Looking for a New Phone

bob4432

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See post #24 please....

As title states, I am looking for 2 new phones, 1 for me, 1 for my wife (same make & model for both of us). Our needs are what I would call minimal but want something that has a company that stands behind their product and the phone is not known to lockup or hiccup, even in the hot months of the Phx, AZ vicinity. I have been using an old HTC One X (been using HTC for a long time, probably 5 or 6 phones deep but that does not matter) and its battery is shot, so need something to take its place - am not a brand loyalist

My requests:
- <$200
- STABLE
- Decent market saturation so bugs are seen and attended to, not some 'off the wall' phone that nobody uses
- Use for basic apps - Mail, Signal, WhatsApp, Waze, Twitter, Maps and tracking that I put on (I know, I know, but it is just me and my wife, like to know where we are in proximity to each other as she has severe disabilities and the summer months can wreak havoc with her). No games or light games. Probably use some type of note taking app, word app, YouTube. No hardcore 3d gaming.
- Long Battery Life, user changeable battery a plus but not a deal breaker - either cell radio or WiFi will always be on
- Accurate GPS (My current HTC One X can put me in the area of the room I am in in my condo (probably less than 6' accuracy, a iPhone 4s put me outside of my condo, probably 20ft away from where I actually was, an accurate GPS is very important due to Medical Issues)
- WiFi A,B,G,N will suffice
- Unlocked from factory, have no desire to get into some type of contract
- Decent back camera - Not necessarily the number of pixels but the quality of the photos is more important
- Screen that is bright enough for direct AZ sun, prefer
- 1920x1080, 5-5.5" or so sized phone
- 2+GB Ram, 16GB or more memory, SD Card a must (128GB or more)
- Local to US w/ a GSM carrier, no need for dual sims unless cost is minimal
- For the time being, will be using on ATT network
- Vanilla Android OS (6 and ability to use 7 and possibly farther out, a bit of future proofing would be nice as long as it does not come as the cost of battery life), or very close - tired of all the carrier bloatware (figure this can cut costs by not having to use the higher-end chipsets, but would like the phone to be snappy for average every day uses)
- Doesn't run hot as AZ summers are Hot - no need to stress internal components
- Not too worried about sound quality of onboard speakers, will use decent headphones for music listening
- Ability to use different "burner" phone numbers
- 2016-2017 model
- Phone will more than likely be in some kind of case from the moment it is open along w/ a glass protector
- No need for fingerprint scanner
- There are a lot of new players since the last time I looked at phones, do not mind going w/ a brand that I am not familiar with just as long as they have decent market share
- Quick charging nice, but not a deal breaker - have adapters in vehicles and like I listed earlier, I would like a long battery life
- Do not want any 'cheaper phone for a distributor to spam/ad campaign' me
- Ability to shoot video @ 1920x1080x30fps on back camera - this is a 'just in case' option, do not plan on using the camera as a video recorder but if something happens 1920x1080 would suffice, not a 2160p person.

Purchase will be in the next couple of months if that long, my current phone requires charging at least 2x daily, so I do not expect it to last much longer

Thanks in advance,
Bob
 
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shabby

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Under $200, long battery life, android 6+ and future updates... pick two because you can't have it all.
Either the moto g5 or those chinese xiaomi phones with 4000mah batteries.
 

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Moto G5 (vanilla phone, not so good battery)

Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 (depends of the model it has AWS)
 

Commodus

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Moto G5 (non-Plus). I've heard it can last through a typical day, so that might be good enough. That and it supports fast charging, as I recall, so you won't have to wait long even if you do need to plug in.
 

bob4432

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I have read that the Moto G5 (Vanilla) is not to be sold in the US, only the G5 Plus - any comments on it?

There is the Moto G4 that runs $50 less if not more - what I am seeing is G4 = 179.99, G5 Plus = 229.99. Plan on going w/ the 2GB Ram version of whichever - the G5 Plus = Snapdragon 625 processor with 2.0 GHz octa-core A53 CPU and 650 MHz Adreno 506 GPU where the G4 = Snapdragon 617 with Octa-core (4x1.5 GHz Cortex-A53 & 4x1.2 GHz Cortex-A53) and 550 MHz Adreno 405 GPU. The G4 comes w/ Android 6, upgradeable to 7 w/ the G5 Plus it has Android 7 on it.

Is the G5 Plus worth the extra $50/phone?

