Looks like Jack Russell's Great White was at fault for the deaths in RI.

ChrisIsBored

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It looks like the band Great White was indeed at fault for the death of 96+ people in RI early this morning... so says The Smoking Gun.

The band Great White's performance rider contains no mention whatsoever of pyrotechnics being used during the rock group's current tour of clubs and small theaters, The Smoking Gun has learned. TSG today (2/21) obtained copies of the band's rider from two separate promoters who booked shows by the group during the past month. A copy of the Great White performance specs can be found below. A third promoter, Domenic Santana, told TSG that the band set off a pyrotechnic display without his permission during a show in Asbury Park, New Jersey last Friday (2/14), putting the "lives of a lot of people in danger." Santana, owner of the Stone Pony, said that he "had no idea" that pyrotechnics were part of the rock band's show and pointed to Great White's standard performance rider, which makes no reference to pyrotechnic displays. Last night, at least 95 concertgoers were killed and 170 people were hurt at a West Warwick, Rhode Island show when the club erupted in flames following a pyrotechnic display during the group's opening song. Owners of The Station, the Rhode Island club where scores perished, this afternoon released a statement claiming that they, too, were never told about Great White's pyrotechnic plans. (9 pages)

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Great Whites stage plot - Notice no sort of fireworks included



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Mrburns2007

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I watched Dateline and they said that they didn't ask for permission at a club like a week before and the manager of that club ripped them a new one cause of it.

Why the hell would you use pyro technics in a little club anyways ?
 

optoman

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I don't know if the band is at fault or band's management. Does the band deal directly with the clubs or does the management deal with the clubs and the band just basically shows up and plays? It will be interesting who is at fault.

The thing that scares me the most is how fast the place went up. It was a fire hazard to begin with. If a couple of sparks started the fire that fast, a cigarette might do the same thing. Kind of scary.
 

datalink7

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For some reason, I thought this was in reference to a Great White Shark killing 96 people "earlier this morning" And I was going to be like "WTF!?!" :Q

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ChrisIsBored

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Originally posted by: datalink7
For some reason, I thought this was in reference to a Great White Shark killing 96 people "earlier this morning" And I was going to be like "WTF!?!" :Q

:eek:

:Q
 

PG

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I thought I read somewhere that the band says the manager asked and got permission. Either the band or the manager is lying but I don't know who. We'll find out in time.

 

Atrail

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Fault? Is that the right word?

It was an accident, obviously the band is partialy liable. Remains to be seen if the club shares any of that liability...
 

fatbaby

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i don't think the band's members should be at fault unless they specifically asked the stagecrew to use the pyrotechnics
 

Kilgor

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I?m still surprised that many people went to see Great White, they sucked back in the day.
 

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Wow, two guys from their home computer, while simultaneously surfing free porn sites, "solved" the cause of this fire and who was legally at fault even before a host of seasoned investigators who have been to the scene and performed the necessary investigative work. Fascinating.
 

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Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
I'm betting that someone from the band is going to jail.

and if they didn't have a BIG liability insurance policy, they will be broke for the rest of their lives
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Atrail
Fault? Is that the right word?

It was an accident, obviously the band is partialy liable. Remains to be seen if the club shares any of that liability...
Hey, blame and guilt are the American way, didn't you know? Someone always has to be at fault.
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Quoted from Yahoo:
" Great White's lead singer, Jack Russell, said Ty Longley, one of the five-member group's guitarists, was missing."
Looks like the band lost a member too, so offhand I'd say this was terrible tragedy and accident for everyone involved. Sh!t happens... move along, folks, lawsuits and blame don't bring people back from the dead, they just make greedy lawyers richer.
 

