Looking in buying a house this year--> Where do we start?

Zombie

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We are new to this and don't know where to start? Should we be talking to a bank or a credit union?

How do we know we are getting good interest rate on the mortgage?

If we go to bunch of different lenders to see what type of rates they offer will they all pull our credit reports? If so this will hurt the credit score. Is there a way around that?

On a 300K house 20% will be 60K how much money should be keep on hand for closing cost etc. Pulling 60k may not be a problem but then we may not have enough (or any) money in the bank.

What are the things that we should keep in mind before we start looking for a house and a loan?
 

Kelemvor

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Main place to start is to at least figure out how much of a mortgage you can get approved for. Most banks or loan places will pre-approve you for free. This will give you an idea of what ballpark to look at for home prices.

Second thing to do is get a REALTOR. There is NO REASON to Not use a Realtor when BUYING a house. You don't pay the fees or anything else (unles you buy FSBO but Realtors won't take you to those). They know the business, the area, etc. Just ask friends and such for a good recommendation of someone to contact. Some Realtors are assholes but many are great and actually enjoy the process and making people happy more than the just want cash.

After that, hit up the local websites and such to look around, have your Realtor email you listings, and have fun going to open houses.


One major myth is the 20% down. That is completely un true. Any good Mortgage person has many options for how to buy a house. We bought ours with little down at all and had no PMI or anything. Just gotta get someone good. Again, ask for recommendations.
 

ragazzo

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Easiest way is to find 3 different realty agents and see which one you like the most. They'll walk you through the process of buying your house.

Get pre-approved for a mortgage as suggested by Franky.

Once you find a house that you're interested in, decide on what's your max and stick with it. Do not let the agent talk into increasing your max. Remember this: You do not have to tell your agent your Max. Just give them a # and wait for counter offer; don't worry about the sellers being offended by a very low first offer.

If they accept your offer, hire a home inspector (www.ashi.org) and be certain to ask for a sample home report.

When talking to your lawyer, ask him/her to insert an addendum that you can back out if you're not comfortable with the home inspection report. For example, signs of termite activities (past or present), rotten walls/flooring, no permit for finishing the basement/attic/etc

Good luck.
 

meltdown75

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:thumbsup: for the starting point FrankieJunior mentioned...

The first thing we did was go get pre-approved. Then we drove around an area we liked and found a vacant lot with a 'for sale' sign on it, called the number on the sign, bingo bango yer well on your way to purchasing / building your home.

Ours was a new build... our realtor got 5% of the total sale price! Not bad for about 2-3 hours total work on his part. Then again this is Canada, the system there could be much different.
 

Budmantom

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Check your credit score(resolve any problems) and make sure you have a good income to debt ratio.

Call a bank and get pre-approved.

Closing costas are usually 1-2%, you don't need 20% down, they have 107% loans.



Tom
 

Zombie

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In order to get pre-approved don't I need to know who is lending the money?

This brings up the question of various lenders running various credit checks to pre-approve us. I don't want them to run credit checks without knowing if the interest rate that they are offering is the absolute lowest and that I am comfortable with getting the loan from them.

 

Zombie

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My credit score was 745 and low debt to income ratio. On the credit report one of the negatives is shown as "The length of time your accounts have been established is relatively short." I am guessing that negative can't really hurt me.

I still need to pull a credit report for my wife so I am hoping it's all good.
 

spacelord

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Make sure your agent is a "Buyers Agent", not a "Sellers Agent"... Buyers Agent will work in your best interests, not the Sellers. I think its just a matter of legal contracts..

also, when working with an agent, I always had a clause that if I bought a house that wasn't sold by a Realator or a new house, I did not have to pay commision to my Buyers Agent. She was always cool with that... if not, I would find another agent.


 

Queasy

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A 745 credit score is good. You shouldn't have to worry about getting a loan.

One thing to keep in mind though is that even though a bank approves you for X amount of dollars don't try and spend X amount of dollars on the house. You'll be happier in the long run.
 

Buck Armstrong

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1. Get pre-approved. It makes the seller that much more willing to accept a low-ball offer. I sold my first house 3 times, because the first 2 buyers couldn't get financing (one of them actually had their loan fall through the day before closing). The 3rd time I demanded pre-approval before even considering the offer, but once it was taken care of, I was very flexible on their terms.

2. In my state, realtors get 7%, paid by the seller. However, its not true that "the buyer doesn't pay any of it", because any seller with brains has already factored that 7% into the asking price, and you ARE paying for it. So if you find a house you like without a realtor, the seller's usually willing to drop quite a bit on the price right off the bat. If the seller already has a realtor of their own, they'll only pay 3.5%, so either way, they save a few thousand dollars, and thus their bottom line on the house goes down.

