Looking for cheap Windows Phone 8.

Ravynmagi

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I've been wanting to try out Windows Phone 8 for a while. But don't really have any plans on giving up my Nexus 4 or Android anytime soon.

So I'm looking for a cheap Windows Phone 8 phone that I can use for a little bit. Would like to keep the price at $200 or less.

I was thinking about a Lumia 620, which I see around $220 new. Or an HTC 8X used on eBay for around $200.

Looks like both phones have similar specs. Which do ya'll think would be better? Or any other phones I should look at?
 

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the lumia 521 is in the process of coming out for tmo prepaid at $150. it's basically a 620. already sold out at HSN, but will be at wally world on the 11th and in general distribution on the 22nd. the 8x is a significantly better piece of kit as far as hardware specs go. there's some things on windows phone store that require 1GB of ram.
 

OBLAMA2009

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put yer munnie ta mo' betta use. try it out in the sto' youlll be bored in 10 minutes. would you really want to be dependent on internet explorer?
 

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Keep in mind the Nokia Windows 8 phones have some nice Nokia applications included whereas HTC does not seem to offer the same level of support that Nokia does at the software level.
 

bearxor

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Yeah, I'm thinking about picking up a 521 myself. Should work on AT&T's HSPA network (1900mhz) just fine. It's actually a pretty decent spec unit. The only thing I think is missing is a camera flash.
 
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The 8x is an awesome phone, definitely a different level than the 620, worth the extra $50. Also note that some of Nokia's apps (including their vaunted offline navigation app) are no longer exclusive.
 

bearxor

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I think the 8X is better than just about every WP8 device out there, except maybe the Lumia 920, but then its pretty close. And since the 920 is exclusive to AT&T, it makes the 8X a pretty easy choice on other carriers.

If you can snag the 8X for pretty close to the price of a 521, I'd probably go for it. For me, it's really a secondary play toy so I'll probably save the $50.
 

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The reason I would suggest the 8X is because it has 1GB of RAM compared to the 520 and 620s 512. The OS works fine but a hefty handful of apps require the 1GB to run for whatever reason. Mostly games if that's your thing.

The only issue with the 8X is space really. It's 16 GB with no SD. It doesn't have the Nokia Storage Check app that allows you to clear out temporary files and all apps require 3x the storage the app requires to install. Some apps (Big ones like Asphalt 7 or Modern Combat) can require up to 3 GB of space to install or even update. It's kind of a pain when you can't clear out temporary files to install an app like you can with the Nokias. But you also can't use those apps on a 512 device. A little bit of a catch 22. As an example on my 920 I have about 700 MB of files that 8X owners cannot remove.

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put yer munnie ta mo' betta use. try it out in the sto' youlll be bored in 10 minutes. would you really want to be dependent on internet explorer?

Of all the reasons you could possibly dislike Windows Phone, Internet Explorer is the least legitimate. Since IE9, IE has been competitive with Chrome and Firefox. IE10 didn't introduce an overwhelming amount of features, but it did improve rendering speeds significantly.

There are a few problems with the mobile implementation of IE, but the problems don't exist because the browser is IE. The most notable problem is the problem IE mobile occasionally has with drop down menus - it doesn't interpret a tap as hovering a cursor over the menu. If anything, this is a result of the fact that IE mobile uses a direct port of IE10's engine.

As far as the topic goes, the Nokia Lumia 520/521 is probably the best phone available at its price point. Finding a Samsung Ativ S or HTC 8X at $150 would be nice, but that's really the only way I would consider them. Those two phones are comparable to the Lumia 920 when it comes to specs, but HTC doesn't do a very good job with keeping the phone updated. Samsung doesn't even pretend to care.

Nokia pushed Windows Phone 7.8 to every Nokia WP7 device, including firmware updates. HTC and Samsung didn't bother pushing the OS update to their devices, much less release updated firmware. All WP7 handsets could handle Windows Phone 7.8 without issue - HTC and Samsung simply abandoned their devices after release. The HTC Titan II and Samsung Focus 2 didn't get any support after launch. The HTC Titan II was, hardware-wise, the best WP7 handset. LTE, 1.5 GHz CPU, and an excellent 16 MP camera - yet it received no firmware updates or OS updates. It was released concurrently with the Lumia 900.
 

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Instead of gambling on a more expensive HTC 8X on eBay (looks like many of the prices are around $250), I think I'll wait and pick up the Lumia 521. Hopefully the price stays at $150 when it arrives at Walmart on May 11th.

