Looking for mortgage information.

Cheetah8799

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Does anyone have some links to some general information web sites regarding how mortgages work and such? I am a first time home buyer, and need to do a lot of reading on the subject, but I don't want my information to come direct from the realtor. I want to walk in with knowledge of my own.

My googling has only produced companies with things to sell, no real down and dirty info on mortgages, tips, etc.

thanks.
 

geecee

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Try these. I don't know how much (or how little) you know but those articles spell out some of the fundamentals.

EDIT: Some of the numbers in some of those articles are a little bit out of date, but still the basics are there. For example, the current agency conforming limit for 2006 is $417,000 for a single family home located in the contiguous 48 states (50% higher in AK and HI).
 

Wonkavator

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Cheetah,

what kind of information are you looking for?

I just went through the whole procedure 2 years ago, read up a lot as well. Think I delete all of my bookmarks though =(

Did you have any questions in particular?


How they work is simple, you sign your life away and you get a home hehe.
If you are starting to look for a home, you need to take a few steps just to start. If you have a realtor already in mind, talk to them and they can usually recommend a mortgage person.

First step is to see what you can get pre-approved for. They have online calculators and Tools for all of this if you are not ready to start the process and give all your financial info.

But if its a reputable bank/morgage company it should not be an easy. The reason for the pre-approval is this to find out how much you can afford and can get a price range for the new home.


There are tons of different options for first time buyers.

This is a link to part of the fannie Mae info, they have good information.
http://www.homebuyingguide.org/


Here is a link to some tools offered by fannie mae
http://www.fanniemaefoundation.org/publications/educational_tools.shtml

good luck
 

Cheetah8799

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I'm mostly just looking for anything and everything to get me started... I'm very inexperienced (zero experience), and need to get up to speed on the topic so I don't get reamed on anything like interest rates and such...


Thanks for the links everyone. It should be a good start. :)


edit: I think part of my hangup right now is as you said Wonkavator, there are TONS of sites out there. Most seem to me to be selling something. I want legit information, not a sales pitch...
 

spacejamz

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First step is to see what you can get pre-approved for. They have online calculators and Tools for all of this if you are not ready to start the process and give all your financial info.

Pre-approval and pre-qualifed are two different things...

pre-approval is just a quick estimate on how much you can afford based on your income and debt (this figure is pretty much overinflated...you might get pre-approved for $350K when there is no way in he!! you could afford that...

when you get pre-qualified, you actually turn in paystubs, W-2's, run credit checks, etc and then they will give you a piece of paper from the mortgage company that says they will loan you XXX dollars. This piece of paper will give you a leg up since it will prove to the seller that you already have your financing lined up...

 

QED

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I used to moonlight as a mortgage broker so let me give you a few cliffs on Mortgages 101:

1) First and foremost, think long and hard about what your long-term and short-term plans are regarding your housing situation and your career. They will dictate what mortgage is best for you, or if you are betting off renting for the time being.

2) Check your own credit. You are about to make the largest investment in your lifetime-- and one of the largest commitments. You would do well to spend a few dollars now to save yourself literally thousands down the road. Knowing your score will allow you to know in advance what loan programs are available to you. Also, take this opportunity to correct any derogatory information on your report.

3) Don't let the lender tell you how house you can afford-- you have to do this for yourself. A lot of lenders nowadays have no qualms about letting their borrowers spend as much as 50% of their gross income on a mortgage payment-- which is significantly higher than the 30-35% range which has long been the standard. A good starting point for figuring out what kind of mortgage payment you can afford is to look at your current rent. If you are just barely making ends meet with the amount you pay in rent, you shouldn't be looking at a getting an even higher mortgage payment.

4) ARM vs. Fixed Rate: There are two major types of pricing for closed-end mortgages: adjustable rate and fixed rate. The adjustable rate is generally tied to some index (such as the prime rate, or the LIBOR rate), subject to rate caps, whereas the the fixed rate is just that-- fixed. Generally, the initial rates on ARMS are lower than those for fixed rates-- in essense, you are getting a discount in exchange for taking on some of the risk of rising interest rates.

