Looks like Obama is making all the right moves...

[JEDIYoda]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28173647
Associated Press
updated 10 minutes ago

CHICAGO - President-elect Barack Obama has chosen former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle to lead his effort to shape an overhaul of the nation's health care system and push it through Congress.

Announcing his choice Thursday, Obama stressed the link between restoring the nation's dismal economy and making health coverage more affordable and accessible to Americans.

"If we want to overcome our economic challenges, we must also finally address our health care challenge. I can think of no one better suited to lead this effort," Obama said of Daschle.

also -- http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...ca_st_pe/obama_daschle
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So far most of what Obama has done has thouroughly impressed me!
He is making real fine appointments all accross the board!!

 

[Fingolfin269]

I could be getting ahead of myself here but I'm concerned with this. We had a state run health care plan here in Tennessee that failed miserably. I believe it is back to some degree but nowhere near the level it was when the original 'vision' was put into play.

Does anyone know what type of health care plan Obama hopes to achieve?

 

[blackangst1]

I think "health care challenge" needs to be defined, and what specific plan of action is considered. Pretty vague so far.

 

[mooseracing]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269


Does anyone know what type of health care plan Obama hopes to achieve?

I just hope we don't try to make the transition to a natioanl health care system like canada.

 

[PokerGuy]

Some of his other appointments seem like good picks, but Daschle is a complete "big government healthcare" tool. He's such an idiot that he couldn't even get reelected in his own state despite being the leader of the senate. Blagojevitch would have been better, at least he's honest about his intentions

 

[GoPackGo]

How is this change on and not more of the same?

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
How is this change on and not more of the same?

When did we have UHC before? The stuff you conservatives are saying is absurd. You know damn well that it was Republicans who blocked UHC in the past, and now when we try to do it again with people who were part of the effort, you say "it's more of the same"... It's like you're trying to believe that until now, Congress has been one monolithic bloc, and Republicans and Democrats are factions that were created in the past year.

 

[PottedMeat]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Some of his other appointments seem like good picks, but Daschle is a complete "big government healthcare" tool. He's such an idiot that he couldn't even get reelected in his own state despite being the leader of the senate. Blagojevitch would have been better, at least he's honest about his intentions

Maybe this is more of a 'Thank you' position for Obama. Doesn't he owe a lot of his campaign staff to Daschle - basically Obama got a load of experienced people when Daschle lost?

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
How is this change on and not more of the same?

When did we have UHC before? The stuff you conservatives are saying is absurd. You know damn well that it was Republicans who blocked UHC in the past, and now when we try to do it again with people who were part of the effort, you say "it's more of the same"... It's like you're trying to believe that until now, Congress has been one monolithic bloc, and Republicans and Democrats are factions that were created in the past year.

You are right, but don't feed the troll.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
How is this change on and not more of the same?

When did we have UHC before? The stuff you conservatives are saying is absurd. You know damn well that it was Republicans who blocked UHC in the past, and now when we try to do it again with people who were part of the effort, you say "it's more of the same"... It's like you're trying to believe that until now, Congress has been one monolithic bloc, and Republicans and Democrats are factions that were created in the past year.

You think UHC will ever work here?

But I digress...so let the dream take flight!

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
How is this change on and not more of the same?

When did we have UHC before? The stuff you conservatives are saying is absurd. You know damn well that it was Republicans who blocked UHC in the past, and now when we try to do it again with people who were part of the effort, you say "it's more of the same"... It's like you're trying to believe that until now, Congress has been one monolithic bloc, and Republicans and Democrats are factions that were created in the past year.

Wait, who proposed UHC? Hillary supported full blown UHC, not Obama.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
You think UHC will ever work here?

But I digress...so let the dream take flight!

You think it wont? How about we go the other way. I eat fruit and veggies every day. I do yoga and run 3 miles 3x a week. I lift light weights. My body weight is right where it should be. Now half of you are over weight, never exercise and eat pizza once a week. Why should I have to pay into a health care system to support you fat asses? Why should my premium ever be anything over $50? Because you choose to eat mcdonalds the cost of your heart surgery is folded into my premium. This is a broken system. We need to fix it with uhc. I've been to the doctor 3 times in the last 10 years! Why am i paying for you!

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
How is this change on and not more of the same?

When did we have UHC before? The stuff you conservatives are saying is absurd. You know damn well that it was Republicans who blocked UHC in the past.

Your revisionist history is pathetic. Who controlled both chambers of Congress when Clinton's healthcare plan died? The Dems. And who refused to even bring it to a full vote in the House? Oh, that's right, the Dems. Sen. Daniel P. Moynihan (among many critics) said "anyone who thinks ((the Clinton plan)) can work in the real world as presently written isn't living in it.", but he wasn't a Dem, was he? Please explain to us all how the GOP managed to kill UHC in the 103rd Congress when the Dems had an 82 seat margin of majority in the House. This should be interesting.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
You think UHC will ever work here?

But I digress...so let the dream take flight!

You think it wont? How about we go the other way. I eat fruit and veggies every day. I do yoga and run 3 miles 3x a week. I lift light weights. My body weight is right where it should be. Now half of you are over weight, never exercise and eat pizza once a week. Why should I have to pay into a health care system to support you fat asses? Why should my premium ever be anything over $50? Because you choose to eat mcdonalds the cost of your heart surgery is folded into my premium. This is a broken system. We need to fix it with uhc. I've been to the doctor 3 times in the last 10 years! Why am i paying for you!

Your gripes are legitimate, but do you really think giving all the fat-assed pizza eaters free health-care is somehow going to be cheaper?

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
You think UHC will ever work here?

But I digress...so let the dream take flight!

