Looking for a Denon AVR-8505 equivalent...

[imported_goku]

Hey, can you let me know of the higher end DENON recievers of a few years ago? I don't want any HDMI switching or anything like that and I'm perfectly fine with getting used equipment so I was wondering if you could guide me to some older high end Denon recievers of a few years ago..


I'm willing to look at high end recievers from Denon between the year 2000 and 2004.

 

[michaels]

Bose>all

 

[hehatedme]

I think you meant 5805, and if you did the previous models are 5801, 5802, and 5803. But I don't know what years they made each model, and I could be wrong, but I think they skipped the 5804 model designation.

 

[imported_goku]

Is the Denon 5700 considered one of the high end models or just a midrange model? I was looking at the back and was really disappointed.

 

[EvilYoda]

The 5700 is rather old...I don't know if you'd want anything older than the 5801/5802. Why bother with an old amp like that anyway? Just buy some cheap Adcom/Rotel separates while you're at it.

 

[MrChad]

If you have the budget for a high-end Denon, you should really consider a separate pre-amp/processor and amplifier(s).

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

I regret mentioning it in the other thread. I was just posting it in there as a joke to suggest that you shouldn't be looking at a receiver to have as many inputs as you want. Don't get a multiple thousand dollar receiver when you just wanted 6 component inputs.

Please just get a component switch.

Unless you're planning on getting speakers costing much more than your receiver (or whatever you end up getting), don't spend this much.

Going from a $200-$300 Sony receiver ana a $300-$500 Polk 5.1 set, I don't think you should be considering this unless you really know what you're doing and know you want it. Based on the first thread I really suggest you think this over (or have your parents think it over as the case may be, I don't really know what your situation is).

 

[DaveSimmons]

^ agreed, unless you have at least a $1,500 speaker set this receiver is not going to sound any better than a $300 Onkyo, and possibly not even then.

 

[EvilYoda]

I don't know the rest of his situation, but in direct response to his question about an older high-end Denon - not a bad choice.

Take for instance, this 4802R on Audiogon. $750, with a little haggling, maybe that'll include shipping...the amps in those receivers were great...if he doesn't need all the newest bells & whistles, it could be a great way to go.

But it sounds like you need to do a little more thinking/research, OP

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: EvilYoda
I don't know the rest of his situation, but in direct response to his question about an older high-end Denon - not a bad choice.

Take for instance, this 4802R on Audiogon. $750, with a little haggling, maybe that'll include shipping...the amps in those receivers were great...if he doesn't need all the newest bells & whistles, it could be a great way to go.

But it sounds like you need to do a little more thinking/research, OP

The reason I linked to the 5805 a couple days ago was because it had 6 component inputs like the OP requested a recommendation for. Looks like the 4802 only has 3?

(Not that I'm saying your suggestion isn't a good one, but just FYI I think a ton of inputs is what "equivalent" means in this case)

 

[CTweak]

The ending of all recent Denon rcvrs relates to the model year. I.E. 5805 was a 2005 model year, 5804/3804, etc was 2004. This is of course a rough guide, but a good way to place the model in time...

 

[EvilYoda]

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello

Originally posted by: EvilYoda
I don't know the rest of his situation, but in direct response to his question about an older high-end Denon - not a bad choice.

Take for instance, this 4802R on Audiogon. $750, with a little haggling, maybe that'll include shipping...the amps in those receivers were great...if he doesn't need all the newest bells & whistles, it could be a great way to go.

But it sounds like you need to do a little more thinking/research, OP

The reason I linked to the 5805 a couple days ago was because it had 6 component inputs like the OP requested a recommendation for. Looks like the 4802 only has 3?

(Not that I'm saying your suggestion isn't a good one, but just FYI I think a ton of inputs is what "equivalent" means in this case)

Ah...if video switching is what he's looking for, then yeah...not so much. switch FTW

For good sound...not a bad choice. a bit overkill for your average <$500 speakers though.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
I regret mentioning it in the other thread. I was just posting it in there as a joke to suggest that you shouldn't be looking at a receiver to have as many inputs as you want. Don't get a multiple thousand dollar receiver when you just wanted 6 component inputs.

Please just get a component switch.

Unless you're planning on getting speakers costing much more than your receiver (or whatever you end up getting), don't spend this much.

Going from a $200-$300 Sony receiver ana a $300-$500 Polk 5.1 set, I don't think you should be considering this unless you really know what you're doing and know you want it. Based on the first thread I really suggest you think this over (or have your parents think it over as the case may be, I don't really know what your situation is).