3. Choose a home inspector carefully. Since its their livelihood, none of them will ever inspect a house and not find at least a few things wrong, so you need somebody honest. Make sure they're aware of any concerns you have about the house up front, and that the seller leaves the property during the inspection. And remember, anything he finds can be used to effectively lower the price even further by giving you cash back at closing (ie, needs new roof, so buyer requests additional $4000 at closing). This is your last chance; you not only need to find out if you can live there, but also that YOU will be able to sell it in the future.
 

spacejamz

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you can also check out the mortgage section of www.bankrate.com...

lot of good articles and tips there...

msn.com home section also has advice as well...

good luck...
 

Budmantom

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Originally posted by: Zombie
In order to get pre-approved don't I need to know who is lending the money?

This brings up the question of various lenders running various credit checks to pre-approve us. I don't want them to run credit checks without knowing if the interest rate that they are offering is the absolute lowest and that I am comfortable with getting the loan from them.


Call a few places and find a good interest rate then have them pre approve you(don't get pre approved @ 20 places) you will have a good idea of how much you can borrow, show this letter to your agent.

You can always change the lender your working with if you find a lower rate or if you don't care for that lender.


Tom

 

Zombie

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Would it help if I were to pull my own credit report and shop around at banks and credit unions ? This way I won't have 30 different places pulling my credit report.
 

Budmantom

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Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

2. In my state, realtors get 7%, paid by the seller. However, its not true that "the buyer doesn't pay any of it", because any seller with brains has already factored that 7% into the asking price, and you ARE paying for it. So if you find a house you like without a realtor, the seller's usually willing to drop quite a bit on the price right off the bat. If the seller already has a realtor of their own, they'll only pay 3.5%, so either way, they save a few thousand dollars, and thus their bottom line on the house goes down.


Wrong, if a house is listed by a Realtor you have a choice of using that Realtor or another Realtor but the seller pays the same commission.


Tom
 

spacelord

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NEVER use the realator that is selling the house you are looking at (if you can avoid it) because if they know or see anything bad about the house they will not tell you.
 

Budmantom

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Originally posted by: Zombie
Would it help if I were to pull my own credit report and shop around at banks and credit unions ? This way I won't have 30 different places pulling my credit report.


They quote you their best rate(or very close) without pulling your credit rating, when you get pre approved they pull your credit history.


Tom
 

Budmantom

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Originally posted by: spacelord
NEVER use the realator that is selling the house you are looking at (if you can avoid it) because if they know or see anything bad about the house they will not tell you.



They can lose their license if they don't disclose problems.


Tom
 

spacelord

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Even if they are a sellers agent? well, I guess they and the seller have to disclose known problems, but they don't have to disclose thiings that may be half-assed which are still to code, etc... They won't say " well, the roof is 18 years old" you really should ask for a roofing allowance.
 

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1. Get pre-approval as suggested. Try to get a good loan agent, request that he charges 0 origination points, 0 discount points and only take at most 1-1.5 Yield spread points in the backend, if you can get away with just .5 points in the backend, you're in the best shape (although some people can get .25). (You don't have to know what that means, just make sure you don't have to pay the points).

2. You can get your own agent or use the seller's agent. In either case you're getting screwed. Think about it, the seller's paying commission for both agents so they'd both be on his side. They will both push you to buy the home because if you don't, neither one gets any money. As for using the seller's agent, you should know what you're doing. If you don't, find out as much as you can. He's going to try to get you to pay the most money so he can get a higher commission.

 

dullard

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#0. Keep your credit report stable. Don't go applying for car loans, credit cards, etc. Also if you need to borrow money from a relative for your downpayment you must have this money in your bank for 2 months before applying for a mortgage otherwise it'll count against you. Pay down credit card balances if possible. Just get everything in good condition.

#1. Go get pre approved at one location. This will not harm you. That'll at least give you, the realtors, and the sellers knowledge that you can/can't afford the house. You don't have to use that lender, so no you aren't stuck with anyone now. Other lenders may approve you for slightly less/slightly more but they will all be about the same. Most likely you'll be pre approved for something roughly 3x your yearly salary.

#2. Take 15% off that pre-approval amount and forget you were only pre-approved for more. (A) That way you can move up a bit if you find a really great house just outside your now lowered limit and you avoid the possibility of being talked into a house you cannot afford. (B) That way you'll have plenty of money each month for fun, improvments, furnature, etc after buying the house. No reason to buy a house and then feel cash strapped for so long that you are miserable.

#3. Search the internet. About half of the houses around here are online with 10+ pictures and often movies inside. This will let you know what you like/dislike. Do you want an open house or a house with privacy/quiet? Do you want a new reliable house or an old house with charm? Etc. Check out even the fine detail to really know what you want.

