Looking for a good TV Tuner card

Saulbadguy

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This may be the wrong forum, but I am looking for information (not deals) on tv tuner cards, and the differences between them. I had the Leadtek 2000XP (the one with the superthread in Hot deals), and was unhappy with the quality of software, and the card itself. Any information and/or reccomendations would be appreciated. I am looking for a card that can record at very high quality, and can do a good job with scheduling and recording. suggestions?
 

mztykal

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The KMediia or KWorld one I got works wonders. Well it did till the remote sensor died and then it kinda sucked. I've been waiting for Newegg to restock it but they never do. :(
 

yellowperil

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I was going to go with the Leadtek but I might hold off until the new Asus 10-bit cards get reviewed. You could help me out :D
 

chocoruacal

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Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
This may be the wrong forum, but I am looking for information (not deals) on tv tuner cards, and the differences between them. I had the Leadtek 2000XP (the one with the superthread in Hot deals), and was unhappy with the quality of software, and the card itself. Any information and/or reccomendations would be appreciated. I am looking for a card that can record at very high quality, and can do a good job with scheduling and recording. suggestions?

Be more specific...what are format are you capturing in, and what software have you tried? I have a Leadtek, and....

MJPEG quality 18+-->AviSynth-->2-Pass Xvid

...produces very good results.

Newer 10 bit cards are out (Winfast is 8 bit), and the picture quality is noticably better. However, unless you're willing to spend some time learning how to use VirtualVCR/AviSynth/VirtualDub, pretty much any software you use is going to suck, ESPECIALLY the garbage that comes included with the cards :)

Back to 10 bit cards...I recently spent a couple weeks with ProLink's XCapture (no tuner, just RCA/Svideo in.) Picture quality from the new Conexant chip was great...though the card had some major problems so I'm sending it back to Newegg. Worked with VirtualVCR...no problems there. I'll also be trying out Asus' new card this week, which uses a 10 bit Philips chip.

If you're capturing straight to VCD/SVCD, then you'll never notice the difference between the 8 and 10 bit cards. If you're capturing to Huff/MJPEG and then going to xvid/divx, you'll definitely notice that the new chips produce a much sharper image.
 

Wiseguy69

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CPU magazine just did an article on PVR computers. Aside from the All in Wonder cards, they seem to love the Hauppauge cards. I personally love my AIW 8500 and am grabbing the AIW 9600 as soon as it comes out.
 

Saulbadguy

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Yea, i'm pretty new to the whole thing. I used the crap that came with the card. Basically what I will be doing is recording my favourite TV shows, and eventually i'd like to burn them to DVD. I know HOW to do this, but I don't know the best way to do it. I'm also wanting something before the NFL season starts..so i'll need it before Sept. 7th. I guess I need to know :

A) Which card to purchase. I'd like to stay under $100.00.
B) Which software to use to produce the results I want. I want to record TV Shows, and burn them to DVD.
 

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Originally posted by: Wiseguy69
CPU magazine just did an article on PVR computers. Aside from the All in Wonder cards, they seem to love the Hauppauge cards. I personally love my AIW 8500 and am grabbing the AIW 9600 as soon as it comes out.

i just put in an order for an AIW 9700 from Newegg for $299.00

I'm pretty excited about this purchase. won't have it till wed or so tho. :(
 

Muck

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I love my Asus. But it's not available anymore. Probably waiting for the 10-bits to come out.
 

chocoruacal

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Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Yea, i'm pretty new to the whole thing. I used the crap that came with the card. Basically what I will be doing is recording my favourite TV shows, and eventually i'd like to burn them to DVD. I know HOW to do this, but I don't know the best way to do it. I'm also wanting something before the NFL season starts..so i'll need it before Sept. 7th. I guess I need to know :

A) Which card to purchase. I'd like to stay under $100.00.
B) Which software to use to produce the results I want. I want to record TV Shows, and burn them to DVD.

I haven't seen any reviews on the newer 10 bit cards...so its pretty much a crapshoot on driver/software support, but the image quality should be much better. Also, you can capture to 720x480, which is DVD resolution. You options would be:

Asus 7133 (Philips)
MSI TV Anywhere (Conexant CX23880)
Prolink Play TV (Conexant CX23883). Based on my XCapture card, I would advise to avoid Prolink all together.
AverTV. I think their "base" card is the CX2388x now...don't quote me on it though.

My suggestion for maximum quality capture-->DVD would be as follows...

