Looking at a 2005 Pontiac GTO

[MotF Bane]

2005 SILVER GTO for sale, red leather interior, 6 speed Manual, 17" wheels, SAP Grilles,(try and find a set) B&M shifter, 3M paint protection. Holden Center Console Factory Gauges ($450 from Australia), Absolutely perfect condition, one of 181 made in 2005 in this combination. It still smells new inside, I am original owner and have all the books and manuals, second set of keys, window sticker and paperwork on the car. including dealer promo materials for 2005. Comes with Diablosport Predator tuner(allows 93 octane tune and disables 1-4 skip shift) Shift light activated and DRL's deactivated. This car is a true muscle car and is the Australian/American answer to a BMW M3(this was the Holden Monaro down under) and will outperform most cars on the road today.
6.0L V8 LS2 ENGINE (400 HP, 400 lb.ft.)- Same LS2 engine as in 2005-2007 Corvette. It has 19k original miles, Never driven in snow, comes with $300 evolution car cover, spotless, no accidents, clean CarFax.

http://picasaweb.google.com/spykesta/GTO#

KBB says $18325, although KBB doesn't have options from some of the extras he lists. Does anybody have thoughts on this? Good deal, not so good? Ideas on a better price?

Edit: New England area.

 

[BlackTigers]

Man, that's a slick looking car.

 

[zerocool84]

Any car that has mods on it always makes me question it. Doesn't matter what type of car cus when people mod the car they drive, they USUALLY drive it hard even if the mods are minor. That tuner has me worried but someone that has a GTO can comment further.. Hell when you MOD something, why wouldn't you make use of the mods? It looks really nice though. Oh and BTW, modding a car lowers it's value.

 

[scorp00]

Looks like a good deal to me, I paid that exact amount for a 4 year old trans am with 46k on it. It was full retail but the only m6 I could find with an LS1. Great looking car, I love the color combo.

 

[scorp00]

Originally posted by: zerocool84
Any car that has mods on it always makes me question it. Doesn't matter what type of car cus when people mod the car they drive, they USUALLY drive it hard even if the mods are minor. That tuner has me worried but someone that has a GTO can comment further.. Hell when you MOD something, why wouldn't you make use of the mods? It looks really nice though. Oh and BTW, modding a car lowers it's value.

You have to mod out the skip shift just to drive these cars normally. It's an awful feature that wastes more gas than it saves. It has me in the habit of always winding first gear above the skip shift limit so it doesn't come on.

 

[ponyo]

Good color combo and clean looking. Price seems kind of high considering the economic climate we're in but I'm not an expert on GTO pricing. I know the dealers won't offer anywhere near that if you were to trade that in.

 

[AMCRambler]

Just bought an 05 but I've never heard of the 93 octane tune. I have heard you can get that predator device and disable the skipshift thing though. Sounds like it could have been driven hard but even if it has it's only got 19k on it. I'd ask the guy straight up if he took it to the track and how often. Check the tread on the rear tires and see if it looks worn and you'll know he's been launching hard and burning out too. Then test drive it. You'll be able to tell if something is wrong with the tranny. It should feel tight and grab snappily when you come up on the clutch. These cars were meant to be driven fast though and they mated a tranny in there that could handle the abuse.
Lastly, check for strut rub. The GTO's with the 17 inch rims have this problem where the alignment on many was off from the factory. Turn the wheels all the way one direction and look at the inside side wall of the tire to see if its been rubbing. Mines got 17's but no strut rub yet. If it goes uncorrected, you'll wear right through the side wall of the tire and they'll blow out. Not fun when you're driving spiritedly!
If it checks out, then I'd say go for it. But offer 18 to start.

 

[Elstupido]

I really think that kbb is high, and Edwards is low. In my area NADA seems to be what cars are actually selling for. Remeber, this is a very good time to buy a car, and a terrible time to sell one.

