LOOK! It's ok to copy unauthorized movies now!

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MPAA admits to unauthorized movie copying

1/24/2006 11:52:04 AM, by Eric Bangeman

What happens when an organization that is best known for inveighing against the unauthorized copying of movies gets caught doing exactly that? The Motion Picture Association of America was caught with its pants down, admitting to making unauthorized copies of the documentary This Film Is Not Yet Rated in advance of this week's Sundance Film Festival.

This Film Is Not Yet Rated looks at the motion picture ratings system created and run by the MPAA. Director Kirby Dick submitted the film for rating in November. After receiving the movie, the MPAA subsequently made copies without Dick's permission. Dick had specifically requested in an e-mail that the MPAA not make copies of the movie. The MPAA responded by saying that "the confidentiality of your film is our first priority."

Dick later learned that the MPAA made copies of the film to distribute them to its employees, despite the MPAA's stance on unauthorized copying. Ah, there's nothing like the smell of hypocrisy in the morning-apparently the prohibition against copying films without the copyright owner's consent doesn't apply to the MPAA. A layer for the MPAA justified the organization's apparent hypocrisy by saying that Dick had invaded the privacy of some MPAA staffers, which justified the MPAA's actions.

"We made a copy of Kirby's movie because it had implications for our employees," said Kori Bernards, the MPAA's vice president for corporate communications. She said Dick spied on the members of the MPAA's Classification and Rating Administration, including going through their garbage and following them as they drove their children to school.

A little background: This Film looks at how the rating system functions, specifically at how some types of content are treated differently by the MPAA. Dick feels that the MPAA is full of?surprise?double standards, especially when it comes to how they treat graphic violence vs. sexual content, heterosexual vs. homosexual sex, and big-studio vs. independent films. As part of the documentary's creation, Dick trailed and identified some of the previously anonymous members of the ratings board. Dick's conduct became a cause for concern for both the MPAA and its employees, leading to their calling the police on some occasions.

According to Mark Lemley, a professor at the Stanford Law School, the MPAA may have been within its rights to make copies of the film. Given that the MPAA's intent isn't financial gain and that the whole situation may rise above the level of trading barbs through the media into legal action, making a copy may be justified. Personally, I can't see any justification for an organization such as the MPAA ignoring a directive from a copyright owner, but IANAL. A "digital version" of the movie was submitted for screening, according to Dick's attorney, Michael Donaldson. If that digital version turns out to be a DVD, the MPAA could also find itself in hot water for violating the DMCA. Oh, the irony! Either way, the MPAA can't be happy about being put into a position where they are forced to justify the same actions they decry when undertaken by a consumer.

It's difficult to see how This Film Is Not Yet Rated?which ended up with an NC-17 rating for graphic sexual content?is being harmed. If nothing else, Dick is reaping a bountiful crop of free publicity on the eve of the Sundance Film Festival. The MPAA's decision to make copies of the film without the copyright-holder's permission reinforces the documentary's message that the MPAA's actions often reek of self-interest and hypocrisy.
 

Syrch

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im sure there is a perfectly good explanation for this.....

/sarcasm off
 

jagec

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Originally posted by: KillyKillall
According to Mark Lemley, a professor at the Stanford Law School, the MPAA may have been within its rights to make copies of the film. Given that the MPAA's intent isn't financial gain and that the whole situation may rise above the level of trading barbs through the media into legal action, making a copy may be justified.

Wait, what? Given that their intent isn't financial gain, it's OK for them to do it? How about the millions of pirates who only download for their home use?
 

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Given that the MPAA's intent isn't financial gain and that the whole situation may rise above the level of trading barbs through the media into legal action, making a copy may be justified.

So it's ok for me to make copies of all my Netflix rentals as long as I don't sell them?
 

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Originally posted by: jtvang125
Given that the MPAA's intent isn't financial gain and that the whole situation may rise above the level of trading barbs through the media into legal action, making a copy may be justified.

So it's ok for me to make copies of all my Netflix rentals as long as I don't sell them?


I hope so...i think ^_^
 

AnonymouseUser

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Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: KillyKillall
According to Mark Lemley, a professor at the Stanford Law School, the MPAA may have been within its rights to make copies of the film. Given that the MPAA's intent isn't financial gain and that the whole situation may rise above the level of trading barbs through the media into legal action, making a copy may be justified.

