Long Island man arreested for defending home with firearm

[spidey07]

Why does he even have an AK for home protection?

Magazine capacity, pretty good round, etc. A lot better to fight against a crowd of 20 than with a handgun or shotgun. With 20 angry gang members you have to treat them like zombies and choose the appropriate weapon.

 

[Narmer]

Magazine capacity, pretty good round, etc. A lot better to fight against a crowd of 20 than with a handgun or shotgun. With 20 angry gang members you have to treat them like zombies and choose the appropriate weapon.

I wrongly assumed that he only had one gun. Otherwise, it would be strange that he would've been preparing for this day for a long time. He could have many. But if he does then he should know how to properly defend his home.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

You're a fucking idiot. If you actually had any fucking contact with gang members (ever live in the inner city in the US?) you'd understand that gang culture is basically similar to that of a pack of wild dogs. Alpha leaders call the shots and the other underlings do their bidding because they are to cowardly or stupid to raise above and take over the gang. Gang members are followers not leaders, hence why they recruit young and naive kids to manipulate and one guy (or a group of guys) calls the shots.

Your comprehension skills are lacking, i'm talking about a war zone, not your little itty bitty gang land bullshiet.

Excuse me while i laugh a while at your ridiculous bullsheit... lol

Son, i grew up in Brixton.

 

[Narmer]

There is a cult following for AR-15's and AK's for home defense. A lot of guys prefer them over shotguns. If you load them with SP, HP, or frangible ammo they are quite effective for home defense.

But AKs need open space to be effective. This may be secondary but he could damage his home if he used it inside.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

There is a cult following for AR-15's and AK's for home defense. A lot of guys prefer them over shotguns. If you load them with SP, HP, or frangible ammo they are quite effective for home defense.

Yeah, if you live in a war zone, you'll need a gun.

If you live in a civilised nation though, you won't.

I suggest you move out of the war zone so you don't need to keep guns for home defense.

 

[nick1985]

But AKs need open space to be effective.

Not anymore than a shotgun

This may be secondary but he could damage his home if he used it inside.

That goes for any firearm. You would do much more damage with a shotgun.




***FYI***

I keep a shotgun for home defense

 

[nick1985]

I suggest you move out of the war zone so you don't need to keep guns for home defense.

http://www.wfsb.com/news/13736066/detail.html

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

But AKs need open space to be effective. This may be secondary but he could damage his home if he used it inside.

Any 5.56 is a close range weapon as well as a medium range weapon, with the right ammo it will do just fine.

I like the C8 CQB.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

http://www.wfsb.com/news/13736066/detail.html

See that would work if it was a common occurance or if the majority of the illegal weapons used in the US weren't originally legally purchased weapons.

But you know better than to get into this debate so let's quit it while we at least managed to agree on something... (see my post above).

 

[Narmer]

Not anymore than a shotgun




That goes for any firearm. You would do much more damage with a shotgun.




***FYI***

I keep a shotgun for home defense

Why a shotgun? Because it sprays? Also, isn't a handgun more effective in such close quarters (less chance of collateral damage)? How much training do you need on that to shoot as fast a handgun? Again, this may be secondary, what about the mess? A lot more blood/body parts when using a shotgun than a handgun.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Why a shotgun? Because it sprays? Also, isn't a handgun more effective in such close quarters (less chance of collateral damage)? How much training do you need on that to shoot as fast a handgun? Again, this may be secondary, what about the mess? A lot more blood/body parts when using a shotgun than a handgun.

Most people think it doesn't have any real penetration power so they keep it loaded with birdshot which will easily shoot through both one and two drywalls and kill people.

What you'd want is something that doesn't penetrate a body but leaves all the energy inside... like some sort of a ... i dunno... say a 7.62x51 round that is high powered enough to reach a target far away and stop once it hits a target without so much as leaving an exit wound...

 

[xj0hnx]

Shens...Let me shoot your ass with a .410 point blank range, lol. I may not be all that great, but I'll make damn sure you don't drive yourself to the hospital. LOL j/k

I wish it were shens ...



That was the second shot.

No shit, it'd be in the face and without eyes you are not going to drive anywhere.

First shot was to the lower left below my stomach, a doubled over and went down, the guy stepped up and pointed at my face, but I pulled my leg up and blocked the head shot, to bad for him it was a double barrel, got up and chased him, couldn't catch him so I jumped in his car, and drove to the nearest store to call the ambulance.

Why does he even have an AK for home protection?

What's wrong with an AK for the home? In an apartment maybe a bad idea, but a house not so much. I have a .223 SBR krinkov which is perfect for home defense, small firearm, light round combined with a short barrel to limit over penetration, and will tear you up if it hits you.

 

[xj0hnx]

See that would work if it was a common occurance

Crime happens everywhere, home invasions have been on the rise.

or if the majority of the illegal weapons used in the US weren't originally legally purchased weapons.

Proof?

But you know better than to get into this debate

I don't, let's go.

 

[Throckmorton]

JohnOfSheffield, you're missing the point with gun rights.

It's much more fundamental than even a Constitutional right. It's the right to self defense with the appropriate weapons and it exists regardless of any local laws or constitutions. Whether it was with a bronze sword in the Aegean in 1000BC, an iron claymore in Britannia in 50AD, an agricultural tool in 1820 on a Deep South plantation, or with a rifle in 2010 in New York, people have the basic right to defend themselves with force and the tools necessary to do so.

 

[nick1985]

Why a shotgun? Because it sprays?

Because it delivers a massive amount of firepower very quickly. I use an auto-loading shotgun.

I keep it loaded with 7 rounds of Centurion defense rounds.

6 buckshot + 1 .65 caliber ball

I can unload all 7 rounds before the first spent shell hits the ground. No handgun or rifle can produce that amount of firepower in that amount of time.