You are in control here, with all the bank financing going to shit. Take your time, and I am sure you can get this car for less. And if not, find someone who will deal with you. Offer the Edwards bluebook for this.

 

[alkemyst]

I like the GTO because of it's rarity....however; don't buy one if you really wanted a corvette. The corvette is a much better 'track' car.

Down here they go for a song used. I have actually considered picking one up. Are those gauges for RHD?

 

[ponyo]

I checked the Edmunds trade-in value on that car. It's $16,600. Dealers are probably offering around $14,500 if that and that's being nice. I would offer $16k and work up from there if necessary.

 

[Elstupido]

I meant Edmunds, not Edwards, (thinking of my finances too much I guess)
Thanks Naustica, that's more like the price he should be offering.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
I like the GTO because of it's rarity....however; don't buy one if you really wanted a corvette. The corvette is a much better 'track' car.

I want a GTO, and have since 2004 when I saw one.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: Naustica
I checked the Edmunds trade-in value on that car. It's $16,600. Dealers are probably offering around $14,500 if that and that's being nice. I would offer $16k and work up from there if necessary.

Oh wow, that's a lot better than 18500.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: zerocool84
Any car that has mods on it always makes me question it. Doesn't matter what type of car cus when people mod the car they drive, they USUALLY drive it hard even if the mods are minor. That tuner has me worried but someone that has a GTO can comment further.. Hell when you MOD something, why wouldn't you make use of the mods? It looks really nice though. Oh and BTW, modding a car lowers it's value.

Not necessarily.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: zerocool84
Any car that has mods on it always makes me question it. Doesn't matter what type of car cus when people mod the car they drive, they USUALLY drive it hard even if the mods are minor. That tuner has me worried but someone that has a GTO can comment further.. Hell when you MOD something, why wouldn't you make use of the mods? It looks really nice though. Oh and BTW, modding a car lowers it's value.

Not necessarily.

which part

 

[AMCRambler]

Why do people think that they can offer trade in value for a car being sold privately? Especially a car like a GTO? Offer 16 and the guy is just gonna laugh at you and sell it to the next guy that comes along. The reason there is a difference between private party and trade in is that private party value is what the car is really worth. The dealership needs to be able to either sell that car or unload it at a car auction and not lose money on the deal. For anyone to re-sell it and make money, they can't pay what its worth. Hence trade in value because they are doing you a favor by taking the car off your hands and you dont have to frig with selling it. 16 grand would be a slap in the face for that car. Especially since its got the SAP package and the Monaro gauge clusters stock.
If you want the car, don't offer the guy 16. You wont get it and he'll tell you where to go in no un-certain terms.

 

[AdamK47]

It doesn't have the SAP package. It's got a part of the SAP package, the grills. Those were selling at around $500 at one time and they are just simple plastic parts. I paid $350 for reproductions painted gloss black as seen here. Still pricey, but makes the front end look much better than it did before.

 

[Q]

Originally posted by: AMCRambler
Why do people think that they can offer trade in value for a car being sold privately? Especially a car like a GTO? Offer 16 and the guy is just gonna laugh at you and sell it to the next guy that comes along. The reason there is a difference between private party and trade in is that private party value is what the car is really worth. The dealership needs to be able to either sell that car or unload it at a car auction and not lose money on the deal. For anyone to re-sell it and make money, they can't pay what its worth. Hence trade in value because they are doing you a favor by taking the car off your hands and you dont have to frig with selling it. 16 grand would be a slap in the face for that car. Especially since its got the SAP package and the Monaro gauge clusters stock.
If you want the car, don't offer the guy 16. You wont get it and he'll tell you where to go in no un-certain terms.

