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Long overdue upgrade (~10years)

joe360

Senior member
It's been about 10 years since my last build, and I've essentially been out of the loop the entire time. Look for some advice for a new build:

Answers to the standard questions:

1. What YOUR PC will be used for. That means what types of tasks you'll be performing.
Mostly general working tasks. No regular photo/video editing, but if I do occasionally run into the need for it. Used to do some gaming, but nothing crazy. I'd like to get back into it a little bit, but I'm not looking to run max settings or anything nuts. I would like to try VR eventually with this build (when the price drops a bit).

2. What YOUR budget is. A price range is acceptable as long as it's not more than a 20% spread
$750 would be nice, no more than $1,000.

3. What country YOU will be buying YOUR parts from.
Canada, that dollar tho.

4. IF you're buying parts OUTSIDE the US, please post a link to the vendor you'll be buying from.
We can't be expected to scour the internet on your behalf, chasing down deals in your specific country... Again, help us, help YOU.
I'll do the shopping 🙂

5. IF YOU have a brand preference. That means, are you an Intel-Fanboy, AMD-Fanboy, ATI-Fanboy, nVidia-Fanboy, Seagate-Fanboy, WD-Fanboy, etc.
Couldn't care less.

6. If YOU intend on using any of YOUR current parts, and if so, what those parts are.
Nope, all new baby.

7. IF YOU plan on overclocking or run the system at default speeds.
Nope.

8. What resolution, not monitor size, will you be using?
Also shopping for new monitors, so I'm not sure yet, some sort of dual monitor setup I think.

9. WHEN do you plan to build it?
Note that it is usually not cost or time effective to choose your build more than a month before you actually plan to be using it.
ASAP, main desktop just died last night.

10. Do you need to purchase any software to go with the system, such as Windows or Blu Ray playback software?
Nope.

One last detail, I am planning on going with an mini-ITX rig (going to be a big change from my current full-ATX tower lol). I value cases with a good design (always had Antec cases and they've never let me down, but I'm open to other brands). Thanks all! 🙂

**EDIT**: I don't need a huge SSD, something around 300GB should work (I have a NAS already). Also feel free to disagree or give any criticism if something seems unreasonable (e.g. no way to build something like this for the budget, or mini-ITX are unreliable, avoid them etc...Like I said, I've been out of the loop for awhile so I'm trying to play catch-up).
 
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So, you want to meet the Oculus Rift specs on a $1000CDN budget? That's not easy.
One last detail, I am planning on going with an mini-ITX rig (going to be a big change from my current full-ATX tower lol).
That makes it even harder. Are you sure you're not willing to go Micro-ATX? It's smaller than a full tower, but easier to work with and pay for. (I'm one to talk - I'm working on a mini-ITX rig. But my budget's bigger than yours, and I'm not aiming for such a powerful graphics card.)

Do you need the monitor in that $1000 budget too?
 
So, you want to meet the Oculus Rift specs on a $1000CDN budget? That's not easy.

That makes it even harder. Are you sure you're not willing to go Micro-ATX? It's smaller than a full tower, but easier to work with and pay for. (I'm one to talk - I'm working on a mini-ITX rig. But my budget's bigger than yours, and I'm not aiming for such a powerful graphics card.)

Do you need the monitor in that $1000 budget too?

Monitor will be in a separate budget, once I figure out exactly what I'm looking for. I wasn't 100% set on mini-ITX, I was just looking for the smallest footprint I can get away with. Thanks for the info on the minimum specs for the Oculus, didn't realize it basically needed a minimum $400 graphics card.

I'll revise my budget to basically the closet to $1000 I can get away with.
 
OK, here's the closest to $1000CDN I thought I could get away with:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($275.25 @ shopRBC)
Motherboard: *ASRock B150M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($98.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: *Crucial 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($53.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: *Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.05 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: *Sapphire Radeon R9 390 8GB Nitro Video Card ($379.88 @ Canada Computers)
Case: *Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($41.99 @ Canada Computers)
Power Supply: *Corsair CSM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ NCIX)
Optical Drive: *LG GH24NSC0 DVD/CD Writer ($17.95 @ Vuugo)
Total: $1076.59
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-16 12:38 EST-0500

You could get a previous-generation Haswell, but DDR3 may be hard to find in the future. You might find a cheaper, used R9 290 on Ebay or the For Sale/Trade forum.
 
OK, here's the closest to $1000CDN I thought I could get away with:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($275.25 @ shopRBC)
Motherboard: *ASRock B150M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($98.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: *Crucial 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($53.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: *Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.05 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: *Sapphire Radeon R9 390 8GB Nitro Video Card ($379.88 @ Canada Computers)
Case: *Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($41.99 @ Canada Computers)
Power Supply: *Corsair CSM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ NCIX)
Optical Drive: *LG GH24NSC0 DVD/CD Writer ($17.95 @ Vuugo)
Total: $1076.59
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-16 12:38 EST-0500

You could get a previous-generation Haswell, but DDR3 may be hard to find in the future. You might find a cheaper, used R9 290 on Ebay or the For Sale/Trade forum.

