I used to love playing racing sims from the old days from Papayrus like their indycar and nascar series in the mid / late 90's. Ive played the heck out of Nascar Season 2003 and still have that installed on my system to this very day, tried all the mods and track add-ons ect... but im tired of it. Ive tried Toca race driver 3 and wasnt really impressed. All the Need for Speed games in the series are more arcadish for my liking. Tried the trackmania series, also arcadish fun, not what im looking for. Crashday was so-so, again too arcadish!I have also dusted off my old game called F1 challenge '99-'02 and have been playing that again but it feels like ive alrdy played the heck out of that too. I need something refreshing in the race car sim dept. Are there any other racing sims I may have missed over the years that i didnt mention? Thanks in advance! "desparate racing sim fanatic"