Looks like Sugar Substitutes Make You Fat After All.

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When it comes to dieting, most of us are willing to resort to a trick or two to help us curb our appetite and eat less ? drinking water to fill up when we're hungry, for example, or opting for artificial sweeteners instead of sugar to get the same satisfying sweetness without the offending calories. But new research suggests that the body is not so easily fooled, and that sugar substitutes are no key to weight loss ? perhaps helping to explain why, despite a plethora of low-calorie food and drink, Americans are heavier than ever.

In a series of experiments, scientists at Purdue University compared weight gain and eating habits in rats whose diets were supplemented with sweetened food containing either zero-calorie saccharin or sugar. The report, published in Behavioral Neuroscience, presents some counterintuitive findings: Animals fed with artificially sweetened yogurt over a two-week period consumed more calories and gained more weight ? mostly in the form of fat ? than animals eating yogurt flavored with glucose, a natural, high-calorie sweetener. It's a continuation of work the Purdue group began in 2004, when they reported that animals consuming saccharin-sweetened liquids and snacks tended to eat more than animals fed high-calorie, sweetened foods. The new study, say the scientists, offers stronger evidence that how we eat may depend on automatic, conditioned responses to food that are beyond our control.

What they mean is that like Pavlov's dog, trained to salivate at the sound of a bell, animals are similarly trained to anticipate lots of calories when they taste something sweet ? in nature, sweet foods are usually loaded with calories. When an animal eats a saccharin-flavored food with no calories, however ? disrupting the sweetness and calorie link ? the animal tends to eat more and gain more weight, the new study shows. The study was even able to document at the physiological level that animals given artificial sweeteners responded differently to their food than those eating high-calorie sweetened foods. The sugar-fed rats, for example, showed the expected uptick in core body temperature at mealtime, corresponding to their anticipation of a bolus of calories that they would need to start burning off ? a sort of metabolic revving of the energy engines. The saccharin-fed animals, on the other hand, showed no such rise in temperature. "The animals that had the artificial sweetener appear to have a different anticipatory response," says Susan Swithers, a professor of psychological sciences at Purdue University and a co-author of the study. "They don't anticipate as many calories arriving." The net result is a more sluggish metabolism that stores, rather than burns, incoming excess calories.

Swithers stops short of saying that the animals in her study were compelled to overeat to compensate for phantom calories. But she says that the study does suggest artificial sweeteners somehow disrupt the body's ability to regulate incoming calories. "It's still a bit of a mystery why they are overeating, but we definitely have evidence that the animals getting artificially sweetened yogurt end up eating more calories than the ones getting calorically sweetened yogurt."

Though it's premature to generalize based on animal results that the same phenomena would hold true in people, Swithers says, she notes that other human studies have already shown a similar effect. http://www.time.com/time/healt...711763,00.html?cnn=yes
 

Ika

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How much difference could that uptick in metabolism in humans make? To compare the rat's metabolic rate and size to a humans isn't exactly the best thing to do...
 

Jack Ryan

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Originally posted by: techs
Eating more calories than you burn makes you fat.

Water is wet as well.

This study is claiming that you will burn less calories because the body does not expect it (due to the sugar substitute).
 

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Originally posted by: Aflac
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How much difference could that uptick in metabolism in humans make? To compare the rat's metabolic rate and size to a humans isn't exactly the best thing to do...

Keep thinking that while you get fatter.
 

Wheezer

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so basically this study proved what has been pretty much common sense in weight loss.....it's about self control and portion control.

Nothing in the study says that artificial sweeteners affect to metabolism to create weight gain.

What is says is that rats that were fed artificial sweeteners ate more food if it was presented to them.

In this study what percentage of the rats were put on an exercise wheel or given some sort of regimen of physical activity?

Unlike rats humans have an mechanism called self control....now, whether one uses that or not is the issue.....not what kind of sweeter they put in their coffee.
 

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Real sugar is healthier than the garbage they use like fructose, glucose and the like but then again it didn't take into account other sugar substitutes like Splenda which is still much better than aspartame.
 