#4. Get a buyer's realtor and tell them #2 and #3. Buyer's realtors in the US don't cost the buyer money. The seller promissed to pay their realtor ~7% of the selling house price. The seller's realtor will come to an agreement with your buyer's realtor to share a protion of that ~7%. That money is already planned for by the seller and the seller is unaffected by how the realtors split it. The buyer's realtor can do all the nasty paperwork which includes terms to your benefit (such as the deal is cancelled if an inspector finds a major problem, etc).

#5. Have fun searching.

#6. While doing all this you can find the real bank/credit union/mortgage place that you want the mortgage from. You certainly don't have to find one right away. I would suggest that you do #6 all within a ~30 day period. That way it'll only count as one view of your credit report.

Yes you can get a house with $0 down or low money down. Typically that involves (A) an expensive monthly PMI charge that gets you absolutely nothing or (B) a high interest loan for that 20% down. Usually option (B) is better. Decide for yourself if you want that additional loan or if you want to save for a downpayment (or part of both).

Closing costs are usually a couple thousand dollars plus a small percent (~1-2%) of the house value. This can be paid for out of your pocket in addition to the downpayment, or they can be rolled into the whole mortage. Heck you can even get the buyers to pay it (of course they'll ask more for the house to overcome that, so effectively it is rolled into your mortgage).
 

Zombie

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I find it hard to believe that a person making 55-60k a year will only qualify for 200k mortgage loan.
 

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I can't stress enough to check your credit report FIRST! In many states, you can now get one for free. Be careful of getting them directly from the credit reporting agency, as they usually lack important information and are difficult to read, not to mention expensive. You can go to a mortgage company and pay them a small fee to pull a more detailed report, and will usually credit the cost if you get a loan through them. We got a two-person three-CRA combined report for $17, credited to our loan through a mortgage broker. You could find a lot of inaccurrate stuff on there, and some of it can take a long time to clear up. Do this BEFORE going to a bank.

Also, don't worry about banks checking your credit. Pre-qualification (only useful for shopping rates and getting an idea of how much you may get approved for) does not involve a credit check. Pre-approval does, but by then you should have picked out your bank/broker. Even if you get dinged several times, most modern scores count multiple hits for a single credit source within a short time (usually 2 - 4 weeks) as a single inquiry (it is considered a sign of wise credit use to shop around).

Also, prepare a DETAILED budget before going to a bank. You WILL wind up spending more than you do now; you better know just how much you can afford comfortably, and how much you can stretch for that really great house. Do not share this number with ANYBODY in the industry!

Buyer's agency means that the buyer maintains a fiduciary responsibility to you. He cannot share any information you divulge with the seller's, and is required to divulge anything he hears/knows/observes about the seller or the house to you. This does not eliminate the conflict of interest that commission-based sales generates; therefore you will want to interview several agents (hopefully, they will all be recommended to you by someone). If an agent gets most or all of their business through referrals, they are less likely to try to gouge you for an extra few thousand (maybe $100 in their pocket) since it could make you less likely to refer anyone else.

Choosing PMI or a high(er)-interest second mortgage for less than 20% down depends on a few things: Can you pay down the second mortgage early? If so, you might be able to eliminate much of the interest penalty. Are houses appreciating the area (or likely to) at an accelerated rate? PMI is supposed to be gone once you get down to 80% loan-to-value, and federal law requires it to be removed at 78%; of course, if you can demonstrate that the value has appreciated before the scheduled 80% payment date, you can have them remove it. This could be really useful in your circumstance, as you could perhaps put 15-17% down and use the rest for closing costs, then cease the PMI in a year or two when your loan-to-value hits 80% (a 6% loan in a 6% market with 15% down on a $300k house will hit 80% after 20 months).

If you can put that much down, you might also look into some of the loans that come with built-in home equity credit lines - they can be useful for consolidating debts, the limits grow with the equity in your home, and the interest is usually tax-deductible. If you go with built-in, that saves you the extra expense/hassle associated with acquiring one later on.
 

Doggiedog

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Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
2. In my state, realtors get 7%, paid by the seller. However, its not true that "the buyer doesn't pay any of it", because any seller with brains has already factored that 7% into the asking price, and you ARE paying for it. So if you find a house you like without a realtor, the seller's usually willing to drop quite a bit on the price right off the bat. If the seller already has a realtor of their own, they'll only pay 3.5%, so either way, they save a few thousand dollars, and thus their bottom line on the house goes down.

Holy crap!

Where do you live? In my area, houses basically sell themselves. If someone asked for 7% I'd tell them to stick it. Realtors in my area would kill to be the selling broker because they don't have to do anything. It's like free money. Being the selling broker also gives them some prestige in the office for bringing in business it seems.
 

Budmantom

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Originally posted by: Zombie
I find it hard to believe that a person making 55-60k a year will only qualify for 200k mortgage loan.

Did your loan officer tell you that...... if not........


Tom