Also, isn't a handgun more effective in such close quarters (less chance of collateral damage)?

Eh...handgun rounds penetrate just as much as buckshot

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot1.htm

Roughly 8 sheets of drywall

How much training do you need on that to shoot as fast a handgun?

Thats my handgun. I have only shot it like 10 outings and I am pretty decent with it. I can rattle of rounds quickly, but the accuracy goes to shit. I could never produce the firepower with this as quickly as the shotgun. No way. Its fun to shoot though.

Again, this may be secondary, what about the mess? A lot more blood/body parts when using a shotgun than a handgun.

Not worried about this :awe:

 

[classy]

I have been looking at shotguns. I think I wanna hunt deer. I have picked out a crossbow I am going to buy for a Christmas gift for myself. You can hunt with a crossbow now in NJ. But I am not a gun guy for home protection and I know my wife will have a baby if I bring a gun in the house for any reason. But I know I can keep it my dads.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Your comprehension skills are lacking, i'm talking about a war zone, not your little itty bitty gang land bullshiet.

Excuse me while i laugh a while at your ridiculous bullsheit... lol

Son, i grew up in Brixton.

Hey douche bag this conversation (you know the thing that adults do in life) is about a man defending his home against 20 gang members. Keep up with it or get out because changing topics makes you look like a complete ass.

 

[nick1985]

I have been looking at shotguns. I think I wanna hunt deer. I have picked out a crossbow I am going to buy for a Christmas gift for myself. You can hunt with a crossbow now in NJ. But I am not a gun guy for home protection and I know my wife will have a baby if I bring a gun in the house for any reason. But I know I can keep it my dads.

What kind of budget are you looking at for the shotgun? For the cheap you can get an 870 with a rifled barrel for sabot slugs and you would be just fine.

 

[classy]

What kind of budget are you looking at for the shotgun? For the cheap you can get an 870 with a rifled barrel for sabot slugs and you would be just fine.

Now you know my story I am not a gun guy. But hunting has been a part of my family for years and I am a country boy. I will be going with a Barnett Bow. I like the new Commander Buck because its has a dry fire system. I have been looking at Benilli. I think a newbie like me would do better with an auto loading. I am not a big man but muscular 5'10 195, thick chest 17+ guns and I have decent lower body size.

So I don't want something that will break my shoulder but I got a frame I think can handle something with some punch. I know I ain't going to be allowed to keep it here, lol. I am going to hear enough with the bow. But when I would hunt anyway I would go out in the fields near my dad's house anyway. My grandpop always hunted bucks with regular buck shot. He was a serious gun nutt, lol. That old man had an f'in arsenal and grandmom could throw down with the 38, trust me.

I figure learning to hunt would be good. I may have to kill my food in 2012 .

 

[nick1985]

Hunting bucks with buckshot is outdated. Slug technology and rifled barrels have taken over.

Benelli is a great manufacturer, although I would argue a pump is MUCH more noob friendly than an auto. More can go wrong with an auto. I'd look into a Benelli Nova if thats the brand you want. For the price range I would also look into Beretta offerings too

http://www.benelliusa.com/shotguns/benelli_nova_pump_field.php


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I have used a Benelli nova auto before for clay pigeon shooting and it was fine. A few shells stovepiped on me but I think it was the cheap target load ammo wasn't powerful enough to cycle completely.

 

[Kirby]

Bah, get a real Beretta shotgun.

http://www.berettausa.com/products/so-10/

 

[ShawnD1]

I often laugh about these threads how this or that is not enough, point blank, pretty much everything is enough.

You need a more powerful gun so it kills things faster. A BB might kill someone if it's left in them and it gets infected over course of a week or two. A 9mm might damage an organ and the guy dies in 1 hour. A 0.308 will rip a huge hole through the person and they drop immediately.

That's actually a major concern when hunting. If you use a gun that is too small, the animal you shot will die but you don't get to take it home because you have no idea where it went. If you use the proper size bullets, the animal will drop down without running away.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RlHnRlhYJw

I figure learning to hunt would be good. I may have to kill my food in 2012

That doesn't mean killing wild animals at long range. Kill your neighbor and take his food. Then sleep with his wife. Rawr.

 

[nick1985]

Most people think it doesn't have any real penetration power so they keep it loaded with birdshot which will easily shoot through both one and two drywalls and kill people.

Birdshot is worthless

"We have done tests with various birdshot loads. Birdshot penetrated through two pieces of drywall (representing one wall) and was stopped in the paper on the front of the second wall. The problem with birdshot is that it does not penetrate enough to be effective as a defense round. Birdshot is designed to bring down little birds."

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3_2.htm

 

[Orignal Earl]

Hunting bucks with buckshot is outdated. Slug technology and rifled barrels have taken over.

Benelli is a great manufacturer, although I would argue a pump is MUCH more noob friendly than an auto. More can go wrong with an auto. I'd look into a Benelli Nova if thats the brand you want. For the price range I would also look into Beretta offerings too

http://www.benelliusa.com/shotguns/benelli_nova_pump_field.php


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I have used a Benelli nova auto before for clay pigeon shooting and it was fine. A few shells stovepiped on me but I think it was the cheap target load ammo wasn't powerful enough to cycle completely.

Lol at a shotgun for hunting deer. That's just as silly as the picture of kid in the link with a scope mounted on his.
But hey, sure looks cool, and that's what it's all about right?

 

[nick1985]

Lol at a shotgun for hunting deer. That's just as silly as the picture of kid in the link with a scope mounted on his.
But hey, sure looks cool, and that's what it's all about right?

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090728151053AAd01b6


Do you have any idea of the accuracy of a shotgun at 100 yards? 200 yards? I'm going to guess you have no fucking clue.