Agreed, 16 is super low ball

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: Quintox

Originally posted by: AMCRambler
Why do people think that they can offer trade in value for a car being sold privately? Especially a car like a GTO? Offer 16 and the guy is just gonna laugh at you and sell it to the next guy that comes along. The reason there is a difference between private party and trade in is that private party value is what the car is really worth. The dealership needs to be able to either sell that car or unload it at a car auction and not lose money on the deal. For anyone to re-sell it and make money, they can't pay what its worth. Hence trade in value because they are doing you a favor by taking the car off your hands and you dont have to frig with selling it. 16 grand would be a slap in the face for that car. Especially since its got the SAP package and the Monaro gauge clusters stock.
If you want the car, don't offer the guy 16. You wont get it and he'll tell you where to go in no un-certain terms.

Agreed, 16 is super low ball

But then it is modded, so that automatically lowers it's value.

 

[AMCRambler]

Ok you're right about the SAP kit. Just grills. But it's also got 19k miles on it. Thats damn low mileage.

I bought my '05 back in July for 19,500. I might have been able to pick it up for 19k but there were two other people looking at the car and I wanted it. 17,000 on the odo and it was basically a garage queen for the last year because the guy selling it was living in NYC and had no place to keep a car.

I'm telling you 16k is wicked low ball. You could get a nice '04 for that, but not an '05.

 

[MotF Bane]

The mileage is a big part of why I'm looking at it. My current car is a 1998 with over 100k, and it's getting tired. It'll work well as a winter car (FWD), and keep this for the summer, should last for a long time with such low mileage.

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: AMCRambler
Ok you're right about the SAP kit. Just grills. But it's also got 19k miles on it. Thats damn low mileage.

I bought my '05 back in July for 19,500. I might have been able to pick it up for 19k but there were two other people looking at the car and I wanted it. 17,000 on the odo and it was basically a garage queen for the last year because the guy selling it was living in NYC and had no place to keep a car.

I'm telling you 16k is wicked low ball. You could get a nice '04 for that, but not an '05.

16k is not low ball. Winter is almost here and the economy is falling apart. You want to find out what's low ball? Go take your GTO to a dealership or places like CarMax and ask for a trade-in value. I bet you'll get around 14k if that.

If you really want the car, you can pay little more. But I'm looking this as objective bystander with nothing to gain or lose.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Naustica

Originally posted by: AMCRambler
Ok you're right about the SAP kit. Just grills. But it's also got 19k miles on it. Thats damn low mileage.

I bought my '05 back in July for 19,500. I might have been able to pick it up for 19k but there were two other people looking at the car and I wanted it. 17,000 on the odo and it was basically a garage queen for the last year because the guy selling it was living in NYC and had no place to keep a car.

I'm telling you 16k is wicked low ball. You could get a nice '04 for that, but not an '05.

16k is not low ball. Winter is almost here and the economy is falling apart. You want to find out what's low ball? Go take your GTO to a dealership or places like CarMax and ask for a trade-in value. I bet you'll get around 14k if that.

If you really want the car, you can pay little more. But I'm looking this as objective bystander with nothing to gain or lose.

Yeah $19k w/ 17k on the clock (which if it was parked for a year) is a bit high....sounds like a dealership price.

I am really considering one now as I can sell my car and be into a 06 for almost nothing.

I just am concerned the close to 4000 lbs.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: Quintox

Originally posted by: AMCRambler
Why do people think that they can offer trade in value for a car being sold privately? Especially a car like a GTO? Offer 16 and the guy is just gonna laugh at you and sell it to the next guy that comes along. The reason there is a difference between private party and trade in is that private party value is what the car is really worth. The dealership needs to be able to either sell that car or unload it at a car auction and not lose money on the deal. For anyone to re-sell it and make money, they can't pay what its worth. Hence trade in value because they are doing you a favor by taking the car off your hands and you dont have to frig with selling it. 16 grand would be a slap in the face for that car. Especially since its got the SAP package and the Monaro gauge clusters stock.
If you want the car, don't offer the guy 16. You wont get it and he'll tell you where to go in no un-certain terms.

Agreed, 16 is super low ball

But then it is modded, so that automatically lowers it's value.

Right.

 

[chris7b]

One of my favorites. Seems like a nice car, good mods. I would go for it