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Originally posted by: Wheezer
so basically this study proved what has been pretty much common sense in weight loss.....it's about self control and portion control.

Nothing in the study says that artificial sweeteners affect to metabolism to create weight gain.

What is says is that rats that were fed artificial sweeteners ate more food if it was presented to them.

In this study what percentage of the rats were put on an exercise wheel or given some sort of regimen of physical activity?

Unlike rats humans have an mechanism called self control....now, whether one uses that or not is the issue.....not what kind of sweeter they put in their coffee.

That's what I was thinking. Every new weight-loss study seems to let people off the hook a little more.

I don't understand the experiment. Did they feed them anything beside the yogurt? Or did they both just eat yogurt, and the only difference was the caloric content? A Diet Coke during dinner is quite a bit removed from eating 3 meals a day of artificially sweetened paste.

 

iamwiz82

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I read it that this only occurs if that is all you eat. Most consume artifical sweeteners with drinks, yet still have regular sugar in the meals. Would the sugar in the meals not re-start the metobolic increase?
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: Aflac
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How much difference could that uptick in metabolism in humans make? To compare the rat's metabolic rate and size to a humans isn't exactly the best thing to do...

you'd be surprised. the difference could be compared to those who eat breakfast in the morning and those who do not. Eating breakfast is known to be a metabolic jumpstarter. And look to the different body figures as a result of those who have fast metabolisms compared to those with slower metabolisms.
 

Capt Caveman

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The study is full of flaws and false assumptions.

Nobody eats a complete diet of artificial sweeteners.
 

Ika

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Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: Aflac
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How much difference could that uptick in metabolism in humans make? To compare the rat's metabolic rate and size to a humans isn't exactly the best thing to do...

you'd be surprised. the difference could be compared to those who eat breakfast in the morning and those who do not. Eating breakfast is known to be a metabolic jumpstarter. And look to the different body figures as a result of those who have fast metabolisms compared to those with slower metabolisms.

I was referring to the change in metabolism the body induces upon "seeing" sugar as opposed to not seeing it. I don't think it could be as big as the swings induced by breakfast or natural metabolism differences... could it? Oh well. I don't proclaim to be a health expert.
 
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Originally posted by: Wheezer
so basically this study proved what has been pretty much common sense in weight loss.....it's about self control and portion control.

Nothing in the study says that artificial sweeteners affect to metabolism to create weight gain.

What is says is that rats that were fed artificial sweeteners ate more food if it was presented to them.

In this study what percentage of the rats were put on an exercise wheel or given some sort of regimen of physical activity?

Unlike rats humans have an mechanism called self control....now, whether one uses that or not is the issue.....not what kind of sweeter they put in their coffee.

I agree...I can't say I'm at all convinced that "sugar substitutes make you fat" if you actually control what you eat otherwise. I happen to have lost 80 pounds while using sugar substitutes (mainly Splenda) myself...
 

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Originally posted by: gnumantsc
Real sugar is healthier than the garbage they use like fructose, glucose and the like but then again it didn't take into account other sugar substitutes like Splenda which is still much better than aspartame.

Don't know where you got this from. Fructose and glucose are real sugars. They are quite present, in fact, in the things we eat from nature. Not to mention the fact that sucrose is simply a bound glucose and fructose.
 

dullard

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This study is redundant, but necessary since people simply won't listen to the other studies that show the same thing.
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
I read it that this only occurs if that is all you eat. Most consume artifical sweeteners with drinks, yet still have regular sugar in the meals. Would the sugar in the meals not re-start the metobolic increase?
No! If you have any artificial sweetener, you usually either (a) stay overweight or (b) gain weight. There are plenty of studies that show this. Study: drink more diet soda, gain more weight. From the study:
People who drink diet soft drinks don't lose weight. In fact, they gain weight, a new study shows.
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"What was surprising was when we looked at people only drinking diet soft drinks, their risk of obesity was even higher."
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Fowler is quick to note that a study of this kind does not prove that diet soda causes obesity. More likely, she says, it shows that something linked to diet soda drinking is also linked to obesity.