Heckava video card for "some gaming/nothing crazy", don't you think?
 
I agree with Ken, best to aim at mATX. Even a mid-ATX tower will seem small vs a full ATX tower. In the end, it will wind up costing you less than mITX, with less hassle.

Question: You mention no need for extra software... like an OS? Do you already have a transferrable OS license? That's the $100 question...
 
OK, here's the closest to $1000CDN I thought I could get away with:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($275.25 @ shopRBC)
Motherboard: *ASRock B150M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($98.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: *Crucial 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($53.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: *Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.05 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: *Sapphire Radeon R9 390 8GB Nitro Video Card ($379.88 @ Canada Computers)
Case: *Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($41.99 @ Canada Computers)
Power Supply: *Corsair CSM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ NCIX)
Optical Drive: *LG GH24NSC0 DVD/CD Writer ($17.95 @ Vuugo)
Total: $1076.59
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-16 12:38 EST-0500

You could get a previous-generation Haswell, but DDR3 may be hard to find in the future. You might find a cheaper, used R9 290 on Ebay or the For Sale/Trade forum.

CSM 650W is $140 on NCIX now. I'd go with EVGA 750 B2 $102 AP, it's better quality, has more power and 5 year warranty, but it's not as efficient.

I don't really see what the DVD drive is doing in a modern build, especially one that originally aimed at mini-ITX form factor.

I'd suggest buying a relatively low power GPU at first, then upgrade it to Pascal later when VR is properly released to market. At that point, the OP will have plenty of info on hand to make a decision whether VR is worth it to him. After all, swapping out the graphics card is a very simple upgrade.
 
I like Ken's build, but budget in some extra for shipping. Also, if you're looking at 2x4 GB now, I'd consider springing for a board with 4 slots to make an upgrade easier in the future.

Given your previous budget and your desire to look into VR some time in the future when prices drop, you might want to consider just skipping a GPU for now and seeing how things shake out. The integrated graphics on the new Skylake chips works quite well on less demanding games.

PCPartPicker part list /

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($282.50 @ shopRBC)
Motherboard: ASRock B150M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($98.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($58.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Crucial MX100 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($159.88 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Mushkin ECO2 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($185.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($52.25 @ Vuugo)
Power Supply: Corsair CSM 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $752.10
Total: $772.89

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-22 12:06 EST-0500

That keeps you in your original budget, and stretches to a 500GB class SSD (which is an awesome deal, BTW. You might want to snap that up now regardless). If you don't plan on playing new games at high settings any time soon, it would let you save the $250 and wait to see what happens with AMD and nVidia's new GPUs, how the VR headsets actually perform on different hardware, and (cross my fingers) hope the dollar improves.
 
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OK, here's the closest to $1000CDN I thought I could get away with:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($275.25 @ shopRBC)
Motherboard: *ASRock B150M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($98.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: *Crucial 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($53.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: *Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.05 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: *Sapphire Radeon R9 390 8GB Nitro Video Card ($379.88 @ Canada Computers)
Case: *Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($41.99 @ Canada Computers)
Power Supply: *Corsair CSM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ NCIX)
Optical Drive: *LG GH24NSC0 DVD/CD Writer ($17.95 @ Vuugo)
Total: $1076.59
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-16 12:38 EST-0500

You could get a previous-generation Haswell, but DDR3 may be hard to find in the future. You might find a cheaper, used R9 290 on Ebay or the For Sale/Trade forum.

Honestly, if the VR stuff is something he wants to try 'eventually', you simply buy the components listed above minus the VC and then buy the VC down the road when eventually comes along.
 
Really if you want to eventually go for VR, you might as well wait a few more months (summer) and get the next generation of graphics cards which are expected to be at least 60-80% higher performance.
 
I agree with Ken, best to aim at mATX. Even a mid-ATX tower will seem small vs a full ATX tower. In the end, it will wind up costing you less than mITX, with less hassle.

Question: You mention no need for extra software... like an OS? Do you already have a transferrable OS license? That's the $100 question...

Yup I do 🙂

mATX is a good call. Although an mid-ATX tower is definitely smaller than my full ATX, I'm really trying to go for as minimal as I get comfortably get away with.

For example: Corsair 240D http://www.corsair.com/en-ca/carbide-series-air-240-high-airflow-micro-atx-and-mini-itx-pc-case
Max GPU length: 290mm, when I look at a few GPU examples, this seems to fit pretty well anything (although please correct me if I'm wrong). It advertises that the airflow is good, although if anyone has experience with this, that would be fantastic. Also open to other suggestions.. 🙂
 
Thanks everyone, looks like the consensus is to wait on the VC, which I think is a great idea we get some hands-on experience.
 
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