Well if I can get a high end enough reciever for relatively cheap, why shouldn't I get it? I saw a denon AVR 5700 go for about $600 on ebay... What do you think of that model? how old is it? Any other high end models you can recommend?

If I can get older versions of these recievers that are high end and I don't have to spend nearly as much on them new as I would have, why shouldn't I get it?

I was looking at pictures of the AVR-5805 and by the looks of it, the video input section can be upgraded as it's completely independent, is this true? Do know anything about upgrading this? What about older models?

Maybe I should get a pre-amp and then an AV-Switch separately? Does the pre-amp, amplify the output sound from the AV-Switch? or is it the other way around?

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Yeah, you could do that... but I thought you wanted a new one with a lot of inputs and that's a big reason you wanted a new one.

I know you said you didn't need HDMI, but you could get a newer receiver with more features (like HDMI) for less than that new. I guess it really depends on what you're looking for.

About the upgradability of the 5805, I know they came out with a MKII version of it that had some upgrades. I'm not sure if you could get upgrades done to previous models to get upgrades like that though. If you did, it would surely involve going to an authorized denon service center to have it done.

A pre-amp would be like a receiver without the amp portion. The amps are what power the speakers.

The idea of your for just upgrading the video is kind of like one of the benefits to running separates. If you have a pre-amp / processor and then an amp to power the speakers, the amp should last you a long time. If new video and audio formats come out or new features, you just upgrade your pre-amp / processor and keep using your same amp.

If you got an AV-switch and a pre-amp, you would want to plug the switch into the pre-amp, but you would still need an amp to power the speakers.

I don't know if I mentioned this in the other thread yet, but I think a good general starting point for total system spending would be around 2:1:1 for speakers:receiver:sub. You should get a better balance in total final quality by spending the majority of your funds on your speakers. Your sub will also have a very large impact. The receiver will make a different too in quality, but I don't think it's anywhere near the kind of difference you would notice going with higher quality speakers.

 

[imported_goku]

I heard you can't use amps for one brand with another, like you have to buy them as a set which makes it seem pretty pointless...

 

[EvilYoda]

Originally posted by: goku
I heard you can't use amps for one brand with another, like you have to buy them as a set which makes it seem pretty pointless...

bwaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha...whoever told you that should get an award.

and then be shot.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: goku
I heard you can't use amps for one brand with another, like you have to buy them as a set which makes it seem pretty pointless...

you heard very wrong.

I'd stay away from the older receivers. The newer ones are just too jam packed with features, self calibration/EQ being the biggest one.

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Who are you getting advice from besides AT?

If you just want to do some more general research before you decide what you want to do, you might want to check out AVSforum for a while.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/

I don't know if I linked you to this before, but I made up a poorly put together general audio thread. You might find some parts of it useful for understanding some of the basics.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=30&threadid=1810562&enterthread=y

 

[imported_goku]

I've been already visiting the AVS forum, not too much of a help...

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Goku, if you're lurking during your ban, just thought I'd mention this since I was randomly looking around AVSforum's FS area.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=759650

If you're dead set on having 6 component inputs and don't mind used, that might be a good idea.

Now that you say you have a budget for other components to match buying something like this, knock yourself out.

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Here's another option
http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampsmult&1171416410

 

[biggestmuff]

Damn you, jello! I though Goku was back already! Don't scare me like that!

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: biggestmuff
Damn you, jello! I though Goku was back already! Don't scare me like that!

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[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: goku
I've been already visiting the AVS forum, not too much of a help...

IT's really turned into a Best Buy/Circuit City fan-boy site whih is really unfortunate. People really used to know what high fidelity is.

EIDT: People think Harmon-Kardon is high end.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

GOKU,

Why Denon? Is everything else Denon? If that's the case, you should only be concerned with sticking with denon if you are concerned with a consitantlook to your rack of components.

What is your price range?

What do you want? surround sound? 5.1 or 7.1 or just 5.0? Or is your concern with sound quality to the mains for music and suround is secondary?

Anyways ... I'm after an upgrade. I want the Pioneer 56TXi whcih goes for about $60 on EBay. I want ot wait a year or two though till prices drop a bit more. I want hte 7.1 more than need it also ... so it's not a huge priority. I want ot upgrade from 5.0 but at 30, I don't watch movies like I used to. I mgiht do a dedicated home theater in about 5 years ... time will tell.