What will it take for people to finally realize the truth? It isn't a calorie balance that matters. So trying to fool yourself with a few fake calorie "sweet" foods doesn't work. I see it time and time again: Oh, I'm having a diet Pepsi, so I can have 3 big macs and a large fry and everything will be good. You train yourself to crave more calories with the artificial sweeteners and then when your body doesn't get them, you eat much more of everything else. If instead you realized that to lose mass it is the mass balance that matters, you wouldn't eat more of those other foods when you have a "diet" item.
 

Feldenak

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I'll get worried when I start eating Splenda as a meal...for now, I'll continue using it in my coffee, tea, & Kool-Aid.
 

torpid

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This study should be taken with a grain of salt, so to speak. There was a study a while ago where they demonstrated that soda with sugar in it had the same problems being reported in the study above. The body does not recognize it as food and as such does not fee satiated. Apparently candy did not have the same problem - although that may (IMO) be due to the solidifying agents in candy.
 

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I hate real sugar substitutes. They all leave an aftertaste. HFCS is the only one that doesn't have a horrible aftertaste.
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: dullard
This study is redundant, but necessary since people simply won't listen to the other studies that show the same thing.
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
I read it that this only occurs if that is all you eat. Most consume artifical sweeteners with drinks, yet still have regular sugar in the meals. Would the sugar in the meals not re-start the metobolic increase?
No! If you have any artificial sweetener, you usually either (a) stay overweight or (b) gain weight. There are plenty of studies that show this. Study: drink more diet soda, gain more weight. From the study:
People who drink diet soft drinks don't lose weight. In fact, they gain weight, a new study shows.
...
"What was surprising was when we looked at people only drinking diet soft drinks, their risk of obesity was even higher."
...
Fowler is quick to note that a study of this kind does not prove that diet soda causes obesity. More likely, she says, it shows that something linked to diet soda drinking is also linked to obesity.

What will it take for people to finally realize the truth? It isn't a calorie balance that matters. So trying to fool yourself with a few fake calorie "sweet" foods doesn't work. I see it time and time again: Oh, I'm having a diet Pepsi, so I can have 3 big macs and a large fry and everything will be good. You train yourself to crave more calories with the artificial sweeteners and then when your body doesn't get them, you eat much more of everything else. If instead you realized that to lose mass it is the mass balance that matters, you wouldn't eat more of those other foods when you have a "diet" item.

It doesn't apply in all cases. I eat healthy but drink diet soda. I'm not overweight.
 

ahurtt

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This thread title was very misleading. Excess CALORIES make you fat. Artificial sweeteners don't have calories. Eating extra to make up for the calories you missed by eating artificial sweetener makes you fat. . .This can be overcome by discipline. Humans are not rats. We can decide whether or not to eat more even if that artificially sweetened food was not as satisfying. We KNOW how many calories we have consumed versus how many we should consume if we feel so inclined to read the label. Conclusion: artificial sweeteners do not make you fat. YOU make you fat.

Also, they should have had a control group of rats that were not fed ANY sweet stuff at all.
 

UNCjigga

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It would be interesting to see a study where they compared natural plant-based sugars, HFCS, aspartame, saccharin and sucralose (Splenda).
 

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Originally posted by: ahurtt
This thread title was very misleading. Excess CALORIES make you fat. Artificial sweeteners don't have calories. Eating extra to make up for the calories you missed by eating artificial sweetener makes you fat. . .This can be overcome by discipline. Humans are not rats. We can decide whether or not to eat more even if that artificially sweetened food was not as satisfying. We KNOW how many calories we have consumed versus how many we should consume if we feel so inclined to read the label. Conclusion: artificial sweeteners do not make you fat. YOU make you fat.

Also, they should have had a control group of rats that were not fed ANY sweet stuff at all.

You would be suprised at how much subconscious cravings factor into your desire for food. There are also other physiological factors involved in creating those cravings such as hormones. Saying YOU have control is true, yet at the same time what YOU want to do at a particular moment is all based on brain/body chemistry.

Undeniable Fact: Caloric balance translate to weight gain/lost.