5) All about ARMs: The most popular ARMs are "1/1", "3/1", and "5/1" ARMs-- the first number represents how long the initial rate lasts (in years) before being adjusted, the second number is how often aftewards the rate can adjust. "1/1" ARMs are popular for new home construction loans, or home-to-home loans, since they usually have a very low initial rate and are typically paid off or refinanced in the first year before the rate adjusts. "3/1" ARMs are popular for those who are buying a starter house or otherwise only plan on owning the house for a few years. "5/1" ARMs are popular among those who would ordinarily go for a 30-year fixed rate loan but want to enjoy a slightly discounted interest rate while they wait for lower fixed-rates in the future.

6) 15-year vs. 30-year: Some lenders off a discounted rate for a 15-year term instead of a 30-year term-- but a lot do not-- their rates are identical. In situations like the latter, you are better off going with the 30-year term-- which gives you the flexibility of making extra payments towards principal when you can afford it without having to cough up extra money each and every month.

7) Closing costs: The bottom line on closing costs is to always negotiate with the seller to pay or contribute towards the closing costs-- even in lieu of an equivalently lower selling price. Closing costs (which generally can be from $1000 up to $10,000) is cash right out of your pocket if you pay them yourself. If your seller pays $5000 towards closing costs your home is already worth $5000 more than it was before you've even moved in.

8) Down payment: Now that your seller is paying closing costs, that means all of your cash is available to be used towards a down payment. And a higher down payment in some cases can mean a lower rate. Having 20% to put down is ideal because you will qualify for just about every loan program out there-- plus, you will save by not having to get dreaded private mortgage insurance (PMI) which can cost anywhere from $50 to $500 a month extra. If you don't have 20%, though-- don't sweat-- you can still save yourself from PMI by getting an 80% first mortgage and a 20% second mortgage. The rate on the 20% second mortage will be higher than the first mortgage, but should still be tax deductible and your overall payment should be lower. The problem here is that with a lower down payment, your credit becomes that much more important since you now have to qualify for two loans-- not just one.

9) Points (aka pre-paid interest): Some lenders will offer a discounted fixed rate in exchange for you outright giving them money up front-- this money is called pre-paid interest, and is usually measured in points. One point is equivalent to 1% of your mortgage amount, so one point on a $100,000 mortgage amount works out to be $1,000. Paying points is a costly investment that only pays off in time. You can roughly estimate how long until your break even by dividing the amount of points you are paying by the amount your rate is being dicounted. For example, if you are paying 2.5 points for a discount of 0.75% you will break even in 2.5/0.75, or roughly 3.3 years. Paying points can also be benficial if you had an unusually high income this year since the points are technically interest expenses and are therefore tax-deductible. Generally speaking, though... most people are not in a financial position to pay points and are better off using what money they do have towards a down payment.

10) Bottom line: learn as much as you can about mortgages, what programs are available, and what your own requirements are. Once you know your own requirements, you will be better suited towards working with a broker who can find a program that fits your needs perfectly. Don't let the broker talk you into something you cannot afford or terms you are not comfortable with-- which is why knowing your requirements and goals beforehand is absolutely essential.


Hope that helps a little...
 

iRONic

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Stay away from pushy/shady mortgage brokers. Their fees may be higher than your local bank/lender.
 

DBL

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Originally posted by: iRONic
Stay away from mortgage brokers. Their fees are higher than your local bank/lender.

Not necessarily true at all.

 

iRONic

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Originally posted by: DBL
Originally posted by: iRONic
Stay away from mortgage brokers. Their fees are higher than your local bank/lender.

Not necessarily true at all.

In my experience it is true.

I re-financed my house five years ago through a broker and payed $350.00 for the application and close to 5k at closing.

I'm closing a new mortgage June sixth[addition to the same house] for $2,800.00 through my local bank. The application was $20.00.
 

DBL

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Originally posted by: iRONic
In my experience it is true.

I re-financed my house five years ago through a broker and payed $350.00 for the application and close to 5k at closing.

I'm closing a new mortgage June sixth[addition to the same house] for $2,800.00 through my local bank. The application was $20.00.

Your mortgage broker should be making most of their profit through the bank, not on your closing costs. You are not providing enough information to make any determination anyway.

In my experience, a good mortgage broker is better than a bank. Sure, a bank might be able to offer to wave some fees which a mortgage broker may not. However, a mortgage broker gets better rates than a bank will offer to you and can pass them on to you. They also usually have a much greater range of products that they can recommend.

