Looks like President Obama is leading Romney in Swing states

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President Obama has overtaken Republican candidate Mitt Romney for the first time of the 2012 campaign in a dozen key states that swing back and forth between the parties in presidential elections, according to a poll released Monday by USA Today and Gallup.

Mr. Obama garnered 51 percent support, compared to 42 percent for Romney in the hypothetical match-up in battleground states, a sharp shift from just a month ago when the former Massachusetts governor was leading the president, 48 percent to 46 percent.

Maybe this has something to do with the GOP's war on women or the latest assault on the Medicare/SS with the rejuvenation of the Ryan Budget ? Not bad Since President Obama hasn't had to spend a dime yet.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_...ey-in-key-swing-states-usa-today-gallup-poll/
 
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Romney isn't helping matters either, with his persistent tone-deafness. I'm sure much of the GOP will join his cause in the general election, but in the meantime they have been giving him some of the most transparently half-hearted endorsements I've ever seen.


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Romney isn't helping matters either, with his persistent tone-deafness. I'm sure much of the GOP will join his cause in the general election, but in the meantime they have been giving him some of the most transparently half-hearted endorsements I've ever seen.


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I LOVE how he is embracing Mr. Kill Medicare in my state too... BEAUTIFUL optics indeed! :D What I am really hoping is that GWB endorses him :D
 
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Maybe this has something to do with the GOP's war on women

I've heard TV commentators say it does, but I haven't seen any polling myself.

I'm not sure how much weight to give it (or anything) at this point. I would think it normal any Repub candidate's poll #'s go down compared to Obama while they are engaged in trashing each other. If I understand correctly, this also has the effect of turning away female votes (negative campaigning, that is).

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If the Republicans wanted to win, then they'd nominate Dr. Paul. However, the Republicans have a history of nominating a moderate candidate who is also anti-populist.
 

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If the Republicans wanted to win, then they'd nominate Dr. Paul. However, the Republicans have a history of nominating a moderate candidate who is also anti-populist.

Paul gets thrashed in the polls, less than 5% of the American public support his awful ideas. He'd get beat down in a televised debate and, in reality, wouldn't be ready for primetime politics on that level. He's an artifact from a dead era.
 

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If the Republicans wanted to win, then they'd nominate Dr. Paul. However, the Republicans have a history of nominating a moderate candidate who is also anti-populist.

Conservatives would never nominate Paul. Hes too libertarian on social issues for them. Although he is very capitalistic.
 

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President Obama has overtaken Republican candidate Mitt Romney for the first time of the 2012 campaign in a dozen key states that swing back and forth between the parties in presidential elections, according to a poll released Monday by USA Today and Gallup.

Mr. Obama garnered 51 percent support, compared to 42 percent for Romney in the hypothetical match-up in battleground states, a sharp shift from just a month ago when the former Massachusetts governor was leading the president, 48 percent to 46 percent.

Maybe this has something to do with the GOP's war on women or the latest assault on the Medicare/SS with the rejuvenation of the Ryan Budget ? Not bad Since President Obama hasn't had to spend a dime yet.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_...ey-in-key-swing-states-usa-today-gallup-poll/

I'm really, really, really, hoping that he picks Ryan as his running mate, but he'd pretty much be giving away the game if he did...

I've heard TV commentators say it does, but I haven't seen any polling myself.

I'm not sure how much weight to give it (or anything) at this point. I would think it normal any Repub candidate's poll #'s go down compared to Obama while they are engaged in trashing each other. If I understand correctly, this also has the effect of turning away female votes (negative campaigning, that is).

Fern

I don't think that the War on Women will be going away, no matter how much you wish it would. Women in general are on a stealth burn wrt Repubs failure to denounce El Rushbo & the eagerness with which the right wing punditocracy supported & made excuses for him... Not to mention the attacks on contraception coverage wrapped in the mumbo jumbo of religious freedom... They'll get even later, at the polls...

Repubs stepped right in it, and they'll be tracking it all over the carpet even in November... denying there's dogshit on your manly boots just makes it worse.
 

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this same week in 2008, McCain was polling ahead of Obama... and hell, Kerry was polling ahead of Bush straight through to the fall before the 2004 elections.

which isn't to say that Obama's the underdog, but polls are still meaningless this far out.
 

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Until the primaries are over, polls for the general are meaningless. Time will tell. More interesting is that Santorum is slipping in the polls in PA...his home state. If he does not win PA he should concede the race.
 
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Until the primaries are over, polls for the general are meaningless. Time will tell. More interesting is that Santorum is slipping in the polls in PA...his home state. If he does not win PA he should concede the race.

Aren't you from PA? I am curious how Santorum is perceived there, since he got his ass handed to him in his last re-election bid. I know he was widely regarded as one of the most corrupt Senators, but I don't know to what event that played a role in his loss.
 