Wait, what? Given that their intent isn't financial gain, it's OK for them to do it? How about the millions of pirates who only download for their home use?

They officially just opened Pandora's Box Office.
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: KillyKillall
According to Mark Lemley, a professor at the Stanford Law School, the MPAA may have been within its rights to make copies of the film. Given that the MPAA's intent isn't financial gain and that the whole situation may rise above the level of trading barbs through the media into legal action, making a copy may be justified.

Wait, what? Given that their intent isn't financial gain, it's OK for them to do it? How about the millions of pirates who only download for their home use?

They officially just opened Pandora's Box Office.

Nice one :p
 

Czar

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According to Mark Lemley, a professor at the Stanford Law School, the MPAA may have been within its rights to make copies of the film. Given that the MPAA's intent isn't financial gain and that the whole situation may rise above the level of trading barbs through the media into legal action, making a copy may be justified.
hey... the rest of us will just use that reason as well

go torrents!
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: KillyKillall
According to Mark Lemley, a professor at the Stanford Law School, the MPAA may have been within its rights to make copies of the film. Given that the MPAA's intent isn't financial gain and that the whole situation may rise above the level of trading barbs through the media into legal action, making a copy may be justified.

Wait, what? Given that their intent isn't financial gain, it's OK for them to do it? How about the millions of pirates who only download for their home use?

They officially just opened Pandora's Box Office.

hahah :D
 

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Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: KillyKillall
According to Mark Lemley, a professor at the Stanford Law School, the MPAA may have been within its rights to make copies of the film. Given that the MPAA's intent isn't financial gain and that the whole situation may rise above the level of trading barbs through the media into legal action, making a copy may be justified.

Wait, what? Given that their intent isn't financial gain, it's OK for them to do it? How about the millions of pirates who only download for their home use?

They officially just opened Pandora's Box Office.

LOL, Nice one.

I love how everything the MPAA does only hurts/pisses off their paying consumers. The pirates (who are selling for profit) will not stop regardless what BS scheme MPAA comes up with, nor will they likely ever get caught. Seriously, does the MPAA think the mass-producing pirates care about the fining/arrest of some 16 year old who DL'd 'The Matrix' off a Torrent?
 
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"We made a copy of Kirby's movie because it had implications for our employees," said Kori Bernards, the MPAA's vice president for corporate communications. She said Dick spied on the members of the MPAA's Classification and Rating Administration, including going through their garbage and following them as they drove their children to school.

So two wrongs make a right?
 

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Originally posted by: Brainonska511
"We made a copy of Kirby's movie because it had implications for our employees," said Kori Bernards, the MPAA's vice president for corporate communications. She said Dick spied on the members of the MPAA's Classification and Rating Administration, including going through their garbage and following them as they drove their children to school.

So two wrongs make a right?

Haha - Why did the movie they copy that had implications for their employees end up in the garbage anyway?
 

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the movie industry was founded on violating copyright, that is why they're in LA, because they can flee to mexico when copyright officers from new york came a'knockin'
 

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Originally posted by: oogabooga
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
"We made a copy of Kirby's movie because it had implications for our employees," said Kori Bernards, the MPAA's vice president for corporate communications. She said Dick spied on the members of the MPAA's Classification and Rating Administration, including going through their garbage and following them as they drove their children to school.

So two wrongs make a right?

Haha - Why did the movie they copy that had implications for their employees end up in the garbage anyway?

Reading comprehension isn't your forte, is it?
 

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It's good to see that the MPAA has set precedent that unauthorized copying is okay as long as you have some sort of excuse.
 
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Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: KillyKillall
According to Mark Lemley, a professor at the Stanford Law School, the MPAA may have been within its rights to make copies of the film. Given that the MPAA's intent isn't financial gain and that the whole situation may rise above the level of trading barbs through the media into legal action, making a copy may be justified.

Wait, what? Given that their intent isn't financial gain, it's OK for them to do it? How about the millions of pirates who only download for their home use?

They officially just opened Pandora's Box Office.

+1 for the nicely turned phrase. :D

- M4H
 

venk

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techincally if you rip a movie to watch at home that can be interperted as "financial gain" since you are saving yourself the price of getting it at the video store.
 

nakedfrog

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Shouldn't they be in even more trouble for making unauthorized copies of an unreleased movie?