Looking for a large, fast hard drive?

leglez

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I just built a new computer, but am holding off on purchasing a new hdd in hopes of lower prices. I am wanting to buy TB drives. I want the fastest TB drives that are out there, but I also don't want to have to pay ridiculous prices. I am wanting to buy at least 2 x 1 TB drives. One for a main hdd, and the other for use with Time Machine in OS X. One question though, if I have it backing up to the time machine like once a day should it be internal or external?

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!
 

QuixoticOne

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I don't know about the Time Machine at all, but as long as a drive shows up as a usable disc device I would assume that any software should be able to utilise it for backup purposes whether it is internal, external, or network mapped.

The Dell 7200.11 1TB Seagate deal for $109 shipped discussed yesterday on the Anandtech Hot Deals forum was the best I've seen so far for the Seagate drives presumably with the 5 year warranty.

Anyway external is fine if the backup has to occur once per day.
1 day = 86500 seconds. A typical external USB 2 enclosure will deliver over 20MBy/s,
so 86400s * 20MBy/s = over 1.7TB / day transfer capacity. Typically you'll get
more bandwidth than that for transfers of somewhat large files (a few megabytes each),
and much less for transfers of small (a few kilobytes or less) files, assuming that we're talking
about uncompressed individual file copies.

An external eSATA drive will have even better sustained large file bandwidth than that.

So it is just about possible to to a full daily 1TB-2TB size backup over a fairly slow external USB 2.0 disc assuming the source disc isn't too fragmented and you don't have too many billions of tiny size files to slow down the process of reading from the source.

If you use certain archiving / imaging software to backup then the external drive will tend to be written to more efficiently due to a stream of larger I/O operations going to it during backup, whereas the transfer rate out of the source PC/drive may be a bit lessened due to the added computations being done on the data et. al.

I'd suggest eSATA if it is inexpensive, and well supported for your system, otherwise USB 2.0, or Firewire 800 if you can find such an enclosure and have such a port on the PC.

 

Soundmanred

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Dell deal is dead and will probably cancel all orders. :(
That was the best price around, too bad it was another of Dell's "mistakes".
I bought my drives in external form (WD MyBook) and took the drives out as they were cheaper than buying an identical internal drive.
Just keep checking Newegg...
 

leglez

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Would I get faster speeds if I did some form of raid with smaller drives maybe? I don't know much about raid, but would like 2 of the 640GB drives in RAID 0 be good and then have it backup to an external 1TB drive? I know the 640GB drives are suppose to be faster since they only have 2 platters. And if I am correct RAID 0 gives faster speeds, or is that RAID 1? And then the external backup drive would not need fast performance being as it would just be used for backups.

Oh and I did some more reading on Time Machine, and basically copies all the files on your computer over to the drive when you first set it up, then every hour after that it copies new or changed files over and links them to the files that are already on the drive and puts them in the right directories and everything, therefore enabling the user to restore a single file or project or the whole computer.

So if I were to grab This External Enclosure, and This Harddrive then that would be good for an external?

Then 2 of These and This RAID Card I would be able to get pretty decent speeds and if either of the drives failed it would still be backed up onto the external and I could just order new drives and replace the data.
 

leglez

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Also, is eSATA or SATA faster? I have plenty of space for more hard drives in my case, so if it isn't absolutely necessary for it to be external then I would rather just use it in the case unless there is a negative of using it in the case.
 

supremelaw

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People do disagree with me on these points, but I have not been
persuaded by any of their arguments to date:

1. If you want 1TB -AND- performance, buy 2 x 500GB SATA/3G HDDs
and configure them in a RAID 0 array, using an on-board RAID controller;
500GB SATA/3G HDDs are relatively cheap today;

2. Yes, if one of those 2 x 500GB HDDs fails, you do lose all data on the entire
RAID 0 array; but, if a single spindle with 1TB fails, you also lose all that data,
so it's a wash, as far as data loss is concerned;

3. Similarly, if one of the 2 x 500GB HDDs fails, you still need replace the
failed drive, which is exactly what you must do if a single 1TB HDD fails;
replace a drive -or- replace a drive = another "wash";

4. Although 2 x HDDs in RAID 0 will not scale linearly, that RAID 0 array
will be faster than a single 1TB HDD, on average and over time;

5. 5-year warranties are not much more expensive than 3-year warranties,
but "time flies when you're having fun" and 3 years will probably go by
faster than you expect; it's so wonderful to have a factory warranty in
years 4 and 5, when a hard drive is statistically more prone to failure,
assuming it has been in regular use for the first 3 years.


> is eSATA or SATA faster?

They should both conform to the SATA-II "standard" of 300 MB/second,
but the voltage specs for eSATA and internal SATA are different;
eSATA controllers add slightly more voltage to eSATA ports,
so that eSATA cables will not cause signal strength to degrade.

Thus, you may run into problems if you try to add a PCI slot bracket
with eSATA ports, and connect the SATA cables from that bracket
to the main SATA ports on your motherboard. With that combination
of ports and cables, your motherboard's main SATA ports may not
be supplying sufficient voltage to the SATA cables that terminate
at the eSATA ports in that PCI slot bracket.

I believe that the latest P45 chipset has attempted to address
this latter problem, but be sure to do your homework before
doing the wrong thing without intending to.

BEST WAY is to stick with your motherboard's integrated
eSATA port(s) at the rear I/O panel; or, install a good
RAID controller that requires either eSATA cable connections
or Multi-Lane "Infiniband" cables at the rear I/O panel.

One such controller that we've used is the Highpoint
RocketRAID 2322: this controller does NOT come
with Multi-Lane Infiniband cables, so be sure you
purchase the correct cables separately.

Another minor issue, which may create headaches for you,
is to select the correct eSATA cable connector for your
external storage enclosure: some require a matching eSATA
connector, while others require a standard SATA connector
for the port on the external enclosure. We ended up buying
one of each, to cover both possibilities.


Sincerely yours,
/s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell, Inventor and
Webmaster, Supreme Law Library

All Rights Reserved without Prejudice
 

leglez

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Thanks for the great post! I completely agree with some of your points, so are you saying it would be smarter to get 2 x 500GB drives to use as a backup? I planned on getting 2 x 640GB drives for the RAID 0 Array, and then get the 1TB and either put it in an external or internal to use for backups. #5 makes a great point, it is $10 more for a seagate drive with a 5 year warranty, so I will probably go with that. I still think 2 x 640GB is a better idea than 2 x 500GB being as it is only like $5 more I believe. I won't be able to back it all up, but with time machine you can pick certain folders to not be backed up, so if 1TB is actually 977GBs, and 640GBs is 625, 2 will be 1250, that leaves 273 Gigs that won't be backed up if I am correct. I also never like to have less than 10% of a drive empty, so the most I will ever have on the 640s are around 560 so around 1120GBs of usable space, therefore not being able to back up 143GBs is fine. I have a lot of stuff that if I were to lose it it would not really be a big deal to get again.
 

leglez

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I am starting to consider not doing raid after all. I have spent more than I originally planned on spending by a long shot so I have decided since I got everything I need right now I will set $80 aside every week for further upgrading and to get whatever else I still need. I am purchasing a 150GB Raptor X on Friday for $100 and after that I am going to stick to this plan. So how does this look:

  • Purchase 150GB Raptor X for OS and Applications
  • Save for 2 weeks and purchase 1TB internal drive for backups
  • Save 2 more weeks and purchase 2 x 640GB and put them into RAID 0 and use this for temporary storing of video projects (With this would I have 640 GBs usable space or 1280GBs of usable space?)
Save 1 more week and purchase another 640GB drive for media.