I refinanced in October a 30 yr fixed for 5 5/8 and about 7K in closing costs (NY mortgage tax). The best I could get from any bank was 6% and $6K in closing costs since they offered to wave the subordination fee for a HELOC.

In addition, this particular broker agreed to let me refi with a different bank if the rates dropped, even after I was locked in. Try having a bank agree to that.

I'm not saying that you should always use a broker. I?m just disagreeing with your statement that you should never use a mortgage broker. You should explore all your options.



 

QED

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I've worked on both sides of the bank vs brokers argument.

If you can find a broker you can trust, go with a broker.

If you find a broker who pressures you or rushes you, RUN (don't walk) away as fast as you can.

If you find a broker who doesn't take the time to explain and answer every question, RUN (don't walk) away as fast as you can.

If you find a broker who continues to present loans to you that don't match your goals, or presents only one viable option to the exclusion of all others, RUN (don't walk) away as fast as you can.

As far as application fees, there used to be a lot of brokers that never charged an application fee-- however, that gets abused a lot by clients who have no intentions of getting a mortgage but are just "kicking the tires". A good mortgage broker will charge only a modest application fee up front ($150-$300 or less), if any at all, and some will even offer to apply it towards closing costs once a deal is finalized. The broker should make their money from broker's commision (paid through closing costs and the lender) on a closed deal, not from upfront fees.

The money a good broker can save you is worth the small investment up front.

You can avoid having a broker by trying to research loan programs yourself with every bank-- but that can be time consuming, and ultimately more expensive since a lot of lenders offer discounted rates when obtained through a broker instead of directly (sounds counterintuitve, I know). Also, most banks will charge an application fee equivalent to what a mortgage broker would charge-- but since banks don't usually make their credit standards available to the general public there is no guaruntee you will even qualify for the program you are applying for. There is nothing worse than trying to save paying an application fee to only have to pay it to two or three different lenders because you didn't qualify for their programs.
 

DBL

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Originally posted by: MathMan
I've worked on both sides of the bank vs brokers argument.

If you can find a broker you can trust, go with a broker.

If you find a broker who pressures you or rushes you, RUN (don't walk) away as fast as you can.

If you find a broker who doesn't take the time to explain and answer every question, RUN (don't walk) away as fast as you can.

If you find a broker who continues to present loans to you that don't match your goals, or presents only one viable option to the exclusion of all others, RUN (don't walk) away as fast as you can.

As far as application fees, there used to be a lot of brokers that never charged an application fee-- however, that gets abused a lot by clients who have no intentions of getting a mortgage but are just "kicking the tires". A good mortgage broker will charge only a modest application fee up front ($150-$300 or less), if any at all, and some will even offer to apply it towards closing costs once a deal is finalized. The broker should make their money from broker's commision (paid through closing costs and the lender) on a closed deal, not from upfront fees.

The money a good broker can save you is worth the small investment up front.

You can avoid having a broker by trying to research loan programs yourself with every bank-- but that can be time consuming, and ultimately more expensive since a lot of lenders offer discounted rates when obtained through a broker instead of directly (sounds counterintuitve, I know). Also, most banks will charge an application fee equivalent to what a mortgage broker would charge-- but since banks don't usually make their credit standards available to the general public there is no guaruntee you will even qualify for the program you are applying for. There is nothing worse than trying to save paying an application fee to only have to pay it to two or three different lenders because you didn't qualify for their programs.

Great advice. That jives with pretty much my experience and I have dealt with more than a few brokers. There is nothing worse than a bad mortgage broker. However, a good one can make the process so much easier and even save you some considerable $$ in the long run.

 

QED

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Originally posted by: iRONic
Stay away from pushy/shady mortgage brokers. Their fees may be higher than your local bank/lender.


Very, very true.

If I had my choice between a pushy or shady mortgage broker or a bank I'd go with the bank every single day and twice on Sundays.

Also, some of the best deals around can be had directly from small local banks and/or credit unions. Best of all, most of the smaller ones will talk to you personally before-hand about your goals and requirements and can customize a loan that suits your needs.