1. Capture to MJPEG. This will yield files around 10 gigs/hour. Free (its included with the trial version of Showshifter :D)
2. AviSynth. Filter out noise....Convolution3d works well. Free.
3. Encode to MPEG2 (DVD) using Tmpgenc (free for 30 days, unless you live in the past hint hint.)
4. Burn to DVD with whatever.

Avisynth and tmpgenc are easy to learn/use for the most basic functions. Keep in mind that you could always get a card with hardware MPEG2 encoding, but the quality will suffer this way, and editing MPEG2 is generally more difficult than .avi.
 

Muck

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chocoruacal, I have a question.

I have the Asus TV Tuner (which I love). Right now I have all Asus TV880 drivers. Windows Update always wants me to "update" to Conextant 1.1.5.5 drivers. Which one is better?? If I'm not mistaken, this will only update the crossbar, while leaving the Tuner and Video Capture with Asus drivers.
 

Saulbadguy

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One more question. I ordered the MSI TV@nywhere card. Now..you say capture to MJPEG..what is the programs name that I need to use to actually record tv programs? Do I use the software that comes with the card?
 

Cerb

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Originally posted by: Wiseguy69
CPU magazine just did an article on PVR computers. Aside from the All in Wonder cards, they seem to love the Hauppauge cards. I personally love my AIW 8500 and am grabbing the AIW 9600 as soon as it comes out.
IME, capture on the Hauppauge is as good as ATi AIW...but if you switch OSes you'll hate it. Drivers don't seem to be Hauppauge's strongsuit. Kinda like ATi was until the newer Radeons.
 

wicktron

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I don't mean to be a sale-whore or anything, but if if anybody in this thread is interested in purchasing my Asus TV tuner, PM me :)
 

b3b0p

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
consider hdtv cards:) ~200$


Yes this what I would get and might soon. If you live in/near a large city you should be able to pick many local HDTV stations. Many are live right now. Even in little ol Stillwater, OK I can pick up ABC (Monday Football in HD woot!), NBC (Leno in HD is really neat), PBS, and I think CBS is live now or soon to be.
 

wetcat007

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Opps heh didnt see that u already had it lol.. i had problems with drivers and that, but after i did a clean install of windows with their new software/drivers, it works much better.
 

Saulbadguy

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One more question. I ordered the MSI TV@nywhere card. Now..you say capture to MJPEG..what is the programs name that I need to use to actually record tv programs? Do I use the software that comes with the card?
 

Saulbadguy

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Ok, i'm returning the piece of crap MSI card. It doesn't even support stereo. I went ahead and ordered the ASUS 7133 card. I'll tell you how it works.
 

Saulbadguy

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Originally posted by: chocoruacal
Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Yea, i'm pretty new to the whole thing. I used the crap that came with the card. Basically what I will be doing is recording my favourite TV shows, and eventually i'd like to burn them to DVD. I know HOW to do this, but I don't know the best way to do it. I'm also wanting something before the NFL season starts..so i'll need it before Sept. 7th. I guess I need to know :

A) Which card to purchase. I'd like to stay under $100.00.
B) Which software to use to produce the results I want. I want to record TV Shows, and burn them to DVD.

I haven't seen any reviews on the newer 10 bit cards...so its pretty much a crapshoot on driver/software support, but the image quality should be much better. Also, you can capture to 720x480, which is DVD resolution. You options would be:

Asus 7133 (Philips)
MSI TV Anywhere (Conexant CX23880)
Prolink Play TV (Conexant CX23883). Based on my XCapture card, I would advise to avoid Prolink all together.
AverTV. I think their "base" card is the CX2388x now...don't quote me on it though.

My suggestion for maximum quality capture-->DVD would be as follows...

1. Capture to MJPEG. This will yield files around 10 gigs/hour. Free (its included with the trial version of Showshifter :D)
2. AviSynth. Filter out noise....Convolution3d works well. Free.
3. Encode to MPEG2 (DVD) using Tmpgenc (free for 30 days, unless you live in the past hint hint.)
4. Burn to DVD with whatever.

Avisynth and tmpgenc are easy to learn/use for the most basic functions. Keep in mind that you could always get a card with hardware MPEG2 encoding, but the quality will suffer this way, and editing MPEG2 is generally more difficult than .avi.

Ok. Should I set any special settings with VirtualVCR when capturing? I set it to capture with the MJPEG codec. Sorry about all the questions, i'm new to all this..just trying to learn.