Thanks in advance,
Bob
 

Commodus

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I have read that the Moto G5 (Vanilla) is not to be sold in the US, only the G5 Plus - any comments on it?

There is the Moto G4 that runs $50 less if not more - what I am seeing is G4 = 179.99, G5 Plus = 229.99. Plan on going w/ the 2GB Ram version of whichever - the G5 Plus = Snapdragon 625 processor with 2.0 GHz octa-core A53 CPU and 650 MHz Adreno 506 GPU where the G4 = Snapdragon 617 with Octa-core (4x1.5 GHz Cortex-A53 & 4x1.2 GHz Cortex-A53) and 550 MHz Adreno 405 GPU. The G4 comes w/ Android 6, upgradeable to 7 w/ the G5 Plus it has Android 7 on it.

Is the G5 Plus worth the extra $50/phone?

Thanks in advance,
Bob

I would spring for the G5 Plus myself. Faster CPU helps, of course, but the bigger deals to me are futureproofing (it'll be more likely to get future Android updates) and, as I understand, an improved camera.
 

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Anyone know if Motorola will release a phone with 1440 x 2560 screen and a removable battery? The Moto Z has a QHD screen but non-removable battery and was released in 2016. The Moto G5 is actually released in 2017, *with* a removable battery, but 1080p screen. So it's a little bit surprising to see their newer phone with a removable battery.
 

manly

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Anyone know if Motorola will release a phone with 1440 x 2560 screen and a removable battery? The Moto Z has a QHD screen but non-removable battery and was released in 2016. The Moto G5 is actually released in 2017, *with* a removable battery, but 1080p screen. So it's a little bit surprising to see their newer phone with a removable battery.
I have no idea, but isn't the deal that because flagship phones are so thin, a removable battery is pretty much a no-go? Not to mention planned obsolescence is part of the business model.
 

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It also ignores that the Moto Z has an official add-on battery.

I guess if they want to keep hot-swapping, just buy a couple of the add-ons. I'm still very meh on the whole hot swap thing.

I'm for repairable phones, but that's not really the same as hot-swappable.
 

bob4432

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I would spring for the G5 Plus myself. Faster CPU helps, of course, but the bigger deals to me are futureproofing (it'll be more likely to get future Android updates) and, as I understand, an improved camera.
To bad the 5+ does not have the removable/replaceable battery that the 5 does. The total life of the battery (as in when it will need multiple charges a day to keep going) will be how futureproof it is for me. The 5 is able to be had but the ONLY benefit is the removable/replaceable battery, and it is more expensive than the 5+. Oy Vey....
 

fuzzybabybunny

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It also ignores that the Moto Z has an official add-on battery.

I guess if they want to keep hot-swapping, just buy a couple of the add-ons. I'm still very meh on the whole hot swap thing.

I'm for repairable phones, but that's not really the same as hot-swappable.
And the swappable battery packs are $100+ each. Cost of just a normal battery for something like an S5 should be $20 each or less.

And I totally don't get the thin phone craze. It digs into the hand more. And like most people you'll probably wrap it anyway in a protective plastic case, making it thick and plastic. My phone is probably 17mm thick because of the case and a stack of 4 cards stored on the back. It saves me from ever having to carry a wallet, so my pockets feel much less encumbered.
 

fuzzybabybunny

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To bad the 5+ does not have the removable/replaceable battery that the 5 does. The total life of the battery (as in when it will need multiple charges a day to keep going) will be how futureproof it is for me. The 5 is able to be had but the ONLY benefit is the removable/replaceable battery, and it is more expensive than the 5+. Oy Vey....
Keep in mind that after a couple of years the 5 will have an old battery with probably 60% of its original capacity literally trapped inside.
 

Zaap

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I know this is the case with samsung phones and maybe others- even though the batteries aren't user-replaceable, they can be 'factory-replaceable' for a fee. I think like $45 or so for Samsung models.

Is this possible with the phones mentioned in this thread?

I pretty much hate that removable batteries have fallen by the wayside with most models- but at least as long as a replacement IS possible- even if I can no longer do it myself- then I'm okay with that.
 

fuzzybabybunny

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I know this is the case with samsung phones and maybe others- even though the batteries aren't user-replaceable, they can be 'factory-replaceable' for a fee. I think like $45 or so for Samsung models.

Is this possible with the phones mentioned in this thread?

I pretty much hate that removable batteries have fallen by the wayside with most models- but at least as long as a replacement IS possible- even if I can no longer do it myself- then I'm okay with that.