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Aren't you from PA? I am curious how Santorum is perceived there, since he got his ass handed to him in his last re-election bid. I know he was widely regarded as one of the most corrupt Senators, but I don't know to what event that played a role in his loss.

no one in the general philly area likes him. I think most of his constituents are in the pennsyltucky parts of the state.
 

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Aren't you from PA? I am curious how Santorum is perceived there, since he got his ass handed to him in his last re-election bid. I know he was widely regarded as one of the most corrupt Senators, but I don't know to what event that played a role in his loss.

Rick Santorum can't be elected dog catcher in his home state.
 

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Aren't you from PA? I am curious how Santorum is perceived there, since he got his ass handed to him in his last re-election bid. I know he was widely regarded as one of the most corrupt Senators, but I don't know to what event that played a role in his loss.

no one in the general philly area likes him. I think most of his constituents are in the pennsyltucky parts of the state.

Philly hates him because he does not have a D next to his name. They would vote for Stalin (D) over Ghandi (R). The Philly political machine would paint Ghandi as an evil baby killer who hates the poor an elderly while putting a faint halo over Stalin's head in the newspapers...while talking about his love of puppies.

The rest of the state is divided. He enjoys the hometown love that all candidates get in their home state...everyone wants to be able to say their state produced the president.

I had never heard about corruption until his run for President, so it did not get much airtime outside of democrat strongholds. Most people see him as a very religious man who will do what he says he will do (or at least try really hard). They see him as a "you will get what you see" type of person.

Therein lies the problem...that scares some people. While my personal view is that it is VERY refreshing to not have to worry about which things are lies and which are not, I believe he is too much of an extremist.

Of course, in many rural parts of PA, the extremist is the preferred candidate. Our current President once said that PA "clings to their guns and God", though he got the reason wrong (he thought it was because the government did not do enough stuff for us - haha to that).

Most people I know like him...and many will vote for him. I wish we could merge his passion and fire and "you get what you see" with Romney - that would make a great candidate.

I will not be voting for him, though. I do not think he has what is needed to unite the people. Obama does not have it either. I think Romney might, since he is actually a centrist in real life. I think the US needs some unity right now.
 

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Those polls will change once the party is fully behind Romney. Don't let the Liberal bias tell you otherwise, America is ready for a Christian president.
 

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Those polls will change once the party is fully behind Romney. Don't let the Liberal bias tell you otherwise, America is ready for a Christian president.

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no one in the general philly area likes him. I think most of his constituents are in the pennsyltucky parts of the state.

My mother is from philly and she really does not approve of Romney or Santorum either.

Those polls will change once the party is fully behind Romney. Don't let the Liberal bias tell you otherwise, America is ready for a Christian president.

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Aren't you from PA? I am curious how Santorum is perceived there, since he got his ass handed to him in his last re-election bid. I know he was widely regarded as one of the most corrupt Senators, but I don't know to what event that played a role in his loss.

I grew up in PA and my family still lives there. It's quite likely that Santorum would cause the loss of his home state were he to be the presidential nominee or a VP pick as he is widely reviled. When he lost his seat in 2006 he lost by the widest margin for a Senate challenge in the history of Pennsylvania.

More than any corruption issues, it was simply that Santorum is an extreme conservative from a moderate state. Those two don't match.
 

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I've heard TV commentators say it does, but I haven't seen any polling myself.

I'm not sure how much weight to give it (or anything) at this point. I would think it normal any Repub candidate's poll #'s go down compared to Obama while they are engaged in trashing each other. If I understand correctly, this also has the effect of turning away female votes (negative campaigning, that is).

Fern

I would not give great weight to polls at the moment as there is still so much time before the election. Going forward though, especially starting in about a month or so after the Republicans have (presumably) ended their primary fight, I would pay more attention.

The gap with female voters is notable however, as it is one of the largest gender gaps ever noted, contested primary or no. The GOP has gotten a lot of bad press recently for taking extremely unpopular positions in regards to women's health. It's hardly surprising that this would translate into a loss of support for them among women.
 

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You look back at Gore and Kerry, they were unappealing personally. Gore was robo, Kerry was lurch. If they can almost win an election then Romney the suit still has a chance.

If he keeps stuttering and giving us that stupid grin then, no. Man also has a terrible character flaw at never admitting any mistakes or wrongdoings whatsoever. Obama should use that in the campaign. Lay out a trap and let Romney trip himself.

It'll be an interesting show between the worst of the GOP establishment VS Obama. I'll be rooting for neither.
 

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I would be interested in seeing a list of times Obama said he was wrong - other than when he blames someone else for his problems (I did not know republicans were so evil, etc), that does not count.
 

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I would be interested in seeing a list of times Obama said he was wrong - other than when he blames someone else for his problems (I did not know republicans were so evil, etc), that does not count.

What does this have to do with the OP?