Looking for ideas to upgrade my in the process of being jerry-rigged pizza delivery bag

QueBert

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There are a lot of brainiacs on here, and also a lot of people who excel at rigging (ingenuity I say) This is going to be a really odd post, but maybe I can get some ideas if anyone is bored enough read this and reply.

Last month I started to make and deliver pizzas on Sundays. I ordered a heated delivery bag/backpack(Vollrath VTBW500) I suspected the heating part wouldn't be awesome but it turns out to be even more lacking than I imagined. The bag itself is awesome and I see the potential but can't quite figure out how to improve it. I haven't had a chance to test how good the insulation is, but I know the heating pad needs to go. My initial idea here was at best, a sorta iffy one. But I think it could work with some ideas. I am making money here, it's not a job for me, but if I apply myself I should be able to make some decent side cash.


Until I got this bag I had no delivery bag, so I'd make 1 pizza, deliver it then come back home and repeat until I was done. I did it like this because I wanted the pizzas to get to the people as hot and fresh as possible. This is stupidly inefficient and takes forever. So my bright idea was to get this delivery bag and use it to deliver 5 pizzas at once and also use it as a makeshift oven to keep the pizzas hot so I could make 5 in a row (6 minutes each) and then deliver them. I tested out the heating pad, it got to 190f, but it's so small and thin that the inside of the bag didn't go past 110f, which isn't gonna work. Now maybe the insulation is so good when I put a molten pizza or 2 in the temps will start rise and stay there for a while. But even if it shoots up a decent amount, I still want to have heat from a powered source so it can be consistent.


My idea is to get a 120v heating element for a grill, Amazon has a bunch that look the same and are probably just rebranded. And replace the heating pad with it, and figure out some way to secure it to the bottom, or top of the bag. I tested the heating pad with an IR gun and it hit 190f. But it's tiny and thin so it can't distribute the heat - The bag's around 18"x18'x22" so it's pretty big. I'm not sure if the dial part of the elements are temp safe, as they normally go on the outside of the grill and not directly in it. But the element will fully be in the bag here, they're only like $40 and I'm thinking it probably will hold up fine at 170f. This wasn't what I had in mind, but I haven't been able to find anything else that even looked like it could work here.

I'll be using my electric scooter to deliver, and part of my rigged idea is to get a small battery generator and mount it on the rear of the scooter so I can keep the heating element plugged in and hot. I'll only be using the heating element (if that's what I use) at 170f. There's probably a way to calculate how many watts that'll use, but I went to So. Cal public schools- I'll just buy a watt meter and plug the element into it to see how many watts of a generator I'll need. The generator is the least of my worries, as the bag might stay hot enough from residual heat from the pizzas + insulation.

And I'll need some sort of small heat-resistant straps or something so I can secure the element down.


Now I completely understand this is not great at best idea, and far from howq I wantg to do these pizza nights. But I'm ATOT poor, so I'm renting a room and the landlord would send me packing if I had dozens of random people coming over every week to pick up pizzas lol. Once I get everything worked out I plan to do this 3 nights a week. So I'm trying to figure out a way I can make a dozen pizzas a night and deliver then while keeping them nice and hot.

God bless if anyone reads all this crapola, I'm open to suggestions here if anyone can make my idea less terrible.

Thanks and stuff.
 
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lxskllr

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I'd iterate over progressively more elaborate/expensive ideas. A good start would be preheating the bag, and line it with mylar and foam. See if that lasts for the journey.
 

nakedfrog

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Maybe you could heat up a pizza stone or something and wrap it in a silicone pad, and slip that in the bag too.
 

Captante

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Homevative Electric Heated & Insulated Pizza & Food Delivery Bag. Home Outlet & Car Power Plugs
(Amazon @ $64)

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Might need to rig up a 12v power connection of some kind. :)
 

sdifox

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Have you seen the size of the heated, insulated bag he already has? On a scooter, you want him to put THAT bag into another, bigger bag? Adding additional insulation to the existing bag would probably be a better bet, I think.

Build an outer box with high density foam board. Strap the bottom with the box to the scooter. Put the box /cover over it.



No need to add more heat if you can stop the existing heat escaping.
 

