD, I have tons of DLC, and I'm barely using half of my HD space. I'm not concerned about running out of space. Based on my usage, and similar results from other users that I've read here, I'm going to guess that's not too far from the norm. Which leads me to believe that only a small percentage of people really need (and by need I mean "want") a hard drive bigger than 120GB. Sure, there are people that have a ridiculously large library of games and insist on installing them all and they keep loads of music on their 360 etc. etc... but these people probably make up waaaaayyyy less than 1% of 360 owners. Why would MS be targeting the smallest market?

The beef of my argument is here: MS has now launched multiple services to help you fill up those hard drives fast. You can download games, you can copy your games to your hard drive, you can download all sorts of add-on content for your games. The catch is that most of the games you can download you can buy used at gamestop for the same price, if not a couple bucks cheaper. So why would they offer them for download? Because MS is going to increase the sales of their 120GB hard drives (which are probably high-profit items) because people now have more of a reason to buy them than ever. Knowing the balls MS has, I wouldn't put this past them. If that's the case, that's a pretty damn good reason to not lower the price of HDs. And pretty smart, too. It's taking a page directly out of Apple's book (as in, selling music on iTunes to increase iPod sales.)

You can call me a fanboy all you want. I'm not. I'd have a PS3 if I had a reason to have one. Also, I really don't CARE if MS overprices their HDs because I already have a 120GB. I have no reason to argue other than to support a smart business decision. But it if you know anything about MS, you know this is a strong possibility. Also, if you know anything about the American economy, you know MS will lower their prices when they are damn well ready and that you won't starve or anything if it's no time soon.

 

[tatteredpotato]

As much as the bitching that's going on about the price of the On Demand game download service... It's most likely, like everything else that sucks about the internet, the fault of the copyright holders. These things work by launching a service with insane rules nobody's every going to put up with, and slowly content providers realize nobody's going to pay the exorbitant prices, especially considering the limitations.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: Ackmed
But since you're anti-Sony, and claim "everything Sony makes is crap", I guess I can see why you would defend MS about this. Even funnier, because you've said, "I hate price gougers" on these very forums. Funny how you change your tune.

Good God, stalk much?

Why did you only pick and choose what you want to out of a quote from NEARLY TWO YEARS AGO. Here's the whole thing for everyone, since you're apparently retarded enough to spend your time searching old posts of mine and hand picking what you wanna use from them. Seems to me like I'm pretty much in support of people charging whatever they feel like for an item as long as someone is willing to pay it.

Originally posted by: Injury
I hate price gougers, but people are buying them from him. It's not like he's hoarding them and keeping them in a closet so your poor, wii-starved children have their Christmas ruined. It was well-known a few months ago when the wii was readily available that it would be selling out again this season. Should have moved faster rather than trying to guilt-trip people using your three children as an excuse months later.

Welcome to America.

http://dictionary.reference.co...ictionary&q=capitalism

I'm not defending MS, I'm defending the basis of our freaking economy. I don't care if Sony wants to charge $1,000,000 for the PS3 or if Microsoft wants to charge "your first born son" for the next Halo title, I'll defend their decision to do so. I may think it's a bad choice, but I'll defend it.

Originally posted by: Injury
After 3 PS2s with unrepairable DRE's, 2 Cameras (one with unknown mechanical failures and one that frequently corrupted memory), 2 Memory Sticks that had traces just randomly break and my parent's VIAO that needed more or less every part except the HDD replaced in less than a year, I'm willing to stand behind the statement that everything Sony makes is crap.

No thanks, Sony. I don't want your cheap shit.

It's not because I hate the PS3, it's because every product I've ever bought bearing the Sony logo has crapped out on me in an unreasonable amount of time. Multiple PS2s, Cameras, Computers, Audio Equipment... it's really pure coincidence that a company I've had bad experiences with happens to make the PS3.


But let's move on (if you can get over things that were said in 2007, that is.)


First off, I want to know what sort of market research you've done into the subject because when you say "Selling their HD's at a comparable price, would increase sales, thats a fact." you DO need actual data (not just your opinion) to back up a claim that something is a fact.

It seems to me like the idea here is that they are going to sell more hard drives than they had before because they are creating a need for them.