Jmman

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This was an accident, but someone if not many people will be charged with criminally negligent homicide. On top of that the civil liabilty for the band members and the club owner/manager will be in the billions. If I were any of those guys, I would go jump off the nearest tall building or something.....:frown:
 

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Lead singer said many times while being interviewed, he believed his road manager had asked and recieved permission for the pyroshow. That will have to be ajudicacted. The band, meaning the players and singers, in my opinion, are not to blame. This is a tragedy that does not need reckless speculation for the entertainment of people on this BB. 96 are dead, and many more injured badly. Try concentrating your energy in praying for those and their families.

This accident could have happened to any of us. Thats what it was, an accident. No one maleciously or deliberately wished to burn down a building last night, trapping and killing scores upon scores of people who's only thought last night was how much fun they where going to have listening to a good band and having a good time.
 
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Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Lead singer said many times while being interviewed, he believed his road manager had asked and recieved permission for the pyroshow. That will have to be ajudicacted. The band, meaning the players and singers, in my opinion, are not to blame. This is a tragedy that does not need reckless speculation for the entertainment of people on this BB. 96 are dead, and many more injured badly. Try concentrating your energy in praying for those and their families.

This accident could have happened to any of us. Thats what it was, an accident. No one maleciously or deliberately wished to burn down a building last night, trapping and killing scores upon scores of people who's only thought last night was how much fun they where going to have listening to a good band and having a good time.

Well said. There are two sides to this story - instead of moaning about which one is right we could realize that 96 people died in that club :(
 

Dragnov

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Atrail
Fault? Is that the right word?

It was an accident, obviously the band is partialy liable. Remains to be seen if the club shares any of that liability...
Hey, blame and guilt are the American way, didn't you know? Someone always has to be at fault.
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Quoted from Yahoo:
" Great White's lead singer, Jack Russell, said Ty Longley, one of the five-member group's guitarists, was missing."
Looks like the band lost a member too, so offhand I'd say this was terrible tragedy and accident for everyone involved. Sh!t happens... move along, folks, lawsuits and blame don't bring people back from the dead, they just make greedy lawyers richer.

You mean letting irresponsible and lying people get away with causing many deaths? No thanks.
 

ChrisIsBored

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Yes... let us not put any blame towards anyone and instead let those idiots get off easy and instead lets only worry about those who died... yet not try to figure what went wrong and prevent it from happening again.

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ScottyB

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Originally posted by: ChrisIsBored
Yes... let us not put any blame towards anyone and instead let those idiots get off easy and instead lets only worry about those who died... yet not try to figure what went wrong and prevent it from happening again.

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I know, God forbid now one gets into trouble for an accident. Someone must be severly punished or else another accident may happen again
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ChrisIsBored

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Yeah well if everyone acted like you the lady from Houston would have been free by now because she "accidently" ran over her husband 3 times.
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I didn't say lock them up and throw away the key for life, but it seems obvious where the blame belongs.... towards the band/manager.
 

neutralizer

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Originally posted by: datalink7
For some reason, I thought this was in reference to a Great White Shark killing 96 people "earlier this morning" And I was going to be like "WTF!?!" :Q

:eek:

 

duke

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Originally posted by: Kilgor
I?m still surprised that many people went to see Great White, they sucked back in the day.

They have at least one good song, IMHO.
 

MichaelD

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I've followed Great White for many years and still listen to the old stuff. But, when did it become "Jack Russells' Great White?" Sounds liek the man has a big ego problem. :|
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
You mean letting irresponsible and lying people get away with causing many deaths? No thanks.
Hey, or we could be like you and Chris here and act like a mass lynch mob. Yep, that's America... the world's greatest stupidest (but quickest to throw the rope over the tree) lynch mob :disgust:
Originally posted by: MichaelD
I've followed Great White for many years and still listen to the old stuff. But, when did it become "Jack Russells' Great White?" Sounds liek the man has a big ego problem. :|
I'm no fan of Great White and never have been, but he's actually using that name because he reformed the band a couple of years ago with himself as the only original member. The other original members wanted it clear that they were no longer in the band, hence "Jack Russels' Great White."