Looks like Maduro's regime may (or may not) be collapsing in Venezuela

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...+(News+/+US+/+Top+News)&utm_source=reddit.com

CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido took an oath swearing himself in as the South American country’s interim president on Wednesday, as hundreds of thousands marched to demand the end of socialist President Nicolas Maduro’s government.

Guaido, the head of the opposition-run Congress, has said he would be willing to assume the presidency on an interim basis with the support of the armed forces to call elections. The United States is mulling recognizing him as the country’s legitimate president, sources said.


Pic of the crowds



https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/23/ven...ican-diplomats-72-hours-to-leave-country.html

  • Venezuela’s Nicolas Maduro says he is breaking diplomatic relations with the United States.
  • Earlier, the Trump administration said it recognizes opposition leader Juan Guaido as the country’s interim president.
  • Maduro says U.S. diplomatic personnel have 72 hours to leave the country.

Somebody just needs to off the guy already.
 
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Clock is ticking for sure. Let's hope he sees what's in the mail and flees to Cuba, rather than dig in and start sending troops in to open fire.

Trump, like with everything pretty much, should STFU. His input here will only play to Maduros propaganda.
 
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Maduro can order the US to leave but, since they dont recognize him any longer, they won’t unless there’s a threat of violence. Trump really needs to shut up and let experienced people deal with this.
 
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Clock is ticking for sure. Let's hope he sees what's in the mail and flees to Cuba, rather than dig in and start sending troops in to open fire.

Trump, like with everything pretty much, should STFU. His input here will only play to Maduros propaganda.
Very much this.
 

yllus

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Thank Vishnu! I hope Maduro and Chavez go down in history as the absolute monsters that they are/were for destroying a vibrant, thriving, relatively free country.

What do we know about Mr. Guaido? Swapping one dictator-in-all-but-name for another isn't exactly the revolution Venezuela needs. I hope he stays true to the "interim" part of his title.

Finally, I don't know if I can support a military excursion into Venezuela by outside forces. Maduro still commands a significant amount of the population as supporters, as well as likely most of the military. It would be messy.
 

1prophet

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Looks like fun times ahead


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-warns-u-s-against-military-intervention-venezuela-n962091

Russia warns U.S. against military intervention in Venezuela
MOSCOW — Russia warned the U.S. on Thursday not to intervene militarily in Venezuela, saying such a move would trigger a catastrophe.
Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido declared himself interim president on Wednesday, winning the backing of Washington and prompting socialist incumbent Nicolas Maduro to sever diplomatic relations with the United States. Violence flared during big protests across Venezuela, and at least seven deaths were reported.

In an interview with Russian journal International Affairs published on Thursday, Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said Moscow would stand with Venezuela to protect its sovereignty and the principle of non-interference in its domestic affairs.
 
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Looks like fun times ahead


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-warns-u-s-against-military-intervention-venezuela-n962091

Russia warns U.S. against military intervention in Venezuela
MOSCOW — Russia warned the U.S. on Thursday not to intervene militarily in Venezuela, saying such a move would trigger a catastrophe.
Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido declared himself interim president on Wednesday, winning the backing of Washington and prompting socialist incumbent Nicolas Maduro to sever diplomatic relations with the United States. Violence flared during big protests across Venezuela, and at least seven deaths were reported.

In an interview with Russian journal International Affairs published on Thursday, Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said Moscow would stand with Venezuela to protect its sovereignty and the principle of non-interference in its domestic affairs.
President Monroe says fuck right off Mr. Putin.

President Trump says let me get on my knees Mr. Putin.
 
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Looks like fun times ahead


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-warns-u-s-against-military-intervention-venezuela-n962091

Russia warns U.S. against military intervention in Venezuela
MOSCOW — Russia warned the U.S. on Thursday not to intervene militarily in Venezuela, saying such a move would trigger a catastrophe.
Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido declared himself interim president on Wednesday, winning the backing of Washington and prompting socialist incumbent Nicolas Maduro to sever diplomatic relations with the United States. Violence flared during big protests across Venezuela, and at least seven deaths were reported.

In an interview with Russian journal International Affairs published on Thursday, Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said Moscow would stand with Venezuela to protect its sovereignty and the principle of non-interference in its domestic affairs.

Russia can go frick itself. They need a good ol taste of the Monroe Doctrine.
 
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This is kind of weird. While I think it is likely right to support this self-declared president of a popular opposition group, doesn't it stand against US precedent to do so if the individual has not been elected to the position? We don't even support popular coups without many days of waffling. (unless we backed the coup, lol).
 
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While I understand what Trump did and agree with it in principle, I think it was ill-timed at the least. South and Central Americans have a very deep seated antipathy towards US interventionism, based on many decades of USA propping up unpopular dictators. I suspect a large segment of the population will react negatively to this US action. The State Dept and Trump should have worked behind the scenes and in conjunction with regional allies-but then again Trump has absolutely no concept of diplomacy.

Keeping my fingers crossed he didn't screw this up.
 

fskimospy

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I'm not a Maduro supporter but when is that last time a US backed coup has been good for the population?
I’m unaware of any evidence that the US has given the opposition any support other than recognition? We may have, but I’m unaware of it.

Also if anything wouldn’t Maduro’s actions be the coup?
 
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I’m unaware of any evidence that the US has given the opposition any support other than recognition? We may have, but I’m unaware of it.
Recognition isn't backing? Let's see what surfaces in FOIA requests in 10 years.

Also if anything wouldn’t Maduro’s actions be the coup?
Getting elected is a coup?
 
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Recognition isn't backing? Let's see what surfaces in FOIA requests in 10 years.
I wouldn't say so. backing generally implies monetary, personnel, military support. something like that. Support tends to be the same as backing. Recognizing is, basically, sending a letter or a gold star or something. It could mean promises of further support for the future based on circumstances...


Getting elected is a coup?
yeah, I agree. Moduro was elected, however compromised the election was. Coups don't really involve elections. That's kinda why they are coups.
 

fskimospy

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Recognition isn't backing? Let's see what surfaces in FOIA requests in 10 years.
Not in any meaningful way, no. I’m not aware of any case where it would be considered that a country was ‘backing’ a coup simply by recognizing it as legitimate. Backing involves financial or other support.

To put it mildly the reason why various coils in central and South America were bad was not because the US extended them diplomatic recognition.

Getting elected is a coup?
He got elected, sure, in the same way that Putin is regularly ‘elected’. I mean for fuck’s sake Maduro bribed starving people with food from government stores if they voted for him.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Venezuelan_presidential_election
 

fskimospy

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Also, the opposition has a legitimate constitutional claim, which is the opposite of a coup. If Maduro’s election was illegitimate, and there’s a good case for that, then the leader of the National Assembly becomes president.
 
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