You think it wont? How about we go the other way. I eat fruit and veggies every day. I do yoga and run 3 miles 3x a week. I lift light weights. My body weight is right where it should be. Now half of you are over weight, never exercise and eat pizza once a week. Why should I have to pay into a health care system to support you fat asses? Why should my premium ever be anything over $50? Because you choose to eat mcdonalds the cost of your heart surgery is folded into my premium. This is a broken system. We need to fix it with uhc. I've been to the doctor 3 times in the last 10 years! Why am i paying for you!

You can do all that and still fall dead of a heart attack or get cancer.

The problem I have with UHC is the abuses of people who gum up the system who aren't sick but insist on going to the doctor for a sniffle.

 

[alchemize]

I liked his chosing a physicist for the dept. of energy, I would have hoped he took this approach and took somebody from the healthcare industry (probably a physician)...instead of yet another do-nothing politician.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
You think UHC will ever work here?

But I digress...so let the dream take flight!

You think it wont? How about we go the other way. I eat fruit and veggies every day. I do yoga and run 3 miles 3x a week. I lift light weights. My body weight is right where it should be. Now half of you are over weight, never exercise and eat pizza once a week. Why should I have to pay into a health care system to support you fat asses? Why should my premium ever be anything over $50? Because you choose to eat mcdonalds the cost of your heart surgery is folded into my premium. This is a broken system. We need to fix it with uhc. I've been to the doctor 3 times in the last 10 years! Why am i paying for you!

Did you just argue against yourself?

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
You think UHC will ever work here?

But I digress...so let the dream take flight!

You think it wont? How about we go the other way. I eat fruit and veggies every day. I do yoga and run 3 miles 3x a week. I lift light weights. My body weight is right where it should be. Now half of you are over weight, never exercise and eat pizza once a week. Why should I have to pay into a health care system to support you fat asses? Why should my premium ever be anything over $50? Because you choose to eat mcdonalds the cost of your heart surgery is folded into my premium. This is a broken system. We need to fix it with uhc. I've been to the doctor 3 times in the last 10 years! Why am i paying for you!

You can do all that and still fall dead of a heart attack or get cancer.

The problem I have with UHC is the abuses of people who gum up the system who aren't sick but insist on going to the doctor for a sniffle.

That is why the details laid out in the plan for a type of UHC is so very important and we do not have those specifics yet. I believe there are several ways to make it work in this country. I also believe there are many ways where it can fail. It just depends on how we go about doing it. There is nothing we can do but be patient and hope for the best.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
How is this change on and not more of the same?

When did we have UHC before? The stuff you conservatives are saying is absurd. You know damn well that it was Republicans who blocked UHC in the past.

Your revisionist history is pathetic. Who controlled both chambers of Congress when Clinton's healthcare plan died? The Dems. And who refused to even bring it to a full vote in the House? Oh, that's right, the Dems. Sen. Daniel P. Moynihan (among many critics) said "anyone who thinks ((the Clinton plan)) can work in the real world as presently written isn't living in it.", but he wasn't a Dem, was he?

Please explain to us all how the GOP managed to kill UHC in the 103rd Congress when the Dems had an 82 seat margin of majority in the House.

This should be interesting.

Because you are lying as usual.

103rd United States Congress

Democrats were just short of full control:

Democratic Party 258 59.3%
Republican Party 176 40.6%
Independent 1 0.2%

Who is the revisionist here and pathetic?

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Mursilis
Your gripes are legitimate, but do you really think giving all the fat-assed pizza eaters free health-care is somehow going to be cheaper?

They already get free health care. It's called the emergency room. And because they give out 10 $10 crutches for every one thats payed for the price to you and me is now $100 for a crutch. How is that fair? The cost of the uninsured is already folded into everything you pay for. It will be cheaper and more beneficial to the health of the country to have uhc.

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
You think UHC will ever work here?

But I digress...so let the dream take flight!

You think it wont? How about we go the other way. I eat fruit and veggies every day. I do yoga and run 3 miles 3x a week. I lift light weights. My body weight is right where it should be. Now half of you are over weight, never exercise and eat pizza once a week. Why should I have to pay into a health care system to support you fat asses? Why should my premium ever be anything over $50? Because you choose to eat mcdonalds the cost of your heart surgery is folded into my premium. This is a broken system. We need to fix it with uhc. I've been to the doctor 3 times in the last 10 years! Why am i paying for you!

Did you just argue against yourself?

That's what I was thinking

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Did you just argue against yourself?

I'm not following you.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
How is this change on and not more of the same?

When did we have UHC before? The stuff you conservatives are saying is absurd. You know damn well that it was Republicans who blocked UHC in the past.

Your revisionist history is pathetic. Who controlled both chambers of Congress when Clinton's healthcare plan died? The Dems. And who refused to even bring it to a full vote in the House? Oh, that's right, the Dems. Sen. Daniel P. Moynihan (among many critics) said "anyone who thinks ((the Clinton plan)) can work in the real world as presently written isn't living in it.", but he wasn't a Dem, was he? Please explain to us all how the GOP managed to kill UHC in the 103rd Congress when the Dems had an 82 seat margin of majority in the House. This should be interesting.

Ouch

As for Daschele. Odd pick imo. Most of Obama's picks have been pretty good. Daschele doesnt impress me.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
You can do all that and still fall dead of a heart attack or get cancer.

The problem I have with UHC is the abuses of people who gum up the system who aren't sick but insist on going to the doctor for a sniffle.

Actually the entire health care system would cost less if we had preventative care instead of waiting for a problem to become so severe we are taken by ambulance to the hospital. Yes there would be more people going with a sniffle then before but the over all costs of catching things early would be less.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Did you just argue against yourself?

I'm not following you.

:laugh:

I don't think you can follow yourself.