I think I'll even use this phone when I go out running. That'll work better than having to run with the 4.7 inch Nexus 4. I hope Endomondo has a Windows Phone app.
 

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Instead of gambling on a more expensive HTC 8X on eBay (looks like many of the prices are around $250), I think I'll wait and pick up the Lumia 521. Hopefully the price stays at $150 when it arrives at Walmart on May 11th.

I think I'll even use this phone when I go out running. That'll work better than having to run with the 4.7 inch Nexus 4. I hope Endomondo has a Windows Phone app.

http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/s...-tracker/6cd31275-c5dd-df11-a844-00237de2db9e
 

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Of all the reasons you could possibly dislike Windows Phone, Internet Explorer is the least legitimate. Since IE9, IE has been competitive with Chrome and Firefox. IE10 didn't introduce an overwhelming amount of features, but it did improve rendering speeds significantly.

There are a few problems with the mobile implementation of IE, but the problems don't exist because the browser is IE. The most notable problem is the problem IE mobile occasionally has with drop down menus - it doesn't interpret a tap as hovering a cursor over the menu. If anything, this is a result of the fact that IE mobile uses a direct port of IE10's engine.

As far as the topic goes, the Nokia Lumia 520/521 is probably the best phone available at its price point. Finding a Samsung Ativ S or HTC 8X at $150 would be nice, but that's really the only way I would consider them. Those two phones are comparable to the Lumia 920 when it comes to specs, but HTC doesn't do a very good job with keeping the phone updated. Samsung doesn't even pretend to care.

Nokia pushed Windows Phone 7.8 to every Nokia WP7 device, including firmware updates. HTC and Samsung didn't bother pushing the OS update to their devices, much less release updated firmware. All WP7 handsets could handle Windows Phone 7.8 without issue - HTC and Samsung simply abandoned their devices after release. The HTC Titan II and Samsung Focus 2 didn't get any support after launch. The HTC Titan II was, hardware-wise, the best WP7 handset. LTE, 1.5 GHz CPU, and an excellent 16 MP camera - yet it received no firmware updates or OS updates. It was released concurrently with the Lumia 900.

what would you do about that drop down menu issue? on android i just try a different browser.
 

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what would you do about that drop down menu issue? on android i just try a different browser.

There are other browsers for WP.
I've used SurfCube on Windows Phone. I think it uses the same engine as the metro IE, but it has a 3D interface and other options. That menu bug is annoying, they really should have fixed that with WP 7.5/Mango.
 
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Crono

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Instead of gambling on a more expensive HTC 8X on eBay (looks like many of the prices are around $250), I think I'll wait and pick up the Lumia 521. Hopefully the price stays at $150 when it arrives at Walmart on May 11th.

I think I'll even use this phone when I go out running. That'll work better than having to run with the 4.7 inch Nexus 4. I hope Endomondo has a Windows Phone app.

The lower end and mid-range Lumias are solid phones, if a bit unexciting spec wise (the Lumia 920 is the only really premium competitor to the flagships of Apple and Android). If you can get the 8X for cheap I would go for it, as it's the next best phone after the 920, but the Nokia Windows Phones definitely get better support as they are more invested in the platform right now than Samsung or HTC. I still haven't gotten the 7.8 update for my Trophy, though I'm not waiting for it as my current cell phone is the HTC One.

The WP7/8 Lumia and HTC phones I've owned so far (Lumia 710, Lumia 920, HTC Trophy) have been all durable and fairly consistent with OS performance, so I wouldn't worry to much about whatever choice you make.
 
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You just compared a browser from early 2011 to releases from 2012.

IE10 is generally competitive with Chrome 25, and actually wins out in a few benchmarks.

If anything, you've highlighted that Microsoft needs to rethink their release schedule.

The drop down menu issue isn't really a "bug." It happens because the page is working as was intended. It is certainly a problem that needs to be corrected, but it isn't quite right to call it a bug.

Anyway, I've heard UC Browser doesn't use the Trident engine. I'm not exactly sure how that works or if its true, but it does appear to render things differently than IE does.
 
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wally world's website now shows the 521 at $129. steal at that price. limited availability right now.
 
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pantsaregood

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Damn. That's a really good price. I wonder if it will $99 somewhere soon.

Doubtful. Lumia 520 suggested retail price is $180. T-Mobile put the 521 at $150, despite being internally identical. $130 is a steal when you consider what other smartphones are available at that price.