I haven't been able to find any mention of Motorola offering this service, at least nothing like a one-day battery replacement that Samsung offers. You might be able to send in the Motorola as a general repair, but it could take a while to get your phone back and no idea how much it would cost.

You would probably be looking at $15-20 to ship the phone to Samsung, $45 to replace the battery, and then another $15 to ship it back to you. You'd probably lose your phone for a week and spend $75.

If you're travelling internationally, good luck.

Again, I really really hate the trend of sealing the battery in. There is no practical reason for it other than planned obsolescence. If it's for waterproofness, it's completely possible to seal the phone's main structure and have a separate compartment for the battery that's sealed separately. Scuba diving computers do this all the time. Watches do this all the time. Electric toothbrushes do this all the time. Etc.

It's just a blatant money grab.
 

Zaap

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Oh I agree 100% ! I've never liked this trend.

Had Samsung never adopted it (at least with the Note line) I fully believe they'd have a richer bottom line, no Note 7 fiasco, even more satisfied customers than ever and absolutly no one screaming at them to seal up the battery. Win-win all around.

Unfortunately, we're on a bad trend with 'removed function' being marketed (successfully) as a feature.
 

bob4432

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After a lot of reading the Moto G5+ is looking better & better. Anybody have anything else they can think of to throw into the mix?

Also, a bit off topic, but I cannot seem to find one of the wallet cases that holds more than a few cards & the phone. Are there any cases that are a true wallet replacement for IDs, CCs & the other items you actually need in a wallet?

Appreciate all the feedback & suggestions,
Bob
 
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I posted a mini review/snapshot of the phone I just bought. Blu Life One X2. It fits much of what you're asking for. Coming from someone who also has an iPhone 6, Note Edge, and used an S5, this phone is good, especially for the price. I'd opt for the 64GB/4GB ram variant if money permits, but I'm doing just fine on the 16GB/2GB variant. Mine was only $83 on Amazon warehouse deals.

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/surprisingly-good-budget-phone-blu-life-one-x2.2504018/
 

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After a lot of reading the Moto G5+ is looking better & better. Anybody have anything else they can think of to throw into the mix?

Also, a bit off topic, but I cannot seem to find one of the wallet cases that holds more than a few cards & the phone. Are there any cases that are a true wallet replacement for IDs, CCs & the other items you actually need in a wallet?

Appreciate all the feedback & suggestions,
Bob

I haven't seen one that does more than just that. The catch is, of course, that having the usual features you want in a wallet leaves you with a very thick phone case. I just admitted it and stuck to a dedicated wallet (in a separate pocket, of course). Wallet cases are very much meant for the minimalist types who only have a few cards and rarely carry cash. I love that lifestyle, but it's hard to achieve for many people.
 

bob4432

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I haven't seen one that does more than just that. The catch is, of course, that having the usual features you want in a wallet leaves you with a very thick phone case. I just admitted it and stuck to a dedicated wallet (in a separate pocket, of course). Wallet cases are very much meant for the minimalist types who only have a few cards and rarely carry cash. I love that lifestyle, but it's hard to achieve for many people.
I get that about having a thicker phone case, but just 3 cards is so little. Oh well, guess a seperate wallet/phone case unless I stumble across something else that will work. Appreciate the info.
Bob
 

bob4432

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What version of Android allowed for the SD card to be mounted as additional phone memory and used by the phone as such instead of a separate memory device?
 

Commodus

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What version of Android allowed for the SD card to be mounted as additional phone memory and used by the phone as such instead of a separate memory device?

That's an option in Android 6.0 and up. It's called "adoptable storage" -- it's good if you know you'll rarely if ever remove your SD card, and you're really just using it for extra space.
 

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I would get a G4 Plus instead of a G5 if the budget is a strict concern. Otherwise, get the G5. Bonus: The Gs are carrier agnostic.
 

bob4432

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Some things have changed since my last posts - medical bills to the tune of ~$700 in the last week or so & the need to replace 2 laptops. This changes the phone costs a bit.

Looking for something in the $100-$150 range that will have at least Android 6.0 & higher, 1920x1080 screen (if possible) atleast 2GB RAM w/ microSD slot capable of 64MB or higher, from a company that regularily updates, ok camera and still a minimalist Android + limited, enhancing manf additions. Still need a relatively new phone due to the battery lasting a bit.

Recommendations please,
Bob