Captante

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Or better yet just snag several of these! :D


Not sure how well that thing would work out in the US though, what with crack/meth-heads and all.
 

QueBert

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AWESOME replies, I knew I could count on ATOT to give me ideas. The wireframe insert came today, I figured it would be a snug fit, but it's like extra extremely tight so I'm not gonna get much of anything around it at all. The documentation for this bag is laughable and the only videos I found suck. The floor has a velcroed Polyester bottom with some plastic underneath it, I have no idea what this is. And when I called Vollrath the recording said technical issues so they can't help me. Someone mentioned adding a 2nd heating pad, that might not be a bad idea. I know it still wouldn't reach 170f inside, but it would help. I'm still thinking a $40 grill heating element would work better, if I could make it fit. I mean it's got a heating pad that can reach 190f, but since the bag's so ginormous it barely pushes it above 100. Of course I have no idea how good the insulation actually is, if I can get the bag to 170f using it as a backpack might burn the shit out of me lol. Or maybe I could rig some sort of small platform on the rear of the scooter and bungie the bag to it.

This thing's comically big when worn as a backpack, and I look 7 feet tall when I'm riding the scooter because the deck's about a foot off the ground.

Gonna test it Sunday before I buy anything, will make a pizza and see how it maintains its temp with the dinky heating pad after 30 minutes. Then I will eat some of said pizza and repeat the experiment without the heating pad for 30 minutes to see if it makes a difference. Oh and I should make a pizza and eat a slice 2-3 minutes out the pizza oven so I can see how the bagged pizzas differ. And if I need to do more testing I'll just have to suck it up and make more pizzas.

Oh and by the way it's not a sit down scooter, it's a stand up one (Kaabo Wolf King GT Pro)

Here's a pic of 1 of the pizzas from a few weeks ago. 16" NY style thin crust, cheese and pepperoni, topped with oregano and Grana Padano cheese. Which is a hard Italian cheese similar to Parmigiano Reggiano. It was crispy on the bottom but still foldable. I got 10 pre-orders for this Sunday hopefully I don't fuck shit up.


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When I want to keep food warm, I'll wrap the whole package in my blanket. Sometimes I get busy or don't really feel hungry for a few hours so it's nice to be able to have something warm to eat at 2 or 3 A.M. since I don't (actually can't) cook. If the food is really hot, it stays pretty warm for up to 5 hours inside the blanket.

A really warm coat or jacket meant for surviving harsh winter cold may also work great.
 

Captante

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When I want to keep food warm, I'll wrap the whole package in my blanket. Sometimes I get busy or don't really feel hungry for a few hours so it's nice to be able to have something warm to eat at 2 or 3 A.M. since I don't (actually can't) cook. If the food is really hot, it stays pretty warm for up to 5 hours inside the blanket.

A really warm coat or jacket meant for surviving harsh winter cold may also work great.

Do you sometimes sleep with a pizza under your pillow? ;)
 
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Ya gotsta rethink yer thinkin'

Get one of these. Add more wheels and a seat on top, maybe some handle bars. Jet powered scooter with heat to cook the 'zzas on the way, not just reheat .....


Schaefer Master MH-220T-SDR 220,000 BTU SilentDrive® Kerosene/Diesel ...
 
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Fenixgoon

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Build an outer box with high density foam board. Strap the bottom with the box to the scooter. Put the box /cover over it.



No need to add more heat if you can stop the existing heat escaping.

Would this be better?

Insulation is key. A styrofoam box (or yeti cooler) would do a lot to help.
 

sdifox

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Wait, your suicide scooter? Err that extra weight and wind load just made it very lethal.


Whenever I hear scooter I think Vespa.
 

Red Squirrel

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Maybe some kind of backpack cooler/bag could work? Insulated and kept indoors when not in use and between deliveries, so when you put a hot pizza in the pizza bag and put the bag in the backpack, it basically has a lot of thermal mass that is at room temp. It will slow down heat loss from the pizza itself. Downside of that is it will see way more movement so might be tricky to ensure pizzas are not shifted all over inside their box by the time you get them to their destination.

I would consider maybe getting a sit down scooter and an insulated box in the back as that might make options a little better. But I imagine this is just a side gig so probably not worth spending thousands on this.