The people who bought the Arcade unit are usually casual gamers with only a handful of games. Probably the type of people that play 0-10 hours a week. While I'm not going to be the kind of idiot that claims something as fact without having any actual data, I'd put money on 90% of arcade units being bought either for a young child who probably won't be downloading any sort of content and will probably never connect to XBL or a young to middle-aged adult who wants to play a sports game from time to time. I mean, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that if someone bought the arcade unit they probably weren't looking to do much, if any, content downloading. So I really have no pity on the people that don't have a HD because most of them probably don't care.

The people with the Elites have 120GB. I have an Elite, I bought it because I didn't want to have to worry about upgrading the hard drive. I have half a dozen games installed to my HD, I have tons of DLC, and I'm barely using half of my HD space. I'm not concerned about running out of space. Based on my usage, and similar results from other users that I've read here, I'm going to guess that's not too far from the norm. Which leads me to believe that only a small percentage of people really need (and by need I mean "want") a hard drive bigger than 120GB. Sure, there are people that have a ridiculously large library of games and insist on installing them all and they keep loads of music on their 360 etc. etc... but these people probably make up waaaaayyyy less than 1% of 360 owners. Why would MS be targeting the smallest market?

The beef of my argument is here: MS has now launched multiple services to help you fill up those hard drives fast. You can download games, you can copy your games to your hard drive, you can download all sorts of add-on content for your games. The catch is that most of the games you can download you can buy used at gamestop for the same price, if not a couple bucks cheaper. So why would they offer them for download? Because MS is going to increase the sales of their 120GB hard drives (which are probably high-profit items) because people now have more of a reason to buy them than ever. Knowing the balls MS has, I wouldn't put this past them. If that's the case, that's a pretty damn good reason to not lower the price of HDs. And pretty smart, too. It's taking a page directly out of Apple's book (as in, selling music on iTunes to increase iPod sales.)

You can call me a fanboy all you want. I'm not. I'd have a PS3 if I had a reason to have one. Also, I really don't CARE if MS overprices their HDs because I already have a 120GB. I have no reason to argue other than to support a smart business decision. But it if you know anything about MS, you know this is a strong possibility. Also, if you know anything about the American economy, you know MS will lower their prices when they are damn well ready and that you won't starve or anything if it's no time soon.

you're hating on sony because of reliability, wow.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: lupi
you're hating on sony because of reliability, wow.

Damn right I am. What's your point?


Sorry if I don't wanna buy a console and have it become a brick years down the road when they aren't made anymore. I have a pretty big library of 360 games. I'm scared that once the 360 isn't sold anymore I'll have a bunch of games and nothing to play them on considering the failure rate of the 360. While I've had better experiences with MS products thus far, it doesn't mean I'm oblivious to their product's reputation. My 360 is currently on its way back from repair. I'm not trying to hide anything here.

 

[Muadib]

Originally posted by: RESmonkey
Are the elites Jasper? My friend is looking to buy one. If so, is there like a manufactor date or some detail he can use to figure out if the box is Jasper?

Thanks

Just in case this was missed...😛

 

[erwos]

Originally posted by: Muadib

Originally posted by: RESmonkey
Are the elites Jasper? My friend is looking to buy one. If so, is there like a manufactor date or some detail he can use to figure out if the box is Jasper?

Thanks

Just in case this was missed...😛

IIRC, aren't Jaspers all 12.1v? You should be able to check through the window on the box or whatever...

 

[tatteredpotato]

Originally posted by: erwos

Originally posted by: Muadib

Originally posted by: RESmonkey
Are the elites Jasper? My friend is looking to buy one. If so, is there like a manufactor date or some detail he can use to figure out if the box is Jasper?

Thanks

Just in case this was missed...😛

IIRC, aren't Jaspers all 12.1v? You should be able to check through the window on the box or whatever...

12.1A yes, however some ship with the 175W PSU, but as long as you read the power rating off the Xbox itself and not the output of the PSU that should be an accurate way of figuring it out.

Swapping my Zephyr Elite for a Jasper might be worth it on energy savings alone....

Link

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Muadib

Originally posted by: RESmonkey
Are the elites Jasper? My friend is looking to buy one. If so, is there like a manufactor date or some detail he can use to figure out if the box is Jasper?

Thanks

Just in case this was missed...😛

I think there have been some Elite Jaspers spotted in the stores but they aren't as widespread as the Arcade Jaspers.

Check the 360 Jasper Hunting Thread.