So if you are a longstanding member of a small bank or credit union (or even if you are not), it certainly wouldn't hurt to stop in for a friendly little talk before you explore the broker option.
 

iRONic

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Originally posted by: MathMan
Originally posted by: iRONic
Stay away from pushy/shady mortgage brokers. Their fees may be higher than your local bank/lender.


Very, very true.

If I had my choice between a pushy or shady mortgage broker or a bank I'd go with the bank every single day and twice on Sundays.

Also, some of the best deals around can be had directly from small local banks and/or credit unions. Best of all, most of the smaller ones will talk to you personally before-hand about your goals and requirements and can customize a loan that suits your needs.

So if you are a longstanding member of a small bank or credit union (or even if you are not), it certainly wouldn't hurt to stop in for a friendly little talk before you explore the broker option.


Exactly. The construction loan/mortgage we just did is through our local bank. Our checking/savings accounts have been with them for ten years.

The loan officer came out to the house, told us our options, and filled out the app right then and locked our rate. The appraiser was out a week later. The whole process took three weeks and we will close June sixth.
 

z42

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Originally posted by: iRONic
Another great post, MathMan. I've edited my original post.

:thumbsup:

Great advice MathMan.

I'm a mortgage agent (work for a broker, not a lender) and I'd be happy to give you more specific advice if you want. There are different regulations depending on where you are buying, but it's all pretty similar.

The most important thing to do is get a Good Faith Estimate up front, and make sure the agent gives you an original signed copy. This gives them very little wiggle room later. Make sure they explain any "miscellaneous fees" which are normal and don't usually indicate anything is wrong, but they shouldn't be for a large $$$ amount.

On a personal note, I would always want my fixed rate loan locked in and a copy of the lock document. Agents/brokers who advise you to float the lock until a favorable rate comes up are usually shady. It is also well within your rights to ask any broker how much the lender is paying them for your loan. If they won't disclose it you should run.
 

Fingolfin269

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I have a questiong and the answer will probably help the OP so...

I'm closing on a townhome June 2nd and want to do as much as I can tax wise to reduce the hit on my monthly pay as possible. I'm currently paying $700 in rent and the house payment will be in the $1000-1100 range. I know that you can deduct mortgage interest from your income taxes and I was wondering if anyone knows of a good online calculator that could help me determine where I should set my W-4 so that I can still remain as close to a $0 tax return as possible.

Thanks.
 

z42

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Also wanted to add that the Yahoo and MSN:money sites have good, unbiased advice if you're looking to read up. Suze Orman's articles on mortgages and real estate buying are great too. You should be able to find those pretty easily.
 

z42

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Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I have a questiong and the answer will probably help the OP so...

I'm closing on a townhome June 2nd and want to do as much as I can tax wise to reduce the hit on my monthly pay as possible. I'm currently paying $700 in rent and the house payment will be in the $1000-1100 range. I know that you can deduct mortgage interest from your income taxes and I was wondering if anyone knows of a good online calculator that could help me determine where I should set my W-4 so that I can still remain as close to a $0 tax return as possible.

Thanks.

I'm not aware of a specific calculator for that, but you can use any mortgage calculator to get a rough estimate. Just put in 0% for the first calc and you can get your principle, then subtract that from your actual payment to get the interest/mo. multiply x12, and you can deduct the entirety from your gross income. The amount you save will depend on tax brackets. You also can deduct your property taxes.
 

Fingolfin269

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Originally posted by: z42
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I have a questiong and the answer will probably help the OP so...

I'm closing on a townhome June 2nd and want to do as much as I can tax wise to reduce the hit on my monthly pay as possible. I'm currently paying $700 in rent and the house payment will be in the $1000-1100 range. I know that you can deduct mortgage interest from your income taxes and I was wondering if anyone knows of a good online calculator that could help me determine where I should set my W-4 so that I can still remain as close to a $0 tax return as possible.

Thanks.

I'm not aware of a specific calculator for that, but you can use any mortgage calculator to get a rough estimate. Just put in 0% for the first calc and you can get your principle, then subtract that from your actual payment to get the interest/mo. multiply x12, and you can deduct the entirety from your gross income. The amount you save will depend on tax brackets. You also can deduct your property taxes.

Nice, I didn't know you could deduct the property taxes. Thanks a lot.