I think the only other phone Walmart carries at $130 is some Android 2.3 device with a 600 MHz CPU.

Microsoft and Nokia need to push devices at this price point.
 

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Initial impressions

Back plate is CHEAP. Like CHEAP, CHEAP. Like, what did the bird say when he went in to WalMart cheap (cheep cheep, for those that don't know the punchline). Now, obviously the phone is cheap, but I wasn't REALLY expecting how cheap that cover would feel. One drop from anywhere above 2 feet will probably crack it. But, they are only like $10 on ebay, and come in different colors, so I suppose there is that.

Feel in the hand is good. When I was first handling it, I thought it was pretty slim and small and comparable in size to an iPhone 5. Well... I pulled the case off my iPhone 5 to do some SIM swapping and that impression went away quickly. It's easily twice the thickness of an iP5, although it is just about as tall and wide. It's about the same thickness of my Droid RAZR HD at the thickest point of the top (the RAZR tapers). It's maybe 25% thicker than an iPhone 4/4S. Still, the rounded edges make ti feel good in the hand. The iPhone 3G/3GS design is still my favorite and this is very reminiscent.

The screen is kind of dim, and backlight bleed is visible at the sides and top. Viewing angles are decent. I can hold it at a pretty steep angle and still see everything quite well, both horizontally and vertically. Low-res screen, of course, but the WP interface masks that really well. It was most noticeable in IE when looking at full views of web pages.

One more thing about the screen, I don't think there's an oleophobic coating. The glass is a fingerprint magnet. It's not even trying.

Speaker is decent. Even at 1, it was loud enough to listen to music comfortably in my cubicle. Tried out some Nokia Music and everything sounded great.

I read a review of the 520 that said the two-stage camera button was hard to press down and so that would lead to some movement when you took a picture. I didn't find the button hard to press at all, but on a phone camera like this, any movement will affect your pictures, but the button was no harder or easier to press than the iPhone volume shutter button.

I had some difficulties getting my TMobile SIM in. I have a nano SIM so I can swap it with my iPhone 5 and I use a nano to micro adapter. Inserting it caused the device to detect tmobile service, but not data. I was able to call out fine. It took some work to get the SIM card adapter in there just right so that data would work, just something to keep in mind if you're using an adapter.

Phone is locked to TMobile, of course. Inserting an AT&T MicroSIM (from an iPad) resulted in the phone asking for the unlock code. I skipped it, and it asked me for my APN settings (from a list of three). I chose AT&T 3G and was able to navigate the phone but, of course, no service.

Speaking of service, there is something a little weird going on with data speeds. Here in my office, the Lumia only gets about 3-4Mbps down. That would be using the TMobile AWS network, presumably, which should be 42Mpbs capable. This is my first AWS-compatible phone, so I'm not sure if those numbers are normal. However, if I swap the SIM over to my iPhone 5 (original A1428 model, not AWS compatible), I pull between 8-10Mbps in the same spot. Now, obviously, you're talking two different systems here, the AWS HSPA network vs the refarmed PCS HSPA network, which isn't officially launched in Charlotte yet. I just expected the AWS compatible phone to kick my iPhone's butt and was just kind of surprised. I'm getting out for lunch so I'll be able to try it at a different location and see if it's just my desk area that has an issue.

Otherwise, phone is responsive and snappy, like I expected. I don't know if I'll have an issue with only having 512MB of RAM at some point in the future, but it doesn't seem to be a big hindrance right now. Just from playing with it for the small time I've had it this morning, I'd probably pick it up before I picked up the RAZR HD.

The only other thing I have is that I put a 8GB mSD card in it, and it's been stuck booting with the TMobile logo forever. I assumed it was formatting the card so I left it, but it's been nearly 45 minutes now. Figure I'll take it out and try a 2GB card. I know there was some issues with mSD cards and the initial WP7 release, but thought those had been resolved.

I'll post some more after I get some more time with it.

EDIT: I pulled the mSD card out and stuck it in my computer and formatted it for FAT32 and stuck it back in and everything seems to be going along fine. It was NTFS with a couple of files on it and I stuck in the phone like that just to see what happens.
 
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pantsaregood

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I have no idea what issue the phone had with your SD card, given WP8 is designed to support them. The issue WP7 had was entirely unrelated - WP7 was never designed to support expandable storage. Phones that supported it had problems